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That sounds like fanfiction. What happened to the good Scarlet Spider I remembered where he just raged at Houston for being garbage?
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Someone decided we needed Ben Reilly to come back. I mean, in the interests of fairness someone decided that Kaine should come back and get his own series and that turned out pretty great. But swing and a miss this time.
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Sep 14, 2017 17:53
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Archyduke posted:Gurihiru are a really talented team, too. It's one of those books where the writing really does shine but the bloom goes off the rose a little when it's an art fill-in. See Adrian Alphona on Runaways or, uh, Adrian Alphona on Ms. Marvel, or Erica Henderson on Squirrel Girl. It's just a great book to look at, and I feel like in the last few issues in particular they've done some super fun and clever layout stuff that amplifies the meta stuff without, I don't know, stepping on Chris Hastings' toes I guess? Hastings probably storyboards things really well, because he drew all of Dr. McNinja.
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Sep 14, 2017 18:21
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Writers who are also artists are always the best at scripting with art in mind. For example, Alan Moore and Grant Morrison. Then again, Bendis is an artist too, but his idiosyncratic style sometimes doesn't always serve the particular artists he works with on his big superhero books that well. It does extremely well when he's working with someone who meshes with that though.
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Sep 14, 2017 18:37
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Nilbop posted:That sounds like fanfiction. What happened to the good Scarlet Spider I remembered where he just raged at Houston for being garbage? If they wanted to do another comic set in Houston, it would have to star Namor.
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Sep 14, 2017 18:40
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More Kaine, no more Ben Reilly. Fans got monkey pawed like a mofo on that trade.
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Sep 14, 2017 20:14
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Yeah, I went through a real rise and fall of hope reading that spoiler and thinking for a second that Ben Reilly would explode and suddenly Scarlet Spider would be Kaine's book again.
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Sep 14, 2017 20:32
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ImpAtom posted:Gwenpool is a super meta book but it's the rare super meta book that actually feels heartfelt and honest and I appreciate it for that. It also helps that her supporting cast are pretty great. Batroc was a nice commentary on how long-standing characters might retread the same stories again and again, but it still matters and it's not pointless. Mega Tony is like "what if Peter Parker never got his spider powers and the confidence boost, and had to deal with student college loans?" and looks cute and cuddly. And Terrible Eye is just amazing. 
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Sep 14, 2017 20:42
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KaosMachina posted:So, the only thing you need to know about Ben Reiley: Scarlet Spider this week is that it ends on a nearly literal deus ex machina. Honestly to me it felt like Peter David making the best of an editorially-mandated situation (i.e. Ben Reilly's return) while bringing in stuff he was doing back on Captain Marvel (RIP Genis-Vell).
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Sep 14, 2017 21:23
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I'm not sure how anything in that synopsis sounds like something editorial would mandate.
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Sep 14, 2017 21:32
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amigolupus posted:It also helps that her supporting cast are pretty great. Batroc was a nice commentary on how long-standing characters might retread the same stories again and again, but it still matters and it's not pointless. Mega Tony is like "what if Peter Parker never got his spider powers and the confidence boost, and had to deal with student college loans?" and looks cute and cuddly. Terrible Eye is no poo poo the character I want to remain around for a long time.
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Sep 14, 2017 22:09
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TFRazorsaw posted:I'm not sure how anything in that synopsis sounds like something editorial would mandate. No, I'm saying that since editorial said "write Ben Reilly" Peter David sat down and thought a bit and then went hey wait a second I had Rick Jones' wife turn out to be an avatar of Death for a while there, didn't I? Lemme see what I can do with that. Like, it might still suck, but at least it sucks as a logical extension of his past stories and not just from out of nowhere, is my point.
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Sep 14, 2017 22:16
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oh. I misunderstood you, sorry.
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Sep 14, 2017 22:18
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So, about those December solicits: AVENGERS #674 WORLDS COLLIDE Part 5 • As Earth and Counter-Earth begin to approach one another, the Avengers/Champions team must find some way to avert dual global catastrophes! Rated T+ CHAMPIONS #15 WORLDS COLLIDE Part 6 • The Champions/Avengers team faces its first real casualty in their ongoing struggle to prevent two planets from colliding - and that fatality changes the game! • The conclusion of WORLDS COLLIDE! Rated T+ ...Didn't we JUST do this?
