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fruit on the bottom posted:Uh because that’s thats what happened dude. If the hitting was actually achieving anything, he wouldn't need to keep hitting the kid every drat day.
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Tennessee's family court system is a joke. She's correct to be concerned.
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Oct 18, 2017 21:02
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Palpek posted:I knew that a lot of American states are hosed on some law issues but I haven't imagined that openly admitting to hitting your child is legal, holy poo poo. I wouldn't be shocked if it was legal and encouraged in some states and counties. Tons of folks the good ol' tried and true "wisdom" that kids need the fear of God smacked into them. They'll claim it's totally different than beating a child, but can never explain exactly how.
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Oct 18, 2017 21:04
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Palpek posted:I knew that a lot of American states are hosed on some law issues but I haven't imagined that openly admitting to hitting your child is legal, holy poo poo. on the one hand you don't want to mandate parental behavior past a certain norm, its impossible to police and parenting is one of those things that tons of people end up doing even if they suck at it on the other hand there's a huge spectrum of permissible behaviors when spanking is legal ranging from occasional spanks to straight up physical abuse, which is what this abusive father is doing (probably because he, in turn, was beaten by his father, and so on) it boils down to the cultural norm of people not wanting to admit that their parents made bad decisions, or that they have been taught incorrect parenting behaviors at least the united states is making progress on corporal punishment being driven out of schools, until fairly recently (and still extant in some rare cases) you could be beaten as a child by agents of the state like a school principal
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Oct 18, 2017 21:07
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Who What Now posted:I wouldn't be shocked if it was legal and encouraged in some states and counties. Tons of folks the good ol' tried and true "wisdom" that kids need the fear of God smacked into them. They'll claim it's totally different than beating a child, but can never explain exactly how. Beat the poo poo out of your kids; just don't maim them! 
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Oct 18, 2017 21:08
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"that's how we did it in my day, and i turned out fine" is the same reason weed is still illegal as well as just tons of dumb nonsensical laws
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Oct 18, 2017 21:10
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boner confessor posted:what the dad is doing is technically legal but lol that he thinks he'll have any success even in tennessee family court when he contends that his ex wife doesn't hit their son hard or often enough, especially if they get testimony from the kid about why dad hits him, or that they divorced because dad was physically disciplining a toddler (!!!) There's a friend of my mom's who sometimes brings his kids with him on the weekends to stay at our place (they're in Jacksonville and their home was destroyed by Irma flooding). He went through a whole cycle of abusive stepfathers in addition to his biological father, and just about every one would beat him as punishment for anything. His two kids can be annoying as gently caress, especially the 8-year-old being a total brat who enjoys pushing boundaries and intentionally doing things he's told not to do. But whenever he gets mad, his first instinct is violence. He doesn't even stop to think about whether or not he should hit them. It's like a visceral reaction to respond to misbehavior by attacking. I had to babysit the aforementioned 8-year-old this past Saturday and I can understand why you'd want to smack him, but instead I spent a long time explaining to him how badly he had hosed up (specifically that he was going to grow up with no friends if he didn't stop behaving like a little turd) and using non-violent punishments like not letting him play with things when he intentionally tried to damage them, and it got him to mellow out a bit.
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Oct 18, 2017 21:12
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That’s fair grandpa, but you also ate hardtack and died of polio
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Palpek posted:I knew that a lot of American states are hosed on some law issues but I haven't imagined that openly admitting to hitting your child is legal, holy poo poo. I think it was a generational thing that is quickly, quickly losing favor as millennials start to raise children. I remember being spanked as a child, it loving sucked but thats just how it always was, our parents were spanked, their parents were spanked and it just kept going. It's become less common but from what I can see it was the 20-30-ish crowd raising children today that kind of just said finally, gently caress it, nope, doesn't matter if it happened to me as a child, no more, this poo poo is unacceptable now.
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Three Olives posted:I think it was a generational thing that is quickly, quickly losing favor as millennials start to raise children. I remember being spanked as a child, it loving sucked but thats just how it always was, our parents were spanked, their parents were spanked and it just kept going. It's become less common but from what I can see it was the 20-30-ish crowd raising children today that kind of just said finally, gently caress it, nope, doesn't matter if it happened to me as a child, no more, this poo poo is unacceptable now. Yes, but they also let children use pools, so is it really worth it?
