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deoju posted:https://twitter.com/VICE/status/923591809846140929 there's a feminism thread in TGRS that would be a good place for this sort of stuff.
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I am quoting the whole thing, because it's a doozy, and you're bound to recognize a few of the players if you pay attention to journalists. I Have A Confession to Make.. I'm Black. quote:I have a confession to make. I’m black. Check out the source, because I didn't link to all the sources and receipts they actually have.
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Chomskyan posted:I think you missed my point and are being pretty condescending, but if you want to post some links about the organizations you've mentioned feel free. Literally nobody is stopping you from doing something productive in this thread. In fact, I encourage you to do so Did you mean to quote a different post?
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botany posted:there's a feminism thread in TGRS that would be a good place for this sort of stuff. This too. Just noticed that this happened in Quebec, not the US, which is kinda surprising. Thought this might've been some shitheel elected judge
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Can we talk about how scary Jane Doe's story in Texas is, and what it reveals about where reproductive rights are going? They tried to force a 17yo in US Custody into being a walking incubator even though she wanted and had her own money to pay for her abortion. She just got her abortion yesterday, after a month of ACLU involvement. And she's not the only one it's happening to...
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poo poo I'm an idiot for over looking the location.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Can we talk about how scary Jane Doe's story in Texas is, and what it reveals about where reproductive rights are going? They tried to force a 17yo in US Custody into being a walking incubator even though she wanted and had her own money to pay for her abortion. She just got her abortion yesterday, after a month of ACLU involvement. And she's not the only one it's happening to... People in custody generally don't get humane access to medical care in the US.
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Trabisnikof posted:People in custody generally don't get humane access to medical care in the US. Also, in general, Americans wrongly believe that both prisoners and immigrants, especially undocumented immigrants and any overlap of those groups, don’t have meaningful rights or ought not to. Also also Americans still basically buy into “needing an abortion = slut” beliefs. The whole business between the Root and Intercept went way off the rails into crazy town when they started trying to FOIA other journalists goddamn.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Can we talk about how scary Jane Doe's story in Texas is, and what it reveals about where reproductive rights are going? They tried to force a 17yo in US Custody into being a walking incubator even though she wanted and had her own money to pay for her abortion. She just got her abortion yesterday, after a month of ACLU involvement. And she's not the only one it's happening to... I was lucky enough to get an IUD funded by the ACA right before trump got elected. I wanted to have secure birth control just in case of poo poo like this. If anyone who needs one can get an IUD (If you can get to one, Planned Parenthood will do it on a sliding scale fee if you don't have insurance.) I encourage you to do so. There are both hormonal and non-hormonal ones, and they come in a pretty big variety, so chances are you can find one right for you.
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Chomskyan posted:I think you missed my point and are being pretty condescending, but if you want to post some links about the organizations you've mentioned feel free. Literally nobody is stopping you from doing something productive in this thread. In fact, I encourage you to do so Then ease on back with the centrist labels, my man. Gimme a bit to get back to base and I’ll post some info.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Can we talk about how scary Jane Doe's story in Texas is, and what it reveals about where reproductive rights are going? They tried to force a 17yo in US Custody into being a walking incubator even though she wanted and had her own money to pay for her abortion. She just got her abortion yesterday, after a month of ACLU involvement. And she's not the only one it's happening to... Also the creepy statements about how the administration was her acting as her foster father.
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Koalas March posted:I am quoting the whole thing, because it's a doozy, and you're bound to recognize a few of the players if you pay attention to journalists. Check out the source, because I didn't link to all the sources and receipts they actually have. [/quote] yeah, the Fang/Jilani crew are real good on privacy issues and have no political compass beyond a vague sense of cultural liberalism on any others. that their reaction to someone hitting them from the left is "WHO IS PAYING YOU TO GO AFTER ME" is several million percent unsurprising
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Koalas March posted:I am quoting the whole thing, because it's a doozy, and you're bound to recognize a few of the players if you pay attention to journalists. I feel like this is a perfect example of how hosed up the current norms are. There seems to be an extrodinary amount of people who believe racism is over.
