Comic Book Movie Megathread: Bubble? What bubble?

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Alexander Hamilton: Dec 29, 2008

Just watched the DC movies in preparation for Justice League and Goddamn do I love Man of Steel. I love how Kevin Costner�s actions don�t line up to his words and it ends up being his actions that make Clark a superhero. I love Martha�s reaction to finding out that Clark found his real family and I love how simple and easily Clark & Lois fall in love because why wouldn�t they? It�s such a sweet movie surrounded by a bunch of bombasity.

Also, the shot in BvS of Superman hovering over the weeping mother as she reaches her hand out towards him is probably the best shot in comic book movie history. It�s so great. You can feel Snyder�s religious fervor coming through the screen.

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# ? May 27, 2024 21:22

Darko: Dec 23, 2004

Doctor Spaceman posted:

The Dark Knight Returns features an aging Bruce Wayne who returns to the role of Batman after a decade-long absence, and who suffers a humiliating defeat the first time he faces the Mutant Gang leader. I admit saying it had the same arc might have been a bit inaccurate given they end in different places.

It's hardly the only source of inspiration (No Man's Land and Knightfall are the obvious other stories Rises draws from) but it's one of the most influential and well-regarded Batman stories of all time. It helped redefine people's expectations of a Batman story, so while the idea of an old Batman returning to the field might once have been a bold idea now it's one of the standard concepts for a story (see also Batman v Superman).

Dark Knight Returns features a Batman who goes into retirement, comes back out, and kicks rear end - finally ending by "beating" Superman and going underground as training Batmen forever.

Dark Knight Rises features a Batman who quits after like a year of being Batman and tries to make clean energy for Gotham, figures out it could become a bomb and shelves it, becomes a recluse, gets drawn out by a new guy and tries to be Batman again, alienates everyone from his life, fails miserably at being Batman again, realizes that being Batman is dumb and empowers the city instead, still fails again and gets bailed out by the "city" (Selina), realizes that he might have to shoot guns and kill people at times to succeed, and then quits being Batman for good.

Here are a few of the main things it did completely different than the comics, and what people VERY VOCALLY complained about when it came out - on these forums as well, but also places like AICN and Reddit if you want to see it for yourself:

- Batman was only Batman for a short time and stopped being Batman
- Batman alienated Alfred
- Batman would never quit being Batman (probably the biggest one)
- Batman would never shoot a gun and kill someone
- Why does Bane talk and act like that

# ? Nov 13, 2017 16:36

Guy A. Person: May 23, 2003

You forgot "how'd he get back to Gotham so fast??"

# ? Nov 13, 2017 16:40

Darko: Dec 23, 2004

Guy A. Person posted:

You forgot "how'd he get back to Gotham so fast??"

Oh yes, that's from the people who apparently didn't see Begins where a penniless on purpose Bruce traveled the world for shits and giggles. That one was a big head scratcher for me.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 16:44

John Wick of Dogs: Mar 4, 2017; A real hellraiser

Darko posted:

Oh yes, that's from the people who apparently didn't see Begins where a penniless on purpose Bruce traveled the world for shits and giggles. That one was a big head scratcher for me.

Well that's simple, he just followed the rules of the road. Grass, gas, or rear end.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 16:49

Dark_Tzitzimine: Oct 9, 2012; by R. Guyovich

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The new Batman movie being developed by Matt Reeves (War for the Planet of the Apes) is �something I�m contemplating,� says Affleck, who originally was tapped to direct. �You don�t do it forever, so I want to find a graceful and cool way to segue out of it.�

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...roes/856019001/

Well that was fast.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 17:02

Super Fan: Jul 16, 2011; by FactsAreUseless

I wonder why Affleck wants out so bad

# ? Nov 13, 2017 17:06

John Wick of Dogs: Mar 4, 2017; A real hellraiser

If they made the Batman movie Affleck handing the cowl to Nightwing and had Nightwing as Batman going forward that would be pretty sweet. 0% chance though.

