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Plutonis posted:Everything involved with the core of the United $nakes of Amerikkka should be corrupt and evil "Good" news about the real world!
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Nov 6, 2017 10:04
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ProfessorCirno posted:"Good" news about the real world! I got this fixed Idea on my head and I think Covok should use this instead. Thesis and Antithesis of the Three Pillars of the US, the Gods and Antigods. Plunder - Frick :: Mother Jones Conquest - Jackson :: Crazy Horse Submission - Davis :: Douglass
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Nov 6, 2017 15:00
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Plutonis posted:I'm glad that Fox now has stopped giving a poo poo since Disney won't let them make money out of X-Men merchandise and licensing and thus decided to make the new X-Men movie a loving horror movie Gah!!! https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/06/21st-century-fox-has-been-holding-talks-to-sell-most-of-company-to-disney-sources.html
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Nov 6, 2017 21:54
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Oh hey, another finger on my monkey's paw has curled shut.
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Nov 6, 2017 21:57
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The talks seem to have already died, according to Bloomberg.
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Nov 6, 2017 22:02
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FMguru posted:They've really driven themselves into a ditch and I don't see any easy way out of it. I'd suggest a burn-it-all-to-the-ground line wide reboot of the universe, but they just did that with the horrifically botched Secret Wars event, and see above about people treating giant events with extreme skepticism. Alien Rope Burn posted:Trying to "solve continuity" is poisonous notion more often than not, in my experience, or a placebo on the greater issues with the industry at best. It just ignores the fact that the comics industry is made up of fans who like bringing back popular ideas whether or not they're "in continuity", so any attempt to wipe the slate clean just gets the same material dragged back in again and again. Continuity is a scapegoat but is almost never the actual problem, IMO. Zoro posted:It worked really well for Star Wars though.   Star Wars is no exception--they junked the EU and are now selectively reintroducing stuff that, with many years of hindsight, is considered the good stuff. Namely Thrawn. Alien Rope Burn posted:Was Secret Empire a huge blunder? Sure was. So was Countdown. Or Arena. Or U Decide. Or Armageddon. Or Atlantis Attacks. Or Secret Wars II. And you can go back before event books, they didn't have pithy names to call out by, but there's a long history of cringe-worthy comics. Ratoslov posted:Why would I want to play a Vocaloid TRPG where I can't play a Vocaloid? Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Nov 6, 2017 |
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Nov 6, 2017 22:09
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Thrawn was never really good, he simply had the benefit of being not as bad compared to a lot of other EU stuff.
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Nov 6, 2017 22:22
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Oh hell, I never actually read that lowbrow crap. I had Shadowrun novels to enjoy.
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Nov 6, 2017 22:28
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I"d take a Thrawn/Kyle Katarn series movie adaptation or over the Disney movies
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Nov 6, 2017 22:29
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Plutonis posted:I"d take a Thrawn/Kyle Katarn series movie adaptation or over the Disney movies Bad-Opinion.Txt
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Nov 6, 2017 22:35
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Halloween Jack posted:Oh hell, I never actually read that lowbrow crap. I had Shadowrun novels to enjoy. A Shadowrun novel has the dubious distinction of being one of the worst things I've ever read in my life. My mother bought it for me because she knew I liked RPGs. It had something to do with cybernetic vampires, I think, and it was so atrocious that I never actually finished it.
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Nov 6, 2017 22:45
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To be fair, I've only heard of that one because it gets singled out as one of the very worst. A 40 on the curb for Nigel D. Findley.
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Nov 6, 2017 22:53
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Thrawn is a perfectly adequate Star Wars villain, as long as you only consider the original trilogy he was in and ignore all the fake clone bullshit and whatever else came after that. (It was fun to see him in the TIE Fighter video game, though.) His right hand Captain Pellaeon had a legitimately okay character arc beyond the trilogy. Shame it was in all those Star Wars books.
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Nov 6, 2017 22:55
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Halloween Jack posted:Atlantis Attacks may or may not have been bad, but it was not an all-consuming event that formed the basis of the company's business model for a year. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there, but okay. If you're saying "old comics didn't do that", I'll just hold up Secret Wars II and make it do a little dance. Yes, there was a time companies never did that, but you'd have to dial things further than three decades back to find that time. It's all dictated by sales, and maybe if nobody bought Secret Empire, it wouldn't happen again, but people did. Sure it "sold badly", but it sold badly for an event book, which is still gangbusters compared to most comics. I remember Tom Breevort pointing out that every time people got really angry over a story twist the book sold well, and that he didn't understand why that was, they learned to stop worrying too much about blowback. A controversial book isn't going to kill comic events, sadly - the only thing that can kill them is people not caring at all. And maybe that'll happen someday, but it seems less and less likely right now given how much of media is trying to find ways to replicate comics' secret sauce. Kai Tave posted:Thrawn was never really good, he simply had the benefit of being not as bad compared to a lot of other EU stuff. Truth.