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Koalas March posted:I am quoting the whole thing, because it's a doozy, and you're bound to recognize a few of the players if you pay attention to journalists. Check out the source, because I didn't link to all the sources and receipts they actually have. [/quote] That was amazing.
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Koalas March posted:I am quoting the whole thing, because it's a doozy, and you're bound to recognize a few of the players if you pay attention to journalists. I don’t know much of Jilani and Fang, but what have seen from them, I thought they were dumbasses. This confirms my thought.
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theCalamity posted:I don’t know much of Jilani and Fang, but what have seen from them, I thought they were dumbasses. This confirms my thought. I think Fang had a super brief stint of popularity immediately after the 2016 election for stating some of the bullheaded behaviors driving the Democratic establishment, and then pretty much jumped off a cliff with two lead weights strapped to his feet at the fault of no one but himself.
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Ze Pollack posted:yeah, the Fang/Jilani crew are real good on privacy issues and have no political compass beyond a vague sense of cultural liberalism on any others. It’s funny because they could’ve hidden behind plausible deniability “well he’s just an establishment shill” until they decided to full on try and bludgeon him with the law to get at his sources. That’s some hosed up poo poo.
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Ytlaya posted:Yeah, posts along the lines of "heh if you're posting about politics on the internet, clearly you're a lazy do-nothing" are really obnoxious, especially since they're universally aimed at the left. I don't think I've ever seen someone on the left attack liberals in this same way. I think it's part of a broader strategy to try and slander the left as a bunch of immature whiny children (contrasted with the calm, reasonable liberal who Knows How To Get Things Done). I’ll tell you why my hackles are up. Couple of weeks ago, there was a minor kerfuffle about campaign literature. Justin Fairfax, Lt Gov candidate, is anti-pipeline. LiUNA, the people that would theoretically build said pipeline, withheld their endorsement and requested campaign literature that didn’t feature him. So the LiUNA only mailings had one thing without him, and one thing from the VA AFL-CIO with him. This somehow lead to leftist groups - your Our Revolution types and so on - to declare Ralph Northam a centrist appeaser who stabbed their ally in the back, and inferred racist motivation (Fairfax is the only POC on the ticket). They declared their refusal to vote for Northam and encouraged others to do the same. These are people who fought for Tom Periello, Northam’s primary opponent and Bernie-aligned dude who every union endorsed. Since the primary, they have made no phone calls, knocked no doors, and done nothing but complain on the internet. I won’t lie. I’ve had more goons show up via PM’s via these posts than leftists show up at my door. And I get irritated because our active base looks for reasons to identify out. Republicans, on the other hand, invariably identify IN, and I don’t know how to work on that.
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Fang's reply, fwiw https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/923588195182198784 Would be interested in knowing whether the FOIA request complies with journalistic ethics and whether he's made similar FOIAs against white journalists (though "journalists subject to FOIA" has to be a pretty small group). The Little Kielbasa fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Oct 26, 2017 |
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The Little Kielbasa posted:Fang's reply, fwiw https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/923588195182198784 I don't know about journalistic norms, but doing FOIA stuff is basically Fang's main role at The Intercept. Most of the articles he posts are straightforward "I sent a FOIA request, revealing that congressman X is being funded by Y" so it's not surprising that he would be sending them out.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:I’ll tell you why my hackles are up. I'm not saying this is the singular answer, but maybe because the culture of the party has been wrongheaded for 20+ years now. "The party of the worker" has largely been a fabrication bought by the voting base much the same way republicans sell that they are the "fiscally responsible" party. There's been largely no evidence of either from either side for decades, which is why we need younger people to replace those whom have decided already what the rules are even as circumstances worsen.
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The Little Kielbasa posted:Would be interested in knowing whether the FOIA request complies with journalism ethics and whether he's made similar FOIAs against white journalists (though "journalists subject to FOIA" has to be a pretty small group). This Twitter chain basically amounts to “No You.” Notably he asserts that Johnson isn’t a journalist at all, that he’s broken no stories, and is merely an opinion writer. His words, not mine. Make of that what you will.
