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Zuul the Cat posted:He's not unkillable. And this isn't something that's limited to characters. Any time there's a unit type or weapon option that so good you wouldn't consider fielding anything else (e.g. grav-guns under 7th), the game as a whole suffers for it. Similarly, if a unit is so bad that you'd only field it under duress, then what's the point? A well-designed unit or character is either situational (use this unit if your mission objectives require you to move fast or far, use this unit if you need to kill vehicles, etc) or is pointed appropriately such that taking it or not taking it is a valid choice.
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Arven posted:Stolen from reddit That Ork Hunter is fuckin' dope, and the latest Badcast has me wanting to get some Space Buffmans. I don't want a new army so I might have to convince people here to start a Shadow War campaign.
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Pendent posted:Those guard conversions looks incredibly badass but it sounds like such a pain in the rear end to have to convert all 60 guardsman you're runing or whatever. Probably expensive too, since a lot of those looked like you'd basically need two seperate kits. Converting isn't the problem, they're all pretty simple kitbashes. Sourcing the bits is - those greatcoat legs are one per Cadian command squad, and those bits don't come cheap.
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Arven posted:Stolen from reddit That redcowl is pretty much exactly what I'm looking for in an acolyte. Well, maybe needs more fire. Reddit seems to think the head / cowl bit is from fantasy wild rangers, that's probably going to be a no-go.
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Oct 3, 2017 17:14
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Sorta wondering how you're supposed to pull off the Tanith on a large scale since I if the cloak is greenstuffed or converted from the Cadian Command Squad sniper rifle. I know the lasgun arm is from the Catachan CCS at least because I still haven't found a use for the one I have. 
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Oct 3, 2017 17:28
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I'd like to explore more of a campaign-style game with friends, doing stuff like fighting over a map to control territory and whatnot. Has anyone done anything like that? We're currently a few weeks into a combination escalation league/ campaign. We started with each of the 5 players "drafting" 5 hexes with room for expansion, as well as each person coming up with 3 environmental effects which were also placed in hexes to vary up the gameplay a bit. Each player also received one "ambush" they are considered have to set up in an unowned hex - basically this means that if someone is attempting to take an unoccupied hex you don't border, you can choose to use your ambush to contest that hex. We're only up to 400 points right now so we haven't really been playing missions yet, but in the next few weeks the plan is to start adding them in using the open war deck, and then eventually a modified version of the battle selection method TheChirurgeon had linked early in the thread. I believe we are going to eventually start doing warlord advancement as well, but we haven't started as of yet, again due to the low point level meaning several people aren't running their eventual HQ yet.
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Oct 3, 2017 17:43
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Cooked Auto posted:Sorta wondering how you're supposed to pull off the Tanith on a large scale since I if the cloak is greenstuffed or converted from the Cadian Command Squad sniper rifle. You buy thirty boxes! I'm a big big fan of new-GW but it's still, you know, GW?
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Schadenboner posted:I'm a big big fan of new-GW but it's still, you know, GW? Yeah I won't dispute that. v vI mean if I knew all the parts I might just build one of those guys for a lark but I can't see myself making a whole army with them without going deep into third party stuff as well. If GW were to ever release new Wood Elf kits I could see myself looking into using those for conversion jobs but not now since the current Glade Guard box is possibly older than the Cadians. Used their cloaks before for a conversion and it looks decent but not spectacular.
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Oct 3, 2017 17:48
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I'd like to explore more of a campaign-style game with friends, doing stuff like fighting over a map to control territory and whatnot. Has anyone done anything like that? Yeah, I"ve run a couple and am currently running one with my Jersey City crew. What I find is that the way you want to run it depends entirely on how many players you have, how often they/you can play, and what their investment level is. You have any additional context you can provide on these fronts?
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Yeah those custom regiments are cool but an awful lot of them are like "add this thing you get one of in a £30 box plus this thing which is in a completely unrelated kit for a different game which is also £30 and glue them to half a Cadian" and that's not really a feasible way to convert anything when you're not based in the Studio.