Bring Affleck back as old Bruce in 15 years for Batman Beyond.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 17:11

Dark_Tzitzimine: Oct 9, 2012; by R. Guyovich

And there's this

quote:

�Wonder Woman� star Gal Gadot is continuing to battle accused Hollywood sexual harasser Brett Ratner by refusing to sign up for a super�hero sequel unless the moviemaker is completely killed from the franchise.

A Hollywood source tells Page Six that Gadot � who last month backed out of a dinner honoring Ratner, where she was due to present him with an award � is taking a strong stance on sexual harassment in Hollywood and doesn�t want her hit �Wonder Woman� franchise to benefit a man accused of sexual misconduct.

Ratner�s production company RatPac-Dune Entertainment helped produce �Wonder Woman� as part of its co-financing deal with Warner Bros. The movie has grossed more than $400 million internationally, and Ratner�s company will take a healthy share of the profits. A Warner Bros. insider explained, �Brett made a lot of money from the success of �Wonder Woman,� thanks to his company having helped finance the first movie. Now Gadot is saying she won�t sign for the sequel unless Warner Bros. buys Brett out [of his financing deal] and gets rid of him.�

The source added of Israeli-born Gadot, �She�s tough and stands by her principles. She also knows the best way to hit people like Brett Ratner is in the wallet. She also knows that Warner Bros. has to side with her on this issue as it develops. They can�t have a movie rooted in women�s empowerment being part-financed by a man �accused of sexual misconduct against women.�

https://pagesix.com/2017/11/11/gal-gadot-will-only-be-wonder-woman-again-if-brett-ratner-is-out/amp/

# ? Nov 13, 2017 17:16

Serf: May 5, 2011

i dunno how you can turn down what is presumably a cement truck full of money to play batman

# ? Nov 13, 2017 17:18

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

I don't think Affleck is hurting for money, or job offers

# ? Nov 13, 2017 17:20

Hodgepodge: Jan 29, 2006; Can't post for 213 days!

Al Borland Corp. posted:

Well that's simple, he just followed the rules of the road. Grass, gas, or rear end.

That doesn't really work for intercontinental flights, though.

Given that Nolan's perspective is firmly that of a very wealthy person's fantasies throughout the series, I think we're supposed to assume he just bootstraps his way around the world.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 17:45

Rough Lobster: May 27, 2009; Don't be such a squid, bro

Serf posted:

i dunno how you can turn down what is presumably a cement truck full of money to play batman

He's already rich and Justice League looks terrible so he's preparing to bear the brunt of angry fanboy attacks.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 18:00

Name Change: Oct 9, 2005

Rough Lobster posted:

He's already rich and Justice League looks terrible so he's preparing to bear the brunt of angry fanboy attacks.

He did well enough in BVS that people complained about everything but his acting, so I think Ben will be fine either way.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 18:03

Serf: May 5, 2011

Dexo posted:

I don't think Affleck is hurting for money, or job offers

drat wonder what that's like

# ? Nov 13, 2017 18:04

Jimbot: Jul 22, 2008

Serf posted:

drat wonder what that's like

Broken system working as intended.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 18:05

got any sevens: Feb 9, 2013; by Cyrano4747

Rough Lobster posted:

He's already rich and Justice League looks terrible so he's preparing to bear the brunt of angry fanboy attacks.

You either die a hero or live to become hated by fanboys

Gal Gadot finally developing a conscience is funny. Also didnt affleck creep on some women too? Or at least knew about weinstein

# ? Nov 13, 2017 18:10

viral spiral: Sep 19, 2017; by R. Guyovich

Super Fan posted:

I wonder why Affleck wants out so bad

Because he knows where this DC dumpster fire is headed. Look at him in the promotional interviews for JL; it's so evidently clear he doesn't give a gently caress about this role anymore.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 18:17

Gatts: Jan 2, 2001; Goodnight Moon; Nap Ghost

Don't blame him. Fanboys are terrible burden and he can go back to making good movies.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 18:23

Happy Noodle Boy: Jul 3, 2002

Gatts posted:

Don't blame him. Fanboys are terrible burden and he can go back to making good movies.