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OurRev considered one of the co-authors of California's Single-Payer Bill to be "too establishment" in the primary for the CA-34 special election.
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Koalas March posted:I am quoting the whole thing, because it's a doozy, and you're bound to recognize a few of the players if you pay attention to journalists. Just got done reading the original article, and reading a little about Evans and Abrams Before I go into the behavior of the Georgia dems, I want to go into the behavior of fang et al. While the original piece doesn't pull any punches wrt bernie, I see no reason so far why any leftist would support Evans over Abrams. Abrams' campaign appears to discuss aid for the poor more than anything from Evans' campaign, which is actually p sparse on policy compared to Abrams. Further, while abrams talks about "access to affordable healthcare", so does Evans... however, Abrams has the endorsement of Nina turner, who we know is really and truly interested in no-one being left behind wrt healthcare regardless of financial situation. So, I cannot see any reason for fang and the others to go after the article author at all except because he's not particularly kind to the bernie left in his article. Which is p thin skinned and self-defeating imo cause Abrams seems like a great candidate and the main thrust of the article is the lovely way she's being treated by establishment dems despite that. So, in the original article, the author brings up the dems pulling the exact same bullshit they were pulling with ellison on Abrams. She's being cast as an angry black woman, she's being smeared as a lesbian (which is something no democrat should care about, not something that is the field of leftists or leftism at all) and dems are biting their nails over whether a black woman will drive working class voters away. This is p much the same kind of attacks ellison faced (cept sub lesbian with muslim) and iirc obama faced this bullshit too. And it's absolutely disgusting and needs to stop. Obama being black didn't stop him from being wildly popular, so dems pretending that it was just a fluke and this time the working class will spurn democrats because they ran a black person has to stop. In fact, I'd say anyone suggesting that bullshit needs to be driven out of the party themselves cause they are reinforcing white supremacy by "cowering" in the face of unmanifested racism. Hell, I'd say their concerns are a manifestation of racism itself. Condiv fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Oct 26, 2017 |
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Lightning Knight posted:Notably he asserts that Johnson isn’t a journalist at all, that he’s broken no stories, and is merely an opinion writer. His words, not mine. Make of that what you will. That's a pretty weird claim for Fang to be making when it is pretty clear that Johnson doesn't just write exclusively opinion pieces: https://kinja.com/drjasonpolitics
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Trabisnikof posted:People in custody generally don't get humane access to medical care in the US. Well this is a big pile o' bullshit. They're absolutely supposed to get access to medical care, by law. And even if they often don't it doesn't mean we shouldn't be upset when much-needed medical care is denied. She is in custody from getting caught at the border during a crossing and is in a US shelter until her case is settled, not in jail. Once they examined her in custody, they and she discovered she was pregnant - she had not previously known. This is when she decided she wanted an abortion and would pay for it, and when the government began intervening, as there is apparently a new policy coming from the Office of Refugee Resettlement that allows it to veto an unaccompanied minors’ abortion decision. They basically tried to hold her by force in the shelter they were keeping her in until it would be too late to abort. poo poo, a judge in Texas even allowed Jane Doe to get the judicial waiver the abortion under Texas law (by state law anyone under 18 must get consent from guardians/parents for abortions). She even got a guardian and attourney assigned by the state, who respected her decision and were going to transport her, until the federal government stepped in saying that doing so would be tantamount to “facilitating abortion.” Radish posted:Also the creepy statements about how the administration was her acting as her foster father. According to the ACLU, the man we have to blame for all this paternal 'we know what's better for her' creepiness is https://www.acf.hhs.gov/about/leadership/scott-lloyd Known for such hits as Knights of Columbus and Terri Schiavo http://www.kofc.org StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Oct 26, 2017 |
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deoju posted:https://twitter.com/VICE/status/923591809846140929 Not surprised it was in Qubec.
