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He's a Neutral Good Paladin in CapAm 1, but I feel like he's kinda just a dude after that. Haven't seen CapAm 2 though.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 22:20 |
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# ? May 25, 2024 14:05 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Tell me, what actually makes Captain America a person of "impeccable moral character" in the Marvel movies? His virginity.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 22:21 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Tell me, what actually makes Captain America a person of "impeccable moral character" in the Marvel movies? He punches nazis a lot
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 22:28 |
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Rough Lobster posted:He's usually right due to his unerring moral compass and his actions have led to the savings of countless innocent lives while thwarting evil at every turn, often at great personal sacrifice. This reads like a Bush admin memo.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 22:29 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:This reads like a Bush admin memo. my first thought was back of a tom clancy paperback but we're basically saying the same thing
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 22:32 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:This reads like a Bush admin memo. You've failed to make a counter argument to the true and correct thing I have posted.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 22:39 |
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McCloud posted:Reminder: This was a guy who said "Sometimes a soldier should just follow orders" when Stark questioned Shield
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 22:48 |
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Rough Lobster posted:You've failed to make a counter argument to the true and correct thing I have posted. What's happened is that you've bought into the moral universe of the Avengers movies. Consider what "thwarting evil" actually means in this context: what is the evil that he's thwarted? Loki and Chitauri don't actually represent any believable evil (what does Loki actually want to do as ruler of the world, aside from vague promises of rule by fear?). SHIELD-Hydra is naive tinfoil conspiracy fodder: what if CIA bad because Nazis? You can't take him seriously for overcoming that. He didn't even kill Tony Stark when he could have. That's genuine evil, un-thwarted.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 22:50 |
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It's funny because Cap's a rube who cares about the Rule of Law and if he signs the Slovenia Accord feels honor-bound to follow them. Tony, as a corporate warmongering thief, knows that laws are meaningless and will be ignored by the powerful (i.e. him). I thought they did a good job with that part.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 22:51 |
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Reminds me of the Piers Anthony. I'm that, God and Satan signed an agreement to not meddle with Earth. God is honor bound to not break the agreement whereas Satan immediately starts loving with mortals.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 23:06 |
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porfiria posted:He's a Neutral Good Paladin in CapAm 1, but I feel like he's kinda just a dude after that. Haven't seen CapAm 2 though. He's really awesome in 2 and becomes a Lawful Good Paladin when he determines that (mega spoilers if you do plan on seeing it) The US government is fully compromised by fascist assholes and says outright that SHIELD and Hydra as the same thing and then he performs a 9/11 on the settings equivalent of the NSA headquarters. Also the movie predicted the surveillance level stuff getting announced recently about using facial recognition/doxxing to learn if you might vote against the ruling party so you can be rounded up in advance. And we see that foreshadowed a little when Samuel L. Jackson is pulled over by some cops and ends up having to machinegun his way out of them to not get killed just for not being down with their new surveillance initiatives. It went in a pretty bold direction for a mainstream PG-13 mega-budget summer comic book movie because he doesn't do a there's some bad apples/both sides should be listened to thing it's just straight up SHIELD has to end so naturally none of that actually gets brought up again in future films and everything falls nicely back into place. Great sound design across the entire movie too and he also has the second coolest costume in it after his outfit in the first one.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 23:25 |
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Neo Rasa posted:because he doesn't do a there's some bad apples/both sides should be listened to thing it's just straight up SHIELD has to end There's a moment when he gives a stupid speech and then everyone in shield divides into team good guys and team bad guys, thus undermining the point that sci fi CIA is toxic and full of assholes. Instead the morale becomes that these agencies must be vigilant because bad apples can sneak in and lead you astray, totally undercutting the point it's trying to make.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 23:36 |
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Rough Lobster posted:He's usually right due to his unerring moral compass and his actions have led to the savings of countless innocent lives while thwarting evil at every turn, often at great personal sacrifice. He didn't thwart Hydra very well, seeing as they were running the USA.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 23:43 |
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McCloud posted:There's a moment when he gives a stupid speech and then everyone in shield divides into team good guys and team bad guys, thus undermining the point that sci fi CIA is toxic and full of assholes. Instead the morale becomes that these agencies must be vigilant because bad apples can sneak in and lead you astray, totally undercutting the point it's trying to make. And, at least in early 2014, I thought it was cool as hell to see a superhero blockbuster where the handsome blond American-flag uniformed protagonist "won" by literally burning down a military industrial complex while refusing to punch his opponent to death.
