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Solkanar512 posted:Dude, chill. I was at work and didn't want to look anything up lest it be really bad.
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coyo7e posted:defensive much? lol, go have a panic attack about dams or something
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I'm a member of the 'free cascadia' group on facebook, but also a dues paying member of the CascadiaNow non profit. From what I gather most true believers in cascadia don't really even think of it as a state, they are hippies who see it as a bioregion. They want the area decolonized, but it's hard to discern exactly what that means or if they have any solid steps towards doing it. After the election I went to some meetings just to be around some likeminded people, and while there was potential to get some good community organizing going on, the movement as a whole has very little direction, which is too bad. The guy who designed the flag is a guy named Alexander who is very serious about the idea of it being a bioregion. In my opinion he kind of has hijacked the idea to be his own, which he can do mostly because he designed the flag. However, as we've seen, there are alt-right groups that are trying to hijack the idea of cascadia and make it about hate. If you see any kind of imagery trying to connect cascaida to hate, I think the right thing to do would be tear it down. They've been putting up posters for years, and all it does is further alienate the rest of us that simply don't feel culturally attached to the rest of the US.
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Welcome to GBS posted:I'm a member of the 'free cascadia' group on facebook, but also a dues paying member of the CascadiaNow non profit. From what I gather most true believers in cascadia don't really even think of it as a state, they are hippies who see it as a bioregion. They want the area decolonized, but it's hard to discern exactly what that means or if they have any solid steps towards doing it. After the election I went to some meetings just to be around some likeminded people, and while there was potential to get some good community organizing going on, the movement as a whole has very little direction, which is too bad. The guy who designed the flag is a guy named Alexander who is very serious about the idea of it being a bioregion. In my opinion he kind of has hijacked the idea to be his own, which he can do mostly because he designed the flag.
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Nazis have a lot of experience attempting to set up autonomous zones for themselves. That they're the only other group really trying should give you some pause. As crazy and idiotic as they are, they are also a lot more serious and firm on the details, which makes it easy for them to infect and overrun the Cascadia movement. Likely the only reason they haven't is because there's little Neo-Nazi interest in building a race commune in the shadow of liberal, moral relativist Seattle. Well, that and there's probably not much there to actually overrun.
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anthonypants posted:It sounds like what you're describing is xenophobia ("the rest of us that simply don't feel culturally attached to the rest of the US" really gives it away), and it shouldn't be surprising that nazis would try to co-opt that movement. Oh yeah, feeling more culturally attached to my homeland should definitely be equated to feeling culturally attached to the third reich. Maybe the reason Nazis haven't had any success taking over the cascadia movement is because it's really not that difficult to tell the difference between love and hate for anyone who isn't trump voter levels of stupid.
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Cascadia is a cool name for a chill region like the PNW and it doesn't deserve to be co-opted by racists. There was a time I believed the PNW could secede and bring a more progressive government, but since bernie ran for president, it seems the US is opening up to socialism in general. While I still think it would've been cool to do our own thing, it's irresponsible to leave our newly woke US comrades behind.
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A lot of the Cascadia poo poo that I saw was really big during the Bush administration and revolved around progressives supporting environmentalism and opposing foreign wars. The people who I know now who are still involved in the [very low key] movement are white liberals opposed to racial injustice and were pretty active in BLM actions around Seattle. Not all secessionist movements are racist/xenophobic.
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marxismftw posted:A lot of the Cascadia poo poo that I saw was really big during the Bush administration and revolved around progressives supporting environmentalism and opposing foreign wars. The people who I know now who are still involved in the [very low key] movement are white liberals opposed to racial injustice and were pretty active in BLM actions around Seattle. Not all secessionist movements are racist/xenophobic. If they don't center the indigenous people, they are.
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SyHopeful posted:If they don't center the indigenous people, they are. My body is ready for the Great Ghost Dance.
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^^^YES Some good news out of Everett quote:In a legal blow for Stamford’s Purdue Pharma, a federal judge has ruled that the city of Everett, Washington, may proceed with claims that the OxyContin maker allowed large quantities of the opioid painkiller to enter the black market, contributing to an addiction crisis in the city. Seattle Times link Frankly I think this is great and I hope it opens the door for more affected areas to get the resources needed to properly deal with these issues - squeeze them loving dry. Anyone know why Everett seems to be the only municipality taking this route?
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Thanatosian posted:As a progressive, I think it's something we should definitely talk about. We're getting hosed over at a national level because of systemic obstacles, and we're not going to see any change in that unless we start leveraging what few options we have, secession being one of them. You can't secede and if you were somehow able to you'd immediately have to go to war with Oregon and Idaho. California would crush whoever was left. Fix the boat, because there isn't another one to flee to.