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Nov 6, 2017 23:03
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Nah, they just get generally marketed more towards a bookstore audience than the core comic readership, where things are more likely to vanish amongst the far larger market. They're now saying that a really successful superhero comic issue will only sell around 50,000 copies total, but then we've still got the issue that we have no idea what the digital sales are actually like, which is the one area where superhero comics seem to be growing rather than retreating into being an IP farm for blockbusters.
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Nov 6, 2017 23:09
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Ewen Cluney posted:They're now saying that a really successful superhero comic issue will only sell around 50,000 copies total, but then we've still got the issue that we have no idea what the digital sales are actually like, which is the one area where superhero comics seem to be growing rather than retreating into being an IP farm for blockbusters. Those sorts of figures are for individual issues, and usually sourced through Diamond, whose sales figures are easily manipulated through double shipping shenanigans or even unintentional factors like loot crates, too. The overall readership of American comics is definitely shrinking, but it's hard to say how much of that is readers lapsing from comics entirely vs shifting towards Comixology, buying trades off Amazon, or even subscribing to Marvel Unlimited for their cape comic fix.
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Nov 7, 2017 01:17
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One thing definitely mumbling things is how little the companies themselves might care. I ran the numbers, but, at Marvel's current price for a comic, assuming they sell 1,000,000 comics total a month, their yearly revenue off comics is 10.4% of what they have made currently in profit off Thor: Ragnarok. To match that profit, they'd need to sell at least 10,000,000 comics a month. And that's after only 1 weekend in theaters, though I am using domestic and foreign revenue. When one movie supersedes your profits from comics so heavily, it does make you wonder if you're in the wrong business. And, frankly, I certainly feel this in the comics themselves. They basically said "gently caress the X-Men" for years and tried to push Inhumans as the new X-Men until the Inhuman tv series (originally a movie) flopped so bad they finally stopped bothering and tried (and failed) to just buy the movie rights for the X-Men back instead.
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Nov 7, 2017 01:30
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you do know comic book movies aren't the only thing fox does, right
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Nov 7, 2017 01:34
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What does Fox have to do with non X-Men marvel movies?
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Nov 7, 2017 01:37
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Brother Entropy posted:you do know comic book movies aren't the only thing fox does, right I still feel like the talks started out with just buying FF4 and the X-Men and spiraled from there.
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Nov 7, 2017 01:45
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Kwyndig posted:What does Fox have to do with non X-Men marvel movies? Fox owns the right to make X-Men movies. Some people think because of this Marvel was intentionally trying to sink the X-Men comics. This is despite the fact that they were publishing like 20 X-Men or related characters books monthly.
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neaden posted:Fox owns the right to make X-Men movies. Some people think because of this Marvel was intentionally trying to sink the X-Men comics. This is despite the fact that they were publishing like 20 X-Men or related characters books monthly. Dude, they didn't do that till RessurXection. They were too busy pushing the Inhumans. Until they realized that was a failed strategy.
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Nov 7, 2017 02:07
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marvel's also been all over the loving place on which video games can/can't have the x-men or the f4 at any given time
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neaden posted:Fox owns the right to make X-Men movies. Some people think because of this Marvel was intentionally trying to sink the X-Men comics. This is despite the fact that they were publishing like 20 X-Men or related characters books monthly. I wouldn't say trying to sink exactly, but they've been a lot more enthused about other areas of the Marvel Universe for a long time. Like even after the speculation crash the X-Men were still tops in sales and such but they kept trying to push out Avengers and related stuff and insisted it was good, it was great! They actually published a few books that were kinda good even, and also stuff like Civil War that was not good, and also sidelined the X-Men almost completely. I don't know if that had anything to do with the movies or not, I mean Bendis's obsession with Luke Cage and Hank Pym seems to come from a sincere place, but the push for the Inhumans definitely seems related to focusing on stuff they have rights to.
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The scuttlebutt is that the Inhumans push to try and replace the X-Men role-wise was mainly the brainchild of Isaac Perlmutter, CEO of Marvel. It feels like it's likely to falter now that it's been fumbling on the TV side of things as well as failing on the publishing side of things. The head of Marvel Studios, Kevin Feige, only really seemed to tolerate it for internal political reasons and once Perlmutter was pushed out of having influence over Marvel Studios, it died as a movie proposal and likely isn't going to make it very far on TV without a Christmas miracle. The Inhumans will likely continue to get shoved on comic audiences for awhile but I don't think many people even at Marvel are under the delusion that the experiment has been a success outside of Ms. Marvel, nor do I think it ever had much in the way of true believers. The whole thing felt transparently forced from the start.
