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Zest posted:I miss Total Annihilation and Supreme Commander. And I'm still pissed at Uber for loving up Planetary Annihilation. Hell, noone's really even managed to catch up to SupCom's dual display mode. Posting from the past here, but sup com is alive and well in the form of Forged Alliance Forever, a Feel free to join the definitive sup com experience.
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Bootcha posted:Derek, I know you and love you, but I'm doing this as a favor to you. didn't you see the news? This whole crusade against star citizen was a false alarm
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Oct 4, 2017 10:23
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The NMS meltdown was incredible, but SC is doing what NMS should have done and release in early access. It breaks the gamer brain and makes it impossible for them to be critical.
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Oct 4, 2017 10:38
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Bofast posted:
Quoted for posterity. Although I fall into the 'bastard son of an idiot" category, as I still have my toe in the Star Citizen cesspool.
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To riff on the analogy from a few pages back, Guitar Citizen would be a Rock Band clone with: - no guitar peripherals produced yet so you have to air guitar in front of your TV (or play with a standard controller) - you can preorder the fancy plastic guitars, keyboards, drums and mics for as much as $15k apiece to "donate" to the project and "push the boundaries" of video games development - the only song currently available ingame is a high fidelity version of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr-I8XIAj8I - unfortunately only the first minute is available to play for now, the remaining 2:30 will be available in 2 weeks. - actually many more songs are coming, they will be procedurally generated. 2 weeks. - super high fidelity graphics - fantastic body awareness (mocapped on Slash, Yngwie Malmsteen and Steve Vai) - runs at 12 fps, crashes frequently - the game is currently split in 4 separate modules, one for each instrument. - multiplayer across modules is not possible. - new facetech allows you to mimic weird facial expressions (you still cannot see your character onscreen unfortunately) - your character might become fatigued and unable to play if you forget to : eat, sleep, drink - you might catch STDs from sleeping with groupies which you can seduce through a dating minigame in between songs. You will be given a percentage of satisfaction after sex depending on your performance. There has been no news of this feature for the past 3 years but it's absolutely coming. Oh and you may or may not be able to cure said STDs by going to a doctor. Doctors will be other players and not NPCs. - Your instruments might be stolen by other players backstage. You will have to pay for them again. They will be super expensive. - If your band is not successful enough for you to afford new instruments you will be able to work at the bar and serve drinks, or mop the floor to make some cash. poo poo I could keep this going for pages 
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Oct 4, 2017 11:01
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Mangoose posted:Haha, my five year old son loves it too. I had to google otters for him, we spent like 30 minutes looking at pictures. He now wants one for christmas. Have you showed him this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wavh47RpLz4 ? 
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It seems that in the past couple weeks the thread has turned into something that more and more resembles an outlet to mock Warlord Derek rather than SC, especially after Incident 45. 1/5. Never forget. Will stick to discord for awhile. Nellistos fucked around with this message at 11:15 on Oct 4, 2017 |
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Oct 4, 2017 11:12
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Percelus posted:blocking/ignoring someone that isn't spamming gold selling ads is basically admitting defeat imo I used to think like that but now I think it's fine if you find them really boring. I fast forward through adverts too, when the thread is bad it makes catching up easier too.
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Sandweed posted:The NMS meltdown was incredible, but SC is doing what NMS should have done and release in early access. It breaks the gamer brain and makes it impossible for them to be critical. It's more than just early access. CIG  . It's the one area CIG has actually been innovative. It doesn't matter how little they have they put out an hour plus of prattling and waffling on youtube per week. Which when you look at other early access titles that go limited or no communication between updates their community just tunes out or turns actively hostile. The message is clear gamers want constant bullshit and it pays to give it to them. Even at the expense of actual game development devs should constantly bullshit if they want money to keep flowing.
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kilus aof posted:So CIG removed the Completionist package from public viewing. I guess they didn't like it when people could link the $15,000 USD DLC for an unreleased game as an example of Star Citizen being a scam/scum. But don't worry space whales, Concierge level backers can still buy them. If they've remove all the $2500+ packages, that means for the first time you can't buy an Idris anymore. Maybe they figured out they can't get the Idris working in the "game" and it would be really bad to keep selling it after that point.
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Oct 4, 2017 12:00
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kilus aof posted:It's more than just early access. CIG Yeah, a lot of people probably feel as though they are being kept in the loop as long as the developer says anything, especially as they are often (and understandably) too ignorant of development to accurately judge whether the info they receive makes sense or not.