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Sep 14, 2017 23:45
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Martinpale posted:So, about those December solicits: Ideas! Ideas! We need to find more ideas! Ah, this one looks good...*redoes Secret Wars*
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Sep 14, 2017 23:46
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Apparently Mark Waid is dropping off, and a new writer is taking over at 675. I think it's probably Jason Aaron.
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Sep 14, 2017 23:52
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I'm good with that. There's nothing too memorable about Waid's run for me.
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Sep 15, 2017 00:24
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ImpAtom posted:Terrible Eye is no poo poo the character I want to remain around for a long time. I absolutely adore Terrible Eye and want her to become a mainstay. She and Nico can go to Goth night together, and Wanda and her can bond over your powers making you kinda nuts. Man, I loved pre CW2 Avengers, and was sad it never captured that magic again. So when will Gwenpool start crossing over with Squirrel Girl? That seems like a match made in heaven. Plus if I was trying to find out how to be real hero, Doreen would be my first choice of mentor.
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Sep 15, 2017 00:35
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I no lie want to see Terrible Eye's Sorcerer Supreme What If book.
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Sep 15, 2017 01:31
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KaosMachina posted:Didn't the Red Skull also have Cap's body for a while? So even that's not that original? While that was a clone, there's always The Grand Director for your "Steve Rogers, star of actual Captain America comics, is now a Neo-Nazi ally of Dr. Faustus" needs. So you're right that it's not that original either way. I mean, sure, thanks to a retcon that's a different guy named Willaim Burnside who is identical and legally changed his name rather than the original Steve, but hey. I sort of want Burnside and HydraCap to have to deal with one another now. It should definitely be some sort of buddy cop comedy though.
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Sep 15, 2017 06:26
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Zoro posted:Ideas! Ideas! We need to find more ideas! Ah, this one looks good...*redoes Secret Wars* I would 100% be down for Marvel to be just like 'gently caress it, let's just bring back Mapmakers and Ivory Kings and Black Priests' and make all their books push for more cosmic poo poo. Also make Ultimates 2 their main title and/or make Galactus' cosmic squad the main focus.
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Sep 15, 2017 08:16
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That would require Marvel to make good decisions for their big events, and their focal titles, which you cannot argue they have had a poor track record since Secret Wars 2 Edit: I forgot it's actually Secret Wars 3 since there was an event called Secret Wars 2 already
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Sep 15, 2017 11:02
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The best crossover events of the past 15 years or so were Secret Wars by Hickman and Annihilation because those are the ones where the good guys fought the bad guys instead of turning bad themselves or fighting each other.
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Sep 15, 2017 11:24
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Wheat Loaf posted:The best crossover events of the past 15 years or so were Secret Wars by Hickman and Annihilation because those are the ones where the good guys fought the bad guys instead of turning bad themselves or fighting each other. Doom has done nothing more than save whatever universes are left from the destruction of the multiverse. Stories of Doom being an usurper of power and being secretly evil are nothing more than slander propagated by the accursed Richards. 
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Sep 15, 2017 11:45
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KaosMachina posted:That would require Marvel to make good decisions for their big events, and their focal titles, which you cannot argue they have had a poor track record since Secret Wars 2 And there was a Secret Wars 3 (it was a story arc in the Fantastic Four.) So it should be Secret Wars 4: The Quest for Peace.
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Sep 15, 2017 12:41
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Secret Wars 4 : this one's actually quite good
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Sep 15, 2017 13:06
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Any book with Doom as the real hero is good.
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Sep 15, 2017 13:52
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The other Earth in the crossover is probably counter Earth since the High Evolutionary is involved.
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Sep 15, 2017 15:30
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The Question IRL posted:And there was a Secret Wars 3 (it was a story arc in the Fantastic Four.) There was also that mini where fury hired wolverine, spidey, and....some a couple of other guys to covertly sneak into dooms castle for something and then there was some fallout if some kind (memory is super vague) that was also called Secret Wars. (and for some reason Fury's idea of stealth superheroes is the same exact costume but in all black) So it's Secret Wars part V: A New Beginning?
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Sep 15, 2017 16:22
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That was actually just Secret War, singular.