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neaden posted:Fox owns the right to make X-Men movies. Some people think because of this Marvel was intentionally trying to sink the X-Men comics. This is despite the fact that they were publishing like 20 X-Men or related characters books monthly. This isn't an answer to my question.
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Nov 7, 2017 03:08
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Blasphemeral posted:Yeah, because that's not exciting on the page. This is referred to by the shorthand "Reed Richards is Useless". Honestly, as far as Reed goes, I think the better take is that he's actually a villain. The comics have been leaning that way for years, between him causing Civil War and World War Hulk out of his own arrogance, and his primary adversary being Doom. Who runs a literal utopia, and is genreally content to stay home until Reed antagonizes him.
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Nov 7, 2017 03:26
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Liquid Communism posted:Honestly, as far as Reed goes, I think the better take is that he's actually a villain. The comics have been leaning that way for years, between him causing Civil War and World War Hulk out of his own arrogance, and his primary adversary being Doom. Who runs a literal utopia, and is genreally content to stay home until Reed antagonizes him. Too late, they already have an alternate timeline mainstay evil Red Richards, Maker. So, doing it to 616 Reed as well would be redundant.
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Zoro posted:Too late, they already have an alternate timeline mainstay evil Red Richards, Maker. So, doing it to 616 Reed as well would be redundant. Which is a shame, because there's a good story there about how a 50's superscientist who has never, ever considered that society has changed discovers he's become the bad guy.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there, but okay. If you're saying "old comics didn't do that", I'll just hold up Secret Wars II and make it do a little dance. For comparison, Secret Wars II had about 50 tie-in issues including a Secret Wars II miniseries. Civil War had more than three times that, including fourteen eponymous titles, and touched on nearly every corner of the Marvel Universe that wasn't literally in another part of the galaxy. Even the Blade ongoing had an issue devoted to Civil War, and that was getting off light. Atlantis Attacks ran in summer annuals. If you were an X-book reader, you'd hardly notice Acts of Vengeance was happening. The same can't be said for storylines like World War Hulk and Secret Invasion. quote:It's all dictated by sales, and maybe if nobody bought Secret Empire, it wouldn't happen again, but people did. Sure it "sold badly", but it sold badly for an event book, which is still gangbusters compared to most comics. I remember Tom Breevort pointing out that every time people got really angry over a story twist the book sold well, and that he didn't understand why that was, they learned to stop worrying too much about blowback.
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Ratoslov posted:Why would I want to play a Vocaloid TRPG where I can't play a Vocaloid? They’re supposed to have no personality and no continuity. So I don’t think playing one would be much fun.
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Nov 7, 2017 13:40
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"I want to use my protection ability" "Alright, sing World Is Mine."
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Nov 7, 2017 14:10
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Halloween Jack posted:I didn't say anything about how well event books sell. I don't care. Well, also bear in mind that Marvel published a lot less books in the 80s, too, but it is true that events have become more invasive and sprawling. I think part of what lets me enjoy comics long-term is just a practiced cynicism and I think that's all I'm really trying to pass on. I generally tend to tune out events that I'm not interested in; I don't think raging against them does much more than promote them. People would ask me what I thought of Secret Empire and my answer would be a legitimate, puzzled "I don't care?" Just because Marvel or DC sat a comic matters doesn't make it actually matter, and I think its a good survival instinct to avoid burning out by reading comics I don't enjoy. I might read it down the road, but right now I'm more than busy enough catching up with Hickman's work on Fantastic Four. It's much the same response I give regarding D&D 5e, come to think of it. It may be popular, but it's too exhausting to care.
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Waffleman_ posted:"I want to use my protection ability" Rocks fall. Sing the P-names or everyone dies 
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Nov 7, 2017 15:16
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The Black Rock Shooter class is kinda OP.
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I keep up with comics by reading the plot summaries on Wikipedia every few years. It's the best way because you're reading something about hydra and then you get things like " was defeated by Jubilee (recently turned into a vampire by Dracula)" with no context. Splicer fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Nov 7, 2017 |
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Nov 7, 2017 16:08
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Splicer posted:I keep up with comics by reading the plot summaries on Wikipedia every few years. Jubilee has been a vampire since the 90s. Everyone if it doesn't read X-Men just find it weird. Vampires used to be very big in Marvel. Technically Falcons pet is a vampire. But Marvel just kind of forgot vampires exist recently so everyone forgets that they care about them.
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Having vocaloids as NPC-only support characters in an RPG would work if the PCs are a squadron of destroid or valkyire pilots.
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Zoro posted:Jubilee has been a vampire since the 90s. Everyone if it doesn't read X-Men just find it weird. Vampires used to be very big in Marvel. Technically Falcons pet is a vampire. But Marvel just kind of forgot vampires exist recently so everyone forgets that they care about them.
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