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AP posted:If they've remove all the $2500+ packages, that means for the first time you can't buy an Idris anymore. Or maybe they're close to release and don't need the pledges anymore. Checkmate goonies 
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AP posted:If they've remove all the $2500+ packages, that means for the first time you can't buy an Idris anymore. Or maybe Chris forgot to buy LTI on the Idris' they blew up at Gamescom. They can't afford to replace it and they are grinding up in game cash, because the AI won't take orders on spec.
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Oct 4, 2017 12:10
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AP posted:If they've remove all the $2500+ packages, that means for the first time you can't buy an Idris anymore. Maybe this is a desperate attempt to assuage the "these chumps are charging $15,000 for a game they've no intention of releasing" headlines that are incoming.
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Oct 4, 2017 12:19
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tooterfish posted:Maybe 3.0 is in an even worse state than we thought, so bad that their dwindling I'm not sure. That seems like unusually good planning for being CIG.
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Slow_Moe posted:Or maybe they're close to release and don't need the pledges anymore. Checkmate goonies this is canon now
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Oct 4, 2017 12:23
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Ramadu posted:this is canon now awww jeez, I really hosed up. I should have said I was dating a supermodel while I was at it.
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Oct 4, 2017 12:26
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tooterfish posted:Maybe 3.0 is in an even worse state than we thought, so bad that their dwindling Maybe.
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drat Thread on reddit with the title "In game Scams" https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/742444/in_game_scams/ When will the awakening happen? At the Episode VIII premiere maybe?
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Oct 4, 2017 12:34
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Slow_Moe posted:awww jeez, I really hosed up. I should have said I was dating a supermodel while I was at it. *a finger curls down on the monkeys paw* congratulations you're now dating sandi gardiner the worlds greatest marketer since she was a little girl! *shakes head* now you're even more entwined in star citizen. Bad break man
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Nellistos posted:It seems that in the past couple weeks the thread has turned into something that more and more resembles an outlet to mock Warlord Derek rather than SC, especially after Incident 45. Kindly gently caress off, goonie!
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Tokamak posted:
Reminds of that nutball citizen that posted a picture of his notebook so he could test and record the results of the PTU and report it to CIG. That was pathetic.
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Ramadu posted:*a finger curls down on the monkeys paw* congratulations you're now dating sandi gardiner the worlds greatest marketer since she was a little girl! No. NONONOnonononon. undo undo ctrl+z ctrl+z ctrl+shift+esc aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 
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Slow_Moe posted:No. NONONOnonononon. undo undo ctrl+z ctrl+z ctrl+shift+esc aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Derek was right all along. Shoulda read the manual
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Bofast posted:Yeah, a lot of people probably feel as though they are being kept in the loop as long as the developer says anything, especially as they are often (and understandably) too ignorant of development to accurately judge whether the info they receive makes sense or not. The other thing that's pretty brilliant about CIG's media campaign is that the signal to noise ratio is so incredibly low it makes it (nearly) impossible to verify anything you think you remember seeing or hearing from two years ago. I'd imagine most backers feel like they have a pretty good handle on knowing what's going on but couldn't tell you specifics about the game due to information overload.
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Colostomy Bag posted:
Of course that door wasn't a blocker. I mean, have you seen how you can just wiggle your way through them?
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Beet Wagon posted:The other thing that's pretty brilliant about CIG's media campaign is that the signal to noise ratio is so incredibly low it makes it (nearly) impossible to verify anything you think you remember seeing or hearing from two years ago. I'd imagine most backers feel like they have a pretty good handle on knowing what's going on but couldn't tell you specifics about the game due to information overload. They can't, that's why Gremlich or someone else quoted by Mirificus literally complained that "Goons ask questions demanding specific answers". Like, no poo poo someone would ask pointed questions, and the only reason they decline to answer them is because they know they: Can't answer it or the answer is poo poo and makes Star Citizen look bad.
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Star Citizen's economy is going to be amazing and not player-driven but based off of individual price listings throughout the 100-star-system galaxy! "Ok, but what happens if a glitch happens and prices collapse to one one-hundredth of their original listing"  "That will never happen because Chris is a coding genius""Ok, so what happens if Goons flood the commodities market and causes an economic crash" "Goons can't do that because CIG is watching you!" "Oh and the economic model is so stable nobody could crash it ever, best and brightest at/with CIG!"