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fruit on the bottom posted:That’s fair grandpa, but you also ate hardtack and died of polio I just want my kids to have a better life than me but also if it was good enough for me it should be good enough for them.
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chitoryu12 posted:I had to babysit the aforementioned 8-year-old this past Saturday and I can understand why you'd want to smack him, but instead I spent a long time explaining to him how badly he had hosed up (specifically that he was going to grow up with no friends if he didn't stop behaving like a little turd) and using non-violent punishments like not letting him play with things when he intentionally tried to damage them, and it got him to mellow out a bit. yeah, this is the biggest reason hitting your kids is a bad strategy. it's not how adults typically behave. if as an adult your behavior needs to be corrected by some other party, you are deprived of some thing - your job might cut your hours or fire you, your romantic partner might get mad at you or dump you, the state may fine or incarcerate you. but nobody is typically kicking your rear end to enforce some social norm as a parent you have complete control over your child's environment, including what they can do or own. if your lovely teen is talking back, you can take away their car or ground them. if your young child is acting crazy, you can give them a lecture and put them in time out. beating them doesn't teach them how society works, it just teaches them that their parent is a violent rear end in a top hat and that violence is something to be employed by the strong against the weak. you're not teaching your children how to behave, you're just teaching your children how not to be beaten by you, by sticking to your weird and arbitrary rules like not slamming the door
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Oct 18, 2017 21:18
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boner confessor posted:but nobody is typically kicking your rear end to enforce some social norm I mean as long as you are white. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56HhQz3zEk8
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Oct 18, 2017 21:22
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Palpek posted:I knew that a lot of American states are hosed on some law issues but I haven't imagined that openly admitting to hitting your child is legal, holy poo poo. Beating your children is not merely tolerated, but encouraged in the parts of the US that take the Bible 'literally' (spare the rod//spoil the child). As was beating your wife up until a couple decades ago. I actually don't know if it's legal in South Carolina to beat your wife on the courthouse steps on Sunday or if that's just an urban legend that's been repeated a bunch. I don't plan on finding out if it's true or not.
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Oct 18, 2017 21:24
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sierramike76 posted:We have an update to the woman who spent all her time in the water. dang this mystery got solved so quick the drat scooby crew is still lighting up in the driveway
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Oct 18, 2017 21:25
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schools can still beat your children in kansas iirc
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Oct 18, 2017 21:26
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Also the kid's lovely behavior is definitely the result of no discipline rather than non-violent discipline. He spends a lot of time with grandparents who spoil him, and the fact that he's being raised by a single dad means his teachers and day care staff were always afraid to have to tell daddy that Tanner is a terrible hellbeast.
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Oct 18, 2017 21:28
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boner confessor posted:on the one hand you don't want to mandate parental behavior past a certain norm You don't need to mandate the behavior. Just don't treat assault as "a okay!" if it's a parent doing it to a child. Simple. Laws already on the books.
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Oct 18, 2017 21:29
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Three Olives posted:I mean as long as you are white. how can you post that and not include his sweet action movie barrel roll  Motronic posted:You don't need to mandate the behavior. Just don't treat assault as "a okay!" if it's a parent doing it to a child. Simple. Laws already on the books. this is a great way to get voted out of office by tons of people who reserve the right to beat their children as well as the simple minded who agree that beating children is a cool and good thing to do like yeah, it would be super easy to stop having a stupid society if people would just stop being so stupid all the time, but the reality of implementing these things is trickier. speeding is illegal but in many places everyone does it and it's impossible to enforce because speeding is the cultural norm
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Oct 18, 2017 21:31
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boner confessor posted:beating them doesn't teach them how society works, it just teaches them that their parent is a violent rear end in a top hat and that violence is something to be employed by the strong against the weak. you're not teaching your children how to behave, you're just teaching your children how not to be beaten by you, by sticking to your weird and arbitrary rules like not slamming the door Hmm, I wonder where your kid got the idea that violence is okay? 