New Jay and Silent Bob should be pretty good.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 18:24

Sir Kodiak: May 14, 2007

Gatts posted:

Don't blame him. Fanboys are terrible burden and he can go back to making good movies.

And here I thought I was the only one who kinda liked Live by Night.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 18:27

DLC Inc: Jun 1, 2011

affleck has looked miserable ever since his divorce so I assume he just wants to loving quit everything and direct instead, which is a shame because the misery he brings to the role is great

# ? Nov 13, 2017 18:32

McCloud: Oct 27, 2005

Alexander Hamilton posted:

Just watched the DC movies in preparation for Justice League and Goddamn do I love Man of Steel. I love how Kevin Costner�s actions don�t line up to his words and it ends up being his actions that make Clark a superhero.

Didn't he though? I feel he backed up what he was saying. When Clark asks if he should have let those kids die, he says "maybe" because Clark isn't ready yet. And when it was him in that position, he stood firm and told Clark to stay put. He's very consistent in both words and actions.

Also, recently saw Thor 3, and I felt the movie was a bit...odd.

This is a movie where the "good guys" carved a bloody swathe through the galaxy, amassing power and wealth and creating a galactic hegemony, whitewashed its history, and then became refugees as their home was destroyed by literal satan..but it's also treated as a giant joke?

The director seems to be treating some of the serious themes with flippant disregard, to the point I have to wonder if he's trying to make a point about Marvels phobia of "serious" moments or if I'm just imagining things.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 18:37

The Cameo: Jan 20, 2005

There's probably a few different things, including stuff like jockeying for leverage whenever Warners does try to bring him back after The Batman as maybe he fulfills the # of movies on his original deal then and can get a lot more money for the role, not having fun playing the character or being on set for this stuff anymore (say what you will about the results, but Zack does seem to make a very enjoyable set for everyone, a rarity on productions of the size he's working on), recognizing that he's burning away time he could be making poo poo he wants to make on shooting and reshooting and junketing for the same basic thing over and over again, and the realization that the moment you play Batman, all anyone gives a poo poo about is Batman, and it colors everything you try to do.

That and his life has been perpetually falling apart for a year or two now and he'd probably like to get off the train, please

# ? Nov 13, 2017 18:40

Megaman's Jockstrap: Jul 16, 2000; What a horrible thread to have a post.

CelticPredator posted:

I don't have a Superman. I've never read a Superman comic in my whole life.

CelticPredator, I actually like your refreshing honesty about your expectations re: Superman's behavior quite a bit. You don't pretend there's some magic storytelling rule that is being broken or w/e. You just say "well that's not how I want the character to behave, that's not a very good interpretation, full stop. Save a kitten or something, Superman."

Nothing wrong with that. But you must understand that is EXACTLY what "Not My Superman" is!

# ? Nov 13, 2017 18:52

Guy A. Person: May 23, 2003

The Cameo posted:

the realization that the moment you play Batman, all anyone gives a poo poo about is Batman, and it colors everything you try to do.

This is the one I keep coming back to. He was trying so hard to promote Live by Night and people would just hammer him with questions about The Batman and then LbN bombed hard.

That has to at some point resemble some kind of abstract and brilliant personal hell. Everyone says BvS sucked but that you did well in it but meanwhile the movie you actually created yourself nobody gives a poo poo about and did about 2% of the box office of the big dumb movie that everyone is obsessing over

# ? Nov 13, 2017 18:58

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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Kinda assume he had a great time working on BvS and has had less great time working on JL. That and whatever happened with him and directing a Batman film.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 18:59

Rough Lobster: May 27, 2009; Don't be such a squid, bro

I wish I'd be psyched about him leaving Batman and going back to directing, but just to remind myself I looked as his directing credits and yep I don't like any of those either! Hopefully he decides to, I dunno, refurbish some property in California wine country and press grapes for a living.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 19:08

Neo Rasa: Mar 8, 2007; Everyone should play DUKE games.

