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Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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At least Niles starts bleeding from his face whenever he lies or feels conflicted. Just like a normal person.

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Maris

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Oct 30, 2009

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My duck a'lorange! RUINED!!

Not a Children
Oct 9, 2012

Don't need a holster if you never stop shooting.

There are literally zero physical therapists that would take the kind of poo poo that is thrown at Daphne

Like, their starting wage is in the 70s to work at a local practice, to have an experienced one literally on retainer and making you meals would be absurdly expensive, if they'd put up with it at all

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

Solice Kirsk posted:

I liked Mel too. She wasn't like Maris. She cared about Niles and was no where near as snippy as everyone else in the show, but they all aced like she was this horrible garbage monster because she suggested that Niles could be cork master (a stupid thing to begin with). Even the episode the used to establish she was a bitch they just skipped over everything and just had the main cast tear into her after the time skip.

you've said this a few times in this thread and it's just so boneheadedly stupidly wrong it's amazing

mel is, literally from the first scene she's introduced in, a condescending control freak who browbeats niles into getting unnecessary cosmetic surgery. she didn't give two shits about niles, she cared about his status, hence the whole toastmaster thing. she has zero redeeming qualities and the fact that she's the victim of the rest of the cast being lovely to her doesn't magically make her a good person.

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:

Not a Children posted:

There are literally zero physical therapists that would take the kind of poo poo that is thrown at Daphne

Like, their starting wage is in the 70s to work at a local practice, to have an experienced one literally on retainer and making you meals would be absurdly expensive, if they'd put up with it at all

I mean you can probably make the argument that since she was an immigrant alien she needed the job and working with the Cranes in an enormous luxurious apartment in the heart of Seattle with a job that wasn't demanding at all and with her eventually just fitting in so well with the family was just too attractive to let go

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:
Also she manages to browbeat a sports convertible out of Frasier

GolfHole
Feb 26, 2004

Calaveron posted:

I mean you can probably make the argument that since she was an immigrant alien she needed the job and working with the Cranes in an enormous luxurious apartment in the heart of Seattle with a job that wasn't demanding at all and with her eventually just fitting in so well with the family was just too attractive to let go

even without niles daphne probably is a millionaire

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Calaveron posted:

I mean you can probably make the argument that since she was an immigrant alien she needed the job and working with the Cranes in an enormous luxurious apartment in the heart of Seattle with a job that wasn't demanding at all and with her eventually just fitting in so well with the family was just too attractive to let go

I always mildly wondered if a physical therapist met the requirements for a work visa in the USA.

SEX BURRITO
Jun 30, 2007

Not much fun
I always wondered how Frasier could afford live in help with his part time radio job.

spog posted:

I always mildly wondered if a physical therapist met the requirements for a work visa in the USA.

I can maybe believe she got lucky and got a visa, but how did her mother manage to stay in the country?

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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food court bailiff posted:

you've said this a few times in this thread and it's just so boneheadedly stupidly wrong it's amazing

mel is, literally from the first scene she's introduced in, a condescending control freak who browbeats niles into getting unnecessary cosmetic surgery. she didn't give two shits about niles, she cared about his status, hence the whole toastmaster thing. she has zero redeeming qualities and the fact that she's the victim of the rest of the cast being lovely to her doesn't magically make her a good person.

Remember that speech she told Daphne about wanting to be that special person for Niles and how he could be anything he wanted if he just had someone he could trust? Or how she turned down $1mil dollars from Maris to stop seeing him? Sure she was stuck up, but no more than the rest of the cast. The only difference is that they didn't tell the audience to laugh when she asked Daphne to answer the door or get coffee. Maris was a horrible monster to Niles, Mel was an upgrade, and the fact that she didn't have Daphne's relatives meant she was a net positive to the show. She was already a higher status than him, so qualm is not really true. And Niles is the idiot that decided that cosmetic surgery was the best way to ask a woman out, not her. She didn't browbeat him into anything. The only real sticking point is the cork master thing, and that's literally getting mad at her for wanting something good for her significant other.

And she went on to become a wise crackin' coroner in South Dakota.

edit:
Not to mention once they got rid of her they had to morph Niles and Daphne into these weird idiots in order to make their relationship work. The show would have been better if it ended with Daphne marrying Donny and both of them realizing that their fantasy crush was just a fantasy.

Solice Kirsk fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Oct 3, 2017

Not a Children
Oct 9, 2012

Don't need a holster if you never stop shooting.

Solice Kirsk posted:

Remember that speech she told Daphne about wanting to be that special person for Niles and how he could be anything he wanted if he just had someone he could trust? Or how she turned down $1mil dollars from Maris to stop seeing him? Sure she was stuck up, but no more than the rest of the cast. The only difference is that they didn't tell the audience to laugh when she asked Daphne to answer the door or get coffee. Maris was a horrible monster to Niles, Mel was an upgrade, and the fact that she didn't have Daphne's relatives meant she was a net positive to the show. She was already a higher status than him, so qualm is not really true. And Niles is the idiot that decided that cosmetic surgery was the best way to ask a woman out, not her. She didn't browbeat him into anything. The only real sticking point is the cork master thing, and that's literally getting mad at her for wanting something good for her significant other.