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Oct 3, 2017 17:53
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even if you were made of money all of those Guardsmen would have the exact same poses. terrible
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Oct 3, 2017 18:02
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Ilor posted:The problem is not his killability (a technical term, to be sure), but rather the fact that he's basically an auto-include. He's SO good that it's difficult to justify leaving him out of your list. It's cool for you (in particular) that he also fits your fluff, but if you wanted to play a Forge World other than Mars, you are essentially boned by comparison. Yeah, totally. I pointed out in my post as well that he's an autotake for me as well, but my running Mars just happens to make him fit. AdMech definitely suffer from him being so good and the complete lack of other choices for HQs. I can't really think of any other AdMech units that are a mandatory take. I haven't really noticed, are there any other armies that suffer from must take units? Corrode posted:Yeah those custom regiments are cool but an awful lot of them are like "add this thing you get one of in a £30 box plus this thing which is in a completely unrelated kit for a different game which is also £30 and glue them to half a Cadian" and that's not really a feasible way to convert anything when you're not based in the Studio. Duncan showing how he kitbashed his Freeguild Solakain Spearmen video makes me chuckle every time since he picks out like over $200 worth of boxes and is only using certain items (like the heads of marauder horsemen, or the daggers of liberators). But if you happen to play Disciples of Tzeentch, Stormcast Eternals, Darkling Covens and Slaves to Darkness, I guess it works out.
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To be fair, lots of people play different armies and you end up with a bunch of unused heads and weapons from the various infantry units.
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Oct 3, 2017 18:24
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Zuul the Cat posted:I haven't really noticed, are there any other armies that suffer from must take units? off the top of my head: Craftworlds - Wave Serpent Harlequins - Shadowseer Ynnari - Yvraine Orks - Warboss (maybe on a bike) Death Guard - Plagueburst Crawler i'm sure there are more
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Phyresis posted:Death Guard - Plagueburst Crawler This has already been determined?
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I hope they go back and give another unit or 2 to the thousand sons, especially if they are getting a standalone codex, the models are gorgeous but the range is tiny compared to nurgle boys 
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Phyresis posted:Craftworlds - Wave Serpent I dunno if these are really must takes. Are these must takes on a competitive level or just to be able to play the game effectively? Wave Serpents are transports. Why wouldn't you take them? That's like saying Rhinos are must takes. Having to foot slog with weak as poo poo infantry that die when someone farts in their direction blows. I don't think you have to take a Plagueburst Crawler. One of the guys I normally play with weekly runs Deathguard. His army is tough as nails and can go toe to toe with me almost every match without one, and he's almost entirely foot slogging with minimal vehicles. I think the only thing he runs are 2 blight drones.
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I just want more than 1 FW Slaaneshi greater daemon. Zarakanel looks cool and all, but it doesn't hold a candle to the multitude of options the other 3 demon armies have. And the GW model for a Keeper of Secrets is The Worst™. I was hoping to run a part Slaanesh part Emperor's Children army, but outside of daemonettes and seekers, my points are better spent elsewhere in CSM.
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I don't think anyone blames other players, but it does kinda suck to feel like you're gimping yourself because a special character is so good. And them being that good means there are few games without them for people who dislike them.
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Oct 3, 2017 18:59
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From a fluff perspective, I hope we get rules for that Genestealer Cult Magus who's scared shitless of Tyranids and keeps fleeing planets before they arrive. Then he starts a new cult on the next world because he can't help himself, it's just what he does.
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Phyresis posted:off the top of my head: I think the point of this list is just to show models that are undercosted to the point of making other units "bad" in comparison. Why would you ever take a Falcon when you could have a Wave Serpent that has double the transport capacity, another wound, a damage reduction ability/mortalwoundsplosion and almost the same damage while being 40-50 points cheaper. Ynnari REQUIRE a special named character as your warlord and regular craftworld eldar is dumpster tier unless you have a bunch of wave serpents zooming around playing bumper cars to prevent stuff from shooting. For death guard, the plagueburst crawler is just straight up better than the bloat drone. For Orks, warbosses on bikes are loving terrifying for such a cheap unit and one of the few games I lost to my friend's ork army he proxied a bunch of bike nobs as a supreme command detatchment of Warboss bikers and zoomed over (protected by a 30 man jumped unit of shoota boyz) and chopped my whole army to pieces.
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Phyresis posted:off the top of my head: Warboss is 68 pts with base loadout, is fluffy and fully customisable as one of your dudes fluff wise, you’re reaching a little on that one. Warboss on a bike won’t be in the Codex probably. Tiger Millionaire posted:I hope they go back and give another unit or 2 to the thousand sons, especially if they are getting a standalone codex, the models are gorgeous but the range is tiny compared to nurgle boys Agreed, it makes lists a little predictable right now. But secretly it’s because I want more gorgeous models.