Guy A. Person posted:

You forgot "how'd he get back to Gotham so fast??"

This was one of the best ones. Can't believe this world famous super resourceful billionaire was able to travel somewhere.

Darko posted:

Dark Knight Returns features a Batman who goes into retirement, comes back out, and kicks rear end - finally ending by "beating" Superman and going underground as training Batmen forever.

Dark Knight Rises features a Batman who quits after like a year of being Batman and tries to make clean energy for Gotham, figures out it could become a bomb and shelves it, becomes a recluse, gets drawn out by a new guy and tries to be Batman again, alienates everyone from his life, fails miserably at being Batman again, realizes that being Batman is dumb and empowers the city instead, still fails again and gets bailed out by the "city" (Selina), realizes that he might have to shoot guns and kill people at times to succeed, and then quits being Batman for good.

Here are a few of the main things it did completely different than the comics, and what people VERY VOCALLY complained about when it came out - on these forums as well, but also places like AICN and Reddit if you want to see it for yourself:

- Batman was only Batman for a short time and stopped being Batman
- Batman alienated Alfred
- Batman would never quit being Batman (probably the biggest one)
- Batman would never shoot a gun and kill someone
- Why does Bane talk and act like that

You can see all the vocal fanboy complaints in one place in this rant of a review. IIRC this review was mostly written this way due to bitterness about Christopher Nolan not personally getting in touch with him to provide set visits and presents.

Harry Knowles posted:

Harry is profoundly disappointed with DARK KNIGHT RISES!
Published at: July 19, 2012, 2:05 a.m. CST by headgeek

Profound disappointment.

Those are the two words that absolutely encapsulates the feeling I have at this exact moment.

I loved THE DARK KNIGHT. Since its release, I�ve watched it perhaps a good dozen times already. The only reason I want to see DARK KNIGHT RISES again, is to see the MAN OF STEEL trailer in front of it.

Make no bones about it � Nolan captures majestic imagery from time to time, but mostly it feels like he�s bored with the story and the characters. He and his brother have constructed a film which seems overtly designed to piss off anyone that loves this world and this group of characters.

I loving love BATMAN. You�ll see the excitement I had when I taped my show last week. I�m practically vibrating with enthusiasm to see the movie. That was absolutely the case when I pulled up to the Bob Bullock IMAX here in Austin today. I showed up two & a half hours early for a film that I reserved seats for. Why? Because what if something went wrong? What if somehow, I didn�t get to see it? I can�t live with that, so I showed up early. I showed up early to talk with my friends, and there wasn�t a single bit of hesitancy about how much we thought we were going to love this.

After the Schumacher years, we fans of BATMAN greeted Nolan with open arms. Bringing a man known for his love of Film Noir and classical cinematic techniques� it was a marriage made in heaven. The first in the series was a wonderful start to the franchise. I liked it completely. DARK KNIGHT � DARK KNIGHT I found to be revelatory. At every level I loved it. There�s not a second of the film I don�t love.

DARK KNIGHT RISES�

The set up would have us believe that after the events of THE DARK KNIGHT, that Batman hung his cape and cowl up, because apparently the death of Harvey Dent triggered a series of sweeping law enforcement initiatives that completely shut down organized crime in Gotham. Some HARVEY DENT act was passed which apparently made it so criminals would never be paroled or set loose. So crime is no longer a problem in Gotham.

That isn�t why BATMAN has hung it up, it�s actually because of Maggie Gyllenhaal�s character death in THE DARK KNIGHT.

BULLSHIT!