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Oxxidation posted:leftists and trump have a great deal in common with “allies” like you who needs enemies
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Raskolnikov38 posted:with “allies” like you who needs enemies Remember Oxxidation is a fulchrum clone. So, just a utter sociopath who doesn't want their taxes raised.
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Condiv posted:So, in the original article, the author brings up the dems pulling the exact same bullshit they were pulling with ellison on Abrams. She's being cast as an angry black woman, she's being smeared as a lesbian (which is something no democrat should care about, not something that is the field of leftists or leftism at all) and dems are biting their nails over whether a black woman will drive working class voters away. This is p much the same kind of attacks ellison faced (cept sub lesbian with muslim) and iirc obama faced this bullshit too. And it's absolutely disgusting and needs to stop. Obama being black didn't stop him from being wildly popular, so dems pretending that it was just a fluke and this time the working class will spurn democrats because they ran a black person has to stop. In fact, I'd say anyone suggesting that bullshit needs to be driven out of the party themselves cause they are reinforcing white supremacy by "cowering" in the face of unmanifested racism. Hell, I'd say their concerns are a manifestation of racism itself. This is a great post overall but I think it's worth pointing out that the sexuality smear is especially insidious because we're talking about Georgia and a black woman and it's an extremely obvious play for non-black suburbanites to be hateful towards her. Trabisnikof posted:That's a pretty weird claim for Fang to be making when it is pretty clear that Johnson doesn't just write exclusively opinion pieces: https://kinja.com/drjasonpolitics lmao Of course the black guy "isn't a real journalist" and "has broken no stories" what a prick ahaha. The fucker deleted the tweet though or at least I can't find it.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:with “allies” like you who needs enemies Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!
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By the way Trump is giving some speech or whatever on the opioid crisis - not that you care, or should.
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Nevvy Z posted:Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room! that room was huge, they totally could have set up a wrestling or boxing ring next to the giant table
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Office Pig posted:By the way Trump is giving some speech or whatever on the opioid crisis - not that you care, or should. Is this week finally the time for the ~state of emergency~??? note: no, no it is not. edit: boner confessor posted:yeah it's printed on your pay stub dude (quote is from the trump thread) I have a question: is there any serious talk or movement to try and make reducing or eliminating sales taxes at the local and state level and replacing them with progressive income taxes a thing on the left? I feel like it ought to be and that it would help poorer people who make less money, based on what I know of tax systems, but maybe I'm super dumb and wrong (I'm super dumb and wrong anyways). Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Oct 26, 2017 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:that room was huge, they totally could have set up a wrestling or boxing ring next to the giant table Remember, the original ending had them engage in a pie fight. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Oct 26, 2017 |
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Your Boy Fancy posted:So the House just passed the tax cutting thing by four votes and you all are still banging on about Hillary Clinton, huh? What exactly do you want to talk about WRT the tax cut because if you want we can just have half a page of "Yes. That is bad." like, what exactly do people who downvote threads with actual debating want out of a D&D thread. Dadchat and Trump TVIV?
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Talmonis posted:This thread is a prime example of why we're going to get crushed again in 2018 and likely 2020. The far leftists among us loving despise "Liberals" even more than centrists Which is why a greater proportion of Sanders supporters turned out for Clinton in 2016, than Clinton supporters turned out for Obama in 2008.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:I’ll tell you why my hackles are up. Maybe they shouldn't have betrayed Fairfax and sold out to corporate interests. It's pretty transparent that lobbying dollars are more important than representing voters and their interests. So why wouldn't people be excited and passionate about knocking and doors to usher in a group that dropped them at the first wiggle of a checkbook?
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Crowsbeak posted:Remember Oxxidation is a fulchrum clone. So, just a utter sociopath who doesn't want their taxes raised. What's your end game Crowsbeak? I mean you've been trying to radicalize people here a long time. At least one of our more notable accelerationists is from you. What radicalized you?
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Las Vegas shooting victims are receiving death threats from conspiracy theorists who believe they are actors and can't afford their medical bills on top of it.
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