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 23:47 |
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josh04 posted:He didn't thwart Hydra very well, seeing as they were running the USA. Being prevented from finishing the job by 80 years of cryosleep tend to do that, but he got around to it. See Marvel's fantastic Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier for further details.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 00:20 |
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The big reveal in Thor 3 is that the Odin family is basically Kim Jong Un'ing Asgard from even cooler future stuff in the rest of the universe.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 00:21 |
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Rough Lobster posted:You've failed to make a counter argument to the true and correct thing I have posted. all you really posted was 'he's the protagonist of an action movie' but wordier which has nothing to do with morality cap is right because it suits the narrative for him to be right, not because of any strong moral stance posed by the character
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 00:27 |
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[quote="“Brother Entropy”" post="“477025918”"] civil war is the product you get when you make a story explicitly about politics but want to avoid any possible stance that could impact revenue so a story about justified force and culpability is actually just about tony stark’s feelings [/quote] This is why i will never bother watching it
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 00:54 |
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Let's face it, Winter Soldier went as far as it's possible for a big budget Hollywood movie to go these days. The American propaganda machine is just too powerful to really go after the Military-Industrial Complex nowadays.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 00:55 |
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Iron Man/Tony Stark are totally like if billionaire Donald J Trump suddenly got access to insane super weapons and wanted to use them to kill brown people.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 01:07 |
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Brother Entropy posted:
Correct.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 01:15 |
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Rough Lobster posted:Being prevented from finishing the job by 80 years of cryosleep tend to do that, but he got around to it. See Marvel's fantastic Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier for further details. Excuses, excuses.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 01:22 |
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Jenny Slate and Michelle Williams are in the Venom movie with Tom Hardy.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 01:38 |
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got any sevens posted:This is why i will never bother watching it It's the most astoundingly nothing movie I've seen. The broader point about oversight makes no impact on the plot, but neither does the personal struggle between the two men, since Cap forgives him at the end.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 02:21 |
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It explains a lot that people who see a superhero character as a moral exemplar also parse characters in terms of the D&D alignment system.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 08:49 |
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I like to think it's Cap realising Tony is brokebrained and never gonna really change, and also has a huge man crush on him, so he leaves his options open in case he needs backup sometime.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 09:11 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:All that muscle talk and still no explanation how the Avengers are not fascist. Can you be a fascist if you don't give a gently caress about any nation or state? The Avengers are a collection of Autocrats, Anarchic-Libertarians, Philosopher Kings, Ideologues, and Mercenaries. All of them of course have hearts of gold, even if sometimes that heart is coated in tin, but none of them are fascist. Brother Entropy posted:civil war is the product you get when you make a story explicitly about politics but want to avoid any possible stance that could impact revenue Having read the comic attempt at being about politics, the version without real politics is infinitely better. McCloud posted:There's a moment when he gives a stupid speech and then everyone in shield divides into team good guys and team bad guys, thus undermining the point that sci fi CIA is toxic and full of assholes. Instead the morale becomes that these agencies must be vigilant because bad apples can sneak in and lead you astray, totally undercutting the point it's trying to make. The point was that SHIELD wasn't lead astray. It was ruined from almost the founding. The agency did not take the time to make sure they did not become a monster when carrying out their mission of fighting monsters. The original sin of inviting Hydra in happened almost immediately after the agency's founding when they when full operation paperclip. The speech was about uncovering the good apples left in the shipping container of rotten ones.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 18:46 |
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Ready for more unsourced plot details? This time for Flashpointquote:The first draft of the script was penned by Joby Harold, who previously wrote Guy Ritchie's "King Arthur: Legend of the Sword" and it is only loosely based on the comics' storyline. WB executives are apparently very happy and are planning for release the movie in 2020 or 2021 (depends on schedule).
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 18:53 |
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If it's Michael Fassbender I'm gonna call him Michael Fastbender
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:00 |
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Al Borland Corp. posted:If it's Michael Fassbender I'm gonna call him Michael Fastbender drat good
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:25 |
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Gyges posted:
As lame as the comic story ended up being, I was still surprised at how much better the movie version was.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:50 |
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Ready for more unsourced plot details? This time for Flashpoint Fassbender or Alexander Skarsgard I could see playing a psycho like Thawne pretty well. Also, one step closer to Jeffrey Dean Morgan as best Batman.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 21:23 |
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I.....would be totally down with a Michael Bay Flash movie. I'm still sad that WB blew it in like 2008-ish when George Miller was attached to direct both Batman/Superman: World's Finest and Justice League, like can you even imagine?
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 21:42 |
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Neo Rasa posted:I.....would be totally down with a Michael Bay Flash movie. Nerds in the 2009 where this is reality: The loving director of BABE!?
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 21:45 |
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And Happy Feet. They would be talking about how George Miller is too soft.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 21:54 |
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It all worked out for the best tho with Snyder taking over.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 22:38 |
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Upcoming Marvel news. https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/915610998979129345
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 23:05 |
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 23:41 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:It explains a lot that people who see a superhero character as a moral exemplar also parse characters in terms of the D&D alignment system. My tongue is always and ever firmly in my cheek. I think even known communist SMG agrees that Cap is a True Hero in Captain America: The First Avenger though.
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# ? Oct 5, 2017 00:16 |
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Wasn't there this moment in Civil War where Stark is arguing with Cap, and right as Cap is about to cave someone says some dumb poo poo and Cap becomes even more stubborn?
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# ? Oct 5, 2017 00:50 |