I call absolute BULLSHIT on that notion right there. BATMAN/BRUCE WAYNE isn�t some soft-hearted slob that hides for the majority of a decade because somebody killed his girlfriend. If anything, that�s why he hits the street. The elimination of organized crime isn�t what pulls him off the street� it�s stopping street crime, any crime. He fights in the night so the only people that fear the streets at night are the cockroaches that prey upon loving humanity. He�s loving BATMAN. BATMAN doesn�t mope around his mansion unmotivated to participate in the loving world. He isn�t that kind of person.

We discover Bruce walking around with a cane in his mansion. Seemingly still fit, but when he catches Selina Kyle stealing his mother�s pearls� He gets his legs swept and she heads out a window while he looks like a completely lost person. Bullshit.

Alfred leaving Bruce Wayne to handle this mess himself. Bullshit. Alfred Pennyworth is there to the bitter end. It�s his nature. Loyalty. Alfred is Bruce�s witness. The man who never fails to pick him up after a scrap. A man that would watch him fall, just to put him back together again. ALFRED does not throw a hissy and runs off. And certainly Bruce Wayne isn�t the type to let a letter by an ex-lover come between him in Alfred. TOO MUCH WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE.

BANE � I�m the guy that originally championed Tom Hardy as being in anything, because I loving love Tom Hardy. Watching his performances in films from BRONSON to now � he�s never disappointed. He doesn�t disappoint here, the disappointment comes from Bane utter lack of ferocity. The fights are all toe to toe fights, Batman doesn�t use his environment. Bane never gets super-strength. Though apparently they can punch into marble & knock chunks of it out � but the multiple fights between BANE & Batman are the exact opposite of cinematic. They�re tracking shot fights. You never feel the blows. Every punch Mr. T or Ivan Drago threw in a Rocky movie would devastate BANE. The intelligence that Tom Hardy plays into BANE is good, but at no time do I get the sense that he�s on, oh, say� DOC SAVAGE�s scale � the character upon which BANE was originally built. No, this Bane, like in Schumacher�s BATMAN & ROBIN is again revealed to be a pet� essentially a guard dog. BANE is no longer South American. You never get a sense of the character�s ferocity. Every neck snap � every destruction of a human being is done off camera. The punches where he cracks Batman�s cowl are the only ones that elicited an audible reaction from the crowd. Every fight that Stallone has ever fought in any film in which he�s ever fought � is better than this. Taking VENOM out of the equation� taking the Superhuman out of Bane, the hoses into his body, the impossible physique it creates� it just makes it look like Batman is a pussy. Making Ra�s Al Ghul responsible for BANE�s training � is enraging. That for a bit, they want us to believe Bane is the son of Al Ghul�. Well I found that fairly loving insulting too.

BATMAN/BRUCE WAYNE � I like Christian Bale�s performance as this character. I hate where the Nolan�s took his character for this story. The �breaking of his back� is handled in a manner of least power. I mean, if you know the KNIGHTFALL story � you�re gonna roll your eyes. After the film, I went out to dinner with some friends that attended and the aggravation with the film was felt throughout the table.

I love this character. One of my best friends is Paul Dini, he was a groomsman at my wedding. I�ve spent countless geeky conversations talking Batman and these characters with him � and watching this �FINAL� story play out. It�s just loving ridiculous.

I put SPOILER WARNINGS ALL OVER THIS � BECAUSE I HAVE TO DISCUSS THE ATROCIOUS END OF THIS TRAVESTY�. But this is where I�m going to go into it. So do not scan down, do not read the talkbacks. If you want to know � go ahead, but steer clear otherwise�.