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Relevant Tangent posted:You can't secede and if you were somehow able to you'd immediately have to go to war with Oregon and Idaho. California would crush whoever was left. Fix the boat, because there isn't another one to flee to. Who said anything about going it alone? California's getting hosed even harder than we are.
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You'll trade rule from DC for rule by California. You'll also have unfriendly neighbors on every side and domestic rebellion. Good luck maintaining the PNW attitude when you have to have a standing army.
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Sep 28, 2017 08:12
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Relevant Tangent posted:You'll trade rule from DC for rule by California. You'll also have unfriendly neighbors on every side and domestic rebellion. Good luck maintaining the PNW attitude when you have to have a standing army. If we're going to make wild statements of fantasy can they at least be coherent enough to be fun? Like maybe the space needle is the antenna for the Black Omen.
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The Canadian border isn't going to be open to a seceded Washington state. They need the US (what's left) happy with them way more than they need you. Whoever burned down the Pullman Planned Parenthood is a domestic terrorist, but instead of the FBI you'll have the vast resources of the State Police trying to catch them. Idaho will turn the Columbia black strictly out of spite. You think Oregon wouldn't put up a border checkpoint specifically to gently caress everyone in Vancouver? You'd be a pariah state.
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Sep 28, 2017 08:30
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It's not progressive to give up because politics is hard and you're tired so you're looking for an easy way out.
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Relevant Tangent posted:You think Oregon wouldn't put up a border checkpoint specifically to gently caress everyone in Vancouver? I'm ok with this though.
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So some Portland sewer workers have turned to the Freedom Foundation in a dispute with their union because apparently their local isn't representing them well enough. The guy behind it speaks up in the comments. http://www.wweek.com/news/city/2017...sters-for-help/
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Holy poo poo that is stupid and vile.
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Just do a dues strike, guys.
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I'm guessing their dues are automatically deducted from their paychecks like mine are, but of course there's a way around that. Bunch of loving traitors. People died for their union rights and instead of fighting to get what they deserve they're making sure nobody gets it.
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George posted:I'm guessing their dues are automatically deducted from their paychecks like mine are, but of course there's a way around that. Yeah going straight and enlisting a boogeyman seems really short-sighted in response to being underpaid for a year's contract.
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Solkanar512 posted:^^^YES Well, there you go: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/washington-state-ag-bob-ferguson-seattle-sue-oxycontin-maker-over-opioid-deaths quote:Washington Attorney General Bob Ferguson on Thursday filed a lawsuit against pharmaceutical giant Purdue Pharma, accusing the company of fueling the state’s ongoing opioid epidemic. There are quite a few similar lawsuits in other states as well, I believe.
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https://twitter.com/KEZI9/status/912874450810437632 Also, Portland is going to sue* Monsanto for dumping chemicals into waterways. *lmao no loving way
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Relevant Tangent posted:It's not progressive to give up because politics is hard and you're tired so you're looking for an easy way out. I'm not saying "let's just get out and gently caress the po-lice and then everything is going to be unicorns and rainbows." I'm saying that the current situation is a pretty hellacious, and that we ("we" in this case being "the West Coast") are being pretty severely disenfranchised, and far from that continuing or being mitigated, the people in power are doing their best to make that worse. That being said, I don't see more traditional means of influence bringing about any of the systemic change that would be necessary to bring an end to said disenfranchisement. Secession would be a complete loving poo poo show, but on the other hand, "just relax and let it happen" is also a complete loving poo poo show. Threatening secession is one of the only leverage points we have to drive that sort of systemic change. Not that it's going to happen, anyhow, but a man can dream.
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Relevant Tangent posted:It's not progressive to give up because politics is hard and you're tired so you're looking for an easy way out. no, you don't understand, when the disenfranchisement watermark hits white males that means it's finally time to burn everything to the ground because.............. uh i've been uncomfortable for the last six months??? I don't know.
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmWelcome to GBS posted:Maybe the reason Nazis haven't had any success taking over the cascadia movement is because it's really not that difficult to tell the difference between love and hate for anyone who isn't trump voter levels of stupid.
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:no, you don't understand, when the disenfranchisement watermark hits white males that means it's finally time to burn everything to the ground because.............. uh i've been uncomfortable for the last six months??? I don't know. And if I were only concerned with the disenfranchisement of white dudes, I'd be cheering on the current administration. They're hyper-enfranchising white dudes, at the expense of just about everyone else.