And she went on to become a wise crackin' coroner in South Dakota.

edit:
Not to mention once they got rid of her they had to morph Niles and Daphne into these weird idiots in order to make their relationship work. The show would have been better if it ended with Daphne marrying Donny and both of them realizing that their fantasy crush was just a fantasy.

As someone who is watching this for the first time, it's kind of amazing how the show attempts to contort itself to make Niles/Daph look like not terrible people for what they did. Season 8 is a serious dip in quality for the existence that dynamic alone, besides the ham-handedness of it all

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Mr. Chump

feigning interest
Jun 22, 2007

I just hate seeing anything go to waste.

Solice Kirsk posted:

Remember that speech she told Daphne about wanting to be that special person for Niles and how he could be anything he wanted if he just had someone he could trust? Or how she turned down $1mil dollars from Maris to stop seeing him? Sure she was stuck up, but no more than the rest of the cast. The only difference is that they didn't tell the audience to laugh when she asked Daphne to answer the door or get coffee. Maris was a horrible monster to Niles, Mel was an upgrade, and the fact that she didn't have Daphne's relatives meant she was a net positive to the show. She was already a higher status than him, so qualm is not really true. And Niles is the idiot that decided that cosmetic surgery was the best way to ask a woman out, not her. She didn't browbeat him into anything. The only real sticking point is the cork master thing, and that's literally getting mad at her for wanting something good for her significant other.

And she went on to become a wise crackin' coroner in South Dakota.

edit:
Not to mention once they got rid of her they had to morph Niles and Daphne into these weird idiots in order to make their relationship work. The show would have been better if it ended with Daphne marrying Donny and both of them realizing that their fantasy crush was just a fantasy.

sir, this is the le cigare volant drive thru

Ein cooler Typ
Nov 26, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
Daphne also provides psychic services too that's like $1.99/minute

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Le Cigare Volant!

Foreskin Problems
Nov 4, 2012

It's doing fine, actually.

Solice Kirsk posted:

Le Cigare Volant!

Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003

the food is to die for

Fingerless Gloves
May 21, 2011

... aaand also go away and don't come back
Young Fraiser

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




Yung Fra$er

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

I think you mean The Crane Boys Mysteries

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

Jung Niles

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




Crayneb0i$ out here prescribing xanny

Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003

Hung Frasier

this psychiatrist fucks

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Hmong Frasier

ContraBoss
Dec 6, 2005

Well *I* only read the New Yorker and eat Fancy Feast.

Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

Hung Frasier

this psychiatrist fucks

Dr. Niles Crane, Hung specialist. Servicing individuals, couples, groups. Satisfaction guaranteed.

"Tell me where it hurts."

mojo1701a
Oct 9, 2008

Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Emphasis on LOUD!
~ David Lee Roth

ContraBoss posted:

Dr. Niles Crane, Hung specialist. Servicing individuals, couples, groups. Satisfaction guaranteed.

"Tell me where it hurts."

Even weirder when you realize that Mel was in Hung, playing the "pimp".

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:
The people who know me best will not be surprised by what I'm about to tell you.
I, am not a man

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Oct 30, 2009

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I often think the little cards between acts are the funniest part of the show.

Orkin Mang
Nov 1, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Solice Kirsk posted:

Hmong Frasier


LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

The worst part about being from Seattle when this was on is that everybody expected us to be like Frasier and Niles except even in the show nobody likes or is like Frasier and Niles.

naem
May 29, 2011

feigning interest posted:

sir, this is the le cigare volant drive thru

Foreskin Problems
Nov 4, 2012

It's doing fine, actually.
Hell yeah :pervert:

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

feigning interest posted:

sir, this is the le cigare volant drive thru

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Oct 30, 2009

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Martin: back in 52, there was no place like Frisco for a single guy cruising the streets looking for a good time.
Frasier: I think you’ll find Frisco hasn’t changed all that much.

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:
How wealthy was Frasier that he was out of a job for months, kept up his lavish lifestyle and still managed to lend Roz money like it was no thing
(Also $1500 was apparently enough to tide Roz over for three months)

LinYutang
Oct 12, 2016

NEOLIBERAL SHITPOSTER

:siren:
VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!
:siren:

Calaveron posted:

How wealthy was Frasier that he was out of a job for months, kept up his lavish lifestyle and still managed to lend Roz money like it was no thing
(Also $1500 was apparently enough to tide Roz over for three months)

The 90s were different

Chromatic
Jan 21, 2005

You guys ready to hear a satanic song?

Thunder Bear
Jul 27, 2009

fig. 0143
This thread inspired me to finish Frasier and give some other older sitcoms a shot.

I am loving The Mary Tyler Moore Show right now.

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ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe
Frasier Grips

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