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Phyresis posted:even if you were made of money all of those Guardsmen would have the exact same poses. terrible This just isn't true. Some of them maybe - the parts required for the Mordian dude wouldn't allow much flexibility for example - but most of the rest have a pretty decent set of bits from which to build the base model. I like the guy with the Skitarius helmet, that is a build that would give you lots of flexibility. As long as you don't mind the mismatched GSC shotguns and autoguns instead of lasguns.
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Milotic posted:Warboss is 68 pts with base loadout, is fluffy and fully customisable as one of your dudes fluff wise, you’re reaching a little on that one. Warboss on a bike won’t be in the Codex probably. might as well throw space marine captains on there in that case.
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Phyresis posted:i'm sure there are more Tau Commanders - basically every other suit can be replicated with the commander objectively better and cheaper. Drones - cheap bodies that let the commanders have effectively infinite burst cannons and wounds. It makes making lists depressing when every time you pick something a nagging thought goes, "yeah its nice but that HYMP broadside is just a commander with missile pods except more expensive and slower".
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Despite GW not putting entries for units that do not have models in the codex, does the Astra Militarum codex have an entry for veterans as troops?
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Oct 3, 2017 20:41
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Indexes were a hack job, it's not really fair to compare tau to the codex factions with regards to auto includes
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not lame! posted:Despite GW not putting entries for units that do not have models in the codex, does the Astra Militarum codex have an entry for veterans as troops? Vets are in the Codex as Elites (same as Index)
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chutche2 posted:Indexes were a hack job, it's not really fair to compare tau to the codex factions with regards to auto includes This is true, but is also a commonly whined about thing on a lot of forums so it is sort of worth mentioning particularly if there is gonna be a few months till any changes for them.
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A happier solution would be squatting Tau entirely
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not lame! posted:Despite GW not putting entries for units that do not have models in the codex, does the Astra Militarum codex have an entry for veterans as troops? Imagine a world where Conscripts got squatted for technically lacking unique models.
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The Bee posted:Imagine a world where Conscripts got squatted for technically lacking unique models. This would have been the most hilarious thing.
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I got this Contemptor by buying a dude a shot at NOVA and he gave me his:     I also magnetized it in case I ever want a multimelta for some reason: 
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SRM posted:I got this Contemptor by buying a dude a shot at NOVA and he gave me his: I fumbled mine and the kheres neatly detatched exposing the magnets id set up before gluing it so thankfully I can give him the multi melta now, in a dozen games the kheres has consistently failed to wow me.
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SRM posted:I got this Contemptor by buying a dude a shot at NOVA and he gave me his: Giveh the story of how you got it I'm glad you've posed it to be drunkenly swaying after a hard night on the town.
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SRM posted:I got this Contemptor by buying a dude a shot at NOVA and he gave me his: I absolutely love your work, I do have to say that the pose looks like someone when they get caught doing something wrong. I just hear it saying, "uhhh it wasn't me"
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Zark the Damned posted:Giveh the story of how you got it I'm glad you've posed it to be drunkenly swaying after a hard night on the town. Power fist desperately searching for something to steady itself with
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Zark the Damned posted:Giveh the story of how you got it I'm glad you've posed it to be drunkenly swaying after a hard night on the town. That's honestly the best case scenario with this sculpt tbh
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Does anyone have any suggestions for suppliers of terrain? I would like to get enough to put together a battlefield at home. I am assuming that I start with a FAT mat, and then buy some stuff to go on it - assuming I wanted to spend up to about £100/$150 (on top of the mat) what would people recommend? I have a strong preference against anything I have to paint myself.
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One_Wing posted:Does anyone have any suggestions for suppliers of terrain? I would like to get enough to put together a battlefield at home. I am assuming that I start with a FAT mat, and then buy some stuff to go on it - assuming I wanted to spend up to about £100/$150 (on top of the mat) what would people recommend? I have a strong preference against anything I have to paint myself. Well, you have to paint it, but a few of these will fill a table quickly: https://ttcombat.com/collections/sci-fi-gothic-scenics/products/ruin-sector Black primer and a quick grey and white dry brush will make it look like stone or concrete without much effort.
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