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Sep 15, 2017 16:32
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I love that Secret Wars is just a consistently meaningless term made by putting the two most popular words for twelve-year-old boys together. No real hiding, and most fights are just slightly larger than average. Or powerful people talking. Even if there is a war, it's mostly off panel. BTW the fallout for Secret War was Nick Fury going in to hiding, which made his job in Secret Invasion more complicated.
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Sep 15, 2017 16:48
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Zoro posted:Ideas! Ideas! We need to find more ideas! Ah, this one looks good...*redoes Secret Wars* It's kinda funny cuz that's what secret empire was. Two intertwining stories, one featuring a secret cabal trying to cause world altering events, combine into a major event where the bad guy takes over and makes the world/country how he wants it. The final showdown happens because the physical manifestation of a reality manipulating power decides to place the bad guy on equal footing as the good guy
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Sep 15, 2017 16:56
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So what is the post-Secret Empire marvel canon? It is still in the books that the US lost WW2 and rewrote reality? And that cap truly was a hydra agent this entire time?
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:So what is the post-Secret Empire marvel canon? It is still in the books that the US lost WW2 and rewrote reality? And that cap truly was a hydra agent this entire time? Some people believe that and thats all that really matters.
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Sep 15, 2017 17:08
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Wheat Loaf posted:The best crossover events of the past 15 years or so were Secret Wars by Hickman and Annihilation because those are the ones where the good guys fought the bad guys instead of turning bad themselves or fighting each other. I guess technically but wasn't a huge chunk of the lead-in to Secret Wars about the Illuminati becoming increasingly more and more morally compromised, and wasn't, like, the last page before reality was remade Captain America and Iron Man murdering each other? It's been awhile but I feel like your description more accurately describes Infinity-- it's been awhile but I recall it being a pretty unambiguous war against unambiguously bad bad guys, without a ton of conflicts among the superheroes themselves.
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Sep 15, 2017 17:49
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Mr. Maltose posted:That was actually just Secret War, singular. I'm just so tired of all these Secret Wars.
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Sep 15, 2017 18:05
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Open Marriage Night posted:The other Earth in the crossover is probably counter Earth since the High Evolutionary is involved. Marvel solicitation copy posted:AVENGERS #674 BetterToRuleInHell posted:So what is the post-Secret Empire marvel canon? It is still in the books that the US lost WW2 and rewrote reality? And that cap truly was a hydra agent this entire time? quote:Now, if you’re loyal to Hydra, you believe that this world was stolen from you. You believe that your side won World War II, that you were on the verge of taking over the world, and the allies used the Cosmic Cube to change history. Also Scarlet Spider is hilarious.
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Sep 15, 2017 18:14
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Archyduke posted:I guess technically but wasn't a huge chunk of the lead-in to Secret Wars about the Illuminati becoming increasingly more and more morally compromised, and wasn't, like, the last page before reality was remade Captain America and Iron Man murdering each other? All the super heroes teamed up at the end of both Avengers and New Avengers, except Steve and Tony. Hell, even Thanos and Mr. Sinister pitched in to fight Doom at the very end.
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Sep 15, 2017 18:18
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:So what is the post-Secret Empire marvel canon? It is still in the books that the US lost WW2 and rewrote reality? And that cap truly was a hydra agent this entire time? If i actually parsed the story correctly, which since it's such a fuckin' mess i might've not, that rewrite was never earth-wide. That was only what kobik made Steve believe had happened, and when he became dictator of the us he basically pushed that lie through propaganda and miseducation (like in se1 where the kid asks why they were taught one thing last year but now they're being taught this other thing). The omega issue was naziCap basically saying that it may have been a lie to everyone other than him but Nazis will run with that story regardless because it fuels their narrative
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site posted:If i actually parsed the story correctly, which since it's such a fuckin' mess i might've not, that rewrite was never earth-wide. That was only what kobik made Steve believe had happened, and when he became dictator of the us he basically pushed that lie through propaganda and miseducation (like in se1 where the kid asks why they were taught one thing last year but now they're being taught this other thing). Can we just get that giant hollow missile bullet from Breakworld, stuff NazSteve in there and shoot it off to either the Sun or the CancerVerse and just do what Marvel does best and forget lovely events happened? I'd even be okay with just to Poochi him out of existing.
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