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Oct 18, 2017 21:42
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Another problem with disciplining your kid with physical violence is it's a difficult habit to break and a great way to give your kid a 100% legal chance to clean your clock once they turn 18. I came home from college once for a holiday and my dad kicked down my childhood bedroom door because I walked away from him screaming at me. (He used to stand in the door and scream and threaten to have me sent to juvie if I "assaulted" him by pushing past.) Well anyways, after he kicked in the door I ended up shoving him out of the way so he called the police because I "battered" him and they were like "lol no, you standing in a doorway doesn't mean the occupant just has to accept their new life, you're lucky he just shoved you"
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maskenfreiheit posted:"lol no, you standing in a doorway doesn't mean the occupant just has to accept their new life" 
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Palpek posted:I knew that a lot of American states are hosed on some law issues but I haven't imagined that openly admitting to hitting your child is legal, holy poo poo. Yeah I didn't know this was a thing, I'm from Illinois where it's pretty loving frowned upon to hit your kid, especially by the law.
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MF_James posted:Yeah I didn't know this was a thing, I'm from Illinois where it's pretty loving frowned upon to hit your kid, especially by the law. in illinois "A parent is legally justified in using reasonable force when necessary as part of reasonable discipline of a child."
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Oct 18, 2017 21:56
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My parents never hit me so they had to come up with waaaaay more hosed up stuff
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Oct 18, 2017 21:57
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boner confessor posted:in illinois "A parent is legally justified in using reasonable force when necessary as part of reasonable discipline of a child." Holy poo poo, I just did a deeper look after you posted this and yeah you're right, wtf illinois.
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Oct 18, 2017 22:03
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“Pick you didn’t eat your vegetables so now you get to choose which prisoner dies.”
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Oct 18, 2017 22:04
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Pick posted:My parents never hit me so they had to come up with waaaaay more hosed up stuff My parents did not hit me they sent me to catholic school.
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Oct 18, 2017 22:12
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Pick you did not clean your room so let’s examine the trolley problem.
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Oct 18, 2017 22:13
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Pick's parents got her a whipping boy they could punish without beating their precious broke brain daughter, and that's how she met Hugh
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The_end posted:My parents did not hit me they sent me to catholic school. oh they did that too
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VanSandman posted:Pick you did not clean your room so let’s examine the trolley problem. Lmao
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Now let's meet our next contestant on Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Prizes! Here's <unnamed boyfriend> with his breakup gambit in order to teach his girlfriend a lesson: (Ex?)Boyfriend (27M) broke up with me (23F). I slept with a friend (his co-worker) (29M) during breakup, confessed to my boyfriend, and he broke up with me for real. quote:Using throwaway. Long story, sorry.
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Oct 18, 2017 22:29
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I got paddled in public school way more often than I ever got hit at home, it was a relief to get sent off to Catholic school for some low key psychological abuse. It's like getting moved from supermax to club fed.
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Doggles posted:Now let's meet our next contestant on Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Prizes! Here's <unnamed boyfriend> with his breakup gambit in order to teach his girlfriend a lesson: Where's that gif of Mario ducking under the enormous Bullet Bill? Because That.
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Oct 18, 2017 22:41
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really, we should just send children to prison for the first 18 years.
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Doggles posted:Now let's meet our next contestant on Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Prizes! Here's <unnamed boyfriend> with his breakup gambit in order to teach his girlfriend a lesson: Lady, you managed to get your boyfriend to dump you so you could bone Adam, because your boyfriend was a whiny turd; why try to get back with the whiny turd when things with Adam don't go as well as you'd hoped? And then why act surprised when your whiny turd of an ex-boyfriend acts like a whiny turd?!?
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Oct 18, 2017 22:46
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gently caress religion and/or the south
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Doggles posted:Now let's meet our next contestant on Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Prizes! Here's <unnamed boyfriend> with his breakup gambit in order to teach his girlfriend a lesson: Boyfriend is a whiny idiot, but also it's blatantly obvious that boyfriend was a hundred percent right about being worried and uncomfortable, considering she hosed the guy as soon as they broke up. Anyway, both are idiots, shove it into the giant pile.
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My[22F] mother [50sF] is really upset by my new piercing and wants to have a talk about how inconsiderate I amquote:Right.. On Wednesday I got a nose ring. I've wanted one for years and years, but haven't felt like I could get one. Now that I'm starting to be myself and explore the style I want to have, I decided on impulse that it was time to get one.
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