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And gently caress having just 9 million individual, independent, and intelligent AI that have their own lives at all times, etc, etc. What about corporations and government groups or coalitions? Will certain trade items be heavily guarded or only available to purchase from non-human entities? Will you be able to embargo anyone? Will you be able manufacture special alloys, metals, or other items with goods acquired (il)legally? Can you tip off the popo to have the UEE shut down your illegal melt op? Actually, speaking of, what happens if you take out your ship, get killed, have your ship stolen, and the guy who stole your ship melts it, and you have LTI on the ship? Does the ship remain yours but you get a new copy? Who pays the thief the melt cost? Does this come out of the economy itself? How many space bucks are printed each year to counter-act inflation on goods and services?
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*puts fingers and ears, screaming LA-LA-LA over and over again while smashing his face into his monitor*
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It makes me wonder, if you could get someone like Relay to do some kind of poll comparing how confident backers feel about what they know versus what they actually know I bet the results would be loving shocking. Hell, I've been following this game like an obsessive weirdo since kickstarter and honestly even I don't feel like I have a good handle on what's real and what isn't real sometimes. The real question is - is this overflow of information a purposeful attempt to keep backers in the dark or is it simply that Chris legitimately thinks that "open development" means having a reality tv show? I'm of the opinion that it must be the second one. I still don't buy the notion that this is or has become an intentional scam. I know that's fairly academic - a scam is a scam, regardless of what you think the scammer is thinking - but I still can't help but see Crobbler as completely inept and in so far over his head that all he can do is flail his arms and pray to god the authorities accept "I'm really sorry, I didn't know it was wrong!" as an excuse when they finally come knocking. I think that what we're seeing with all of their shows and streams and liveshows is Chris aping what he thinks development should look like. Almost everything they put out reminds me of a lower quality version of those "behind the scenes" dev videos that come out after the game, cut and chopped and spliced to highlight the fact that the devs are badass rockstars coming up with creative solutions to things. I've never seen any of them put out a devlog that looks like anything you'd see on your basic Early Access game. 
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Beet Wagon posted:It makes me wonder, if you could get someone like Relay to do some kind of poll comparing how confident backers feel about what they know versus what they actually know I bet the results would be loving shocking. Hell, I've been following this game like an obsessive weirdo since kickstarter and honestly even I don't feel like I have a good handle on what's real and what isn't real sometimes. The real question is - is this overflow of information a purposeful attempt to keep backers in the dark or is it simply that Chris legitimately thinks that "open development" means having a reality tv show? Absolutely yes. Nobody pushes that much content unless they want to flood their "market" with hours of white noise that you have to sift through to find the actual content. Lots of redditors have posted about X function is TOTALLY IN THE GAME GUYS! Just watch episode 238 of Around the Verse and its somewhere in there, I think, yeah, totally! Then they've got the constant reinventing of the wheel of terms and buzzwords that good companies try to minimize or avoid entirely. poo poo, just look at all the idiots touting CIGs impressive NEVER-BEFORE-SEEN tech! Its all bullshit.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:And gently caress having just 9 million individual, independent, and intelligent AI that have their own lives at all times, etc, etc. Uh, thanks to subsumption these scenarios will all play out like they would in real life. If you can't imagine them in real life, well maybe find a less fidelitous game.
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How much actual "development" are you actually privy to by watching those many many many youtube videos? Not much. What it does is keep the hype train rolling. It's marketing, pure and simple. And it makes up for quality by flooding the tubes with quantity.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:No, you see, its because Amazon hasnt the roster depth as CIG who just so happen to be stumped regarding their network issues for the last every year theyve been in development. And then theres all the tech theyve worked on and subsequently scrapped, like grabby hands and the soon-to-be-dead FOIP. And im sure that Amazon can rely on CIG for in-depth analysis and design documents the likes of which we havent seen in years and that are largely irrelevant now. Jobbo_Fett posted:Star Citizen's economy is going to be amazing and not player-driven but based off of individual price listings throughout the 100-star-system galaxy! 
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Sandweed posted:So the players will never any meaningful impact on the game world is what you are saying. Players will only represent 10% of the population of the "universe" with the other 90% being fully simulated AI entities going around their daily lives, because Chris is trying to make WoW and not Planetside, so why wouldn't the universe remain completely static at all times?
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