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Thanatosian posted:And if I were only concerned with the disenfranchisement of white dudes, I'd be cheering on the current administration. They're hyper-enfranchising white dudes, at the expense of just about everyone else. interesting that the influx of calls for secession are happening now despite this being the unofficial playbook for the US since its inception 🤔 I'll make an attempt at putting what I (and others) have been insinuating in much more clear terms for you; every single item in your list of frustrations has been happening consistently for decades, if not longer. The fact that it is seemingly no longer acceptable for left-leaning people to ignore the plights of the disenfranchised means that there should be a significant push to affect changes to rectify the system. Advocating for secession is the political equivalent of taking your ball and going home and we've been pointing and laughing at the dipshits in Texas who have been doing the same thing, I don't understand why this situation is notably different. If you think for more than a second that the creation of some PNW nation would in any way solve any of the terrible issues going on nation-wide I will again point you to the vote maps I posted and ask what The United States of Cascadia looks like once you get more than 20 miles outside of Seattle and/or Portland. IM DAY DAY IRL fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Sep 29, 2017 |
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lol at the guy who wasn't born in the PNW that wants to succeed from the USA. Go back home and advocate your dumb policies there.
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:interesting that the influx of calls for secession are happening now despite this being the unofficial playbook for the US since its inception 🤔 But hey, if you've got better ideas, other than "poo poo sucked before now, so if we try to change it now, it's somehow hypocritical," I'm certainly open to them. Peachfart posted:lol at the guy who wasn't born in the PNW that wants to succeed from the USA. But hey, don't worry, every time someone says this poo poo to me, I call one of my California friends and encourage them to move up here. It's worked several times now. Ham Equity fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Sep 29, 2017 |
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Thanatosian posted:But I don't think we get their without some sort of game-changer, and the threat of secession seems like not the worst idea. interesting, I believe this is similar to the train of thinking that currently has the President in a political stalemate with North Korea. Thanatosian posted:And I don't really see what point you're trying to make with your maps, other than the few people who live outside of the cities are red, I guess? The point I'm trying to make is that the core of the PNW region (plus the states in this thread's poll) are far from being completely out of line with the current administration's goals and values. Thanatosian posted:But hey, if you've got better ideas, other than "poo poo sucked before now, so if we try to change it now, it's somehow hypocritical," I'm certainly open to them. my "idea" is that I recommend taking radical and entirely unrealistic nuclear options out of your repertoire of political advocacy if you ever want to be taken seriously. I ask that you consider my plea, thank you for your time.
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:interesting, I believe this is similar to the train of thinking that currently has the President in a political stalemate with North Korea. This doesn't track... IM DAY DAY IRL posted:The point I'm trying to make is that the core of the PNW region (plus the states in this thread's poll) are far from being completely out of line with the current administration's goals and values. I think people are just in constant denial that a large portion of Americans, even those who live a short drive away, like Trump and what he's saying and doing. There is no part of this country that is overwhelmingly progressive. IM DAY DAY IRL posted:my "idea" is that I recommend taking radical and entirely unrealistic nuclear options out of your repertoire of political advocacy if you ever want to be taken seriously. I ask that you consider my plea, thank you for your time. I think what Bernie and Trump showed us is that "radical" ideas are popular, and the way to push for real change is to make big bets. My biggest problem with Obama was his dedication to bipartisan politics, Republicans continued to vote the way they've voted for ages and even when the Democrats had the power to really shoot for the stars they did nothing with it. Essentially everything stayed the same or got marginally better for a small fraction of Americans. Growing up as a minority in Arizona I feel really lucky to live in Seattle, it's like living in a different country. But this "liberal utopia" isn't really much different, maybe I get pulled over way less and people are surprised that I speak Spanish. Other than the surface level stuff there's still a lot of systemic racism and a lot of hushed voices when talking about certain neighborhoods, I'm sure if I lived in the seedier parts of Seattle and surrounding areas it wouldn't be much different than Arizona. Certainly less people calling me a wetback and stuff, but people still use dog whistle language here a lot. I think if you care at all about minorities and how they're treated in society you would be advocating for more radical ideas.
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Thanatosian posted:
'The geographic lottery', lol
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Peachfart posted:lol at the guy who wasn't born in the PNW that wants to succeed from the USA. I didn't know he was a transplant. That explains a lot of the ignorance.
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What I don't understand is this "threat of secession". What power to you think that actually holds? I don't believe anyone anywhere would take it seriously. It has absolutely no weight.
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Solkanar512 posted:Land doesn't vote my dude. poo poo, next time I'll make sure to include the total vote counts that shows hillary holding a rock-solid 48.8% of the region's vote (and less than of a 9 point lead on trump) Soarer posted:What I don't understand is this "threat of secession". What power to you think that actually holds? I don't believe anyone anywhere would take it seriously. It has absolutely no weight. please do not downplay the importance of conservative's ability to weaponize extreme viewpoints to further drive a political wedge between progressives and, well, the rest of the world
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