OK � now we�re talking about the final act of the film. OH WAIT � before that, let�s get into the boring as gently caress middle of this travesty. The first act of the film is slowly building the coming of BANE. Gotham has come upon a new day, crime free. So they�re completely unprepared for what�s coming. The Football incident we�ve seen in the trailers, yeah� That is indeed the biggest thing that happens in the film. Bane doesn�t blow up the city, buildings do not topple. That straight up shot of the city going to pieces and the light becomes the bat symbol? That�s just a promo image � we never see that scale of devastation. No, what happens is that Bane blows all the bridges but one. Basically turning Manhattan into an island. He�s got a bomb that�s blast radius of 6 miles essentially means � everyone on the island will die� eventually. Bane introduces his master plan at that football game, rolls out the largest Nuke device I�ve seen in a flick since the original bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Only one person in the world can disarm it and Bane kills him in front of everyone, telling the world that there is a regular citizen in the city with the trigger� but the device will go off all on its own in like 90 days or so.

At this point BATMAN is in a prison somewhere in the world (shot in India � it�s supposed to be the same place that BANE was raised in � but is definitely not Caribbean in nature) This is done so quickly that you�re not really sure how or when exactly Bane decided to take Bruce Wayne to the other side of the world, before flying halfway around the world again to destroy Gotham. His back apparently has a vertebrae protruding out of socket, but after the prison chiropractor hits the vertebrae back in place, it just takes Wayne a few weeks to get back on his feet.

Meanwhile all the Gotham police are stuck in a sewer for the same amount of time, but don�t worry they�ll emerge looking clean and healthy. Except for Joseph Gordon Levitt and Gary Oldman�s wounded Commissioner Gordon� oh and Matthew Modine. I�m not real sure what the brilliant plan by the cops where � to send every cop in the city all through the same entrance of the sewer � all at the same time was. But there�s not much brilliance at play here.

Bane�s holding the entire city hostage � and if anyone from anywhere tries to do anything, ka-boom. Not real sure how the citizenry of any city would get behind a Lord Humongous type, especially if his way of introducing himself was to blow up your local football team � athletes that apparently people paid to watch play � and at the very least � you�ve loving ruined the game they came to watch.

When the film hits this section, logic goes every which way. You never really get a sense of the passage of time. Apparently garbage pick up is still going on, because the streets don�t seem clogged. In fact, everything seems to be running fairly normal � even if you�ve been cut off from the world. There�s some FEMA trucks with supplies.

It is just at this stage that the film loses all sense of urgency. I mean, you have a city with a strange respirator men with an army of thugs and every hardened criminal in the city � and it doesn�t end up looking like Old Detroit from ROBOCOP? I mean � there�s 1000s armed bad guys and the city isn�t being raped and pillaged. Instead they set up courts to make people walk on ice?

Anne Hathaway is fine in the role, [b]but Catwoman is more or less just a jewel thief with a dislike for the well off folks of the world, but she never gets the showy scenes or lines that Michelle had in BATMAN RETURNS. She doesn�t particularly seem to have any history, besides files to be read, but little of it can be read upon her. Certainly not enough to justify what allegedly in going on at the very end of the film. But more on that later.

Joseph Gordon Levitt is the best single thing about the film. Until they call him ROBIN at the end, where I just call BULLSHIT, but even before that because man � if you thought there were multiple endings in RETURN OF THE KING, wait for all the reveals at the end of this.

At the point where we got a shot out of TRUE LIES (which did it better) of a Nuclear Blast off in the distance. First off � given what we know of radiation � there�s a very good chance that everyone in Gotham is gonna have cancer over the next few decades of their lives. But what is it with heroes and atomic bombs these days. Everyone seems to be pulling an Iron Giant.

Of course any of that emotion is bullshit, because the way this movie takes back anything definitive throughout the rest of the film�. Well, it�s like it wants to say� �Haha, we didn�t mean it. They�re all ok! See see, we could do another one if we ever wanted to!� The film just didn�t have the courage of its convictions.

And no, I didn�t want loving BATMAN to stay dead. I think it�s bullshit to even try to claim you�ve killed a Superhero. I don�t want TRILOGIES � I want sustained series � like what we have with JAMES BOND. But I�m happy they want to end THIS Batman series.

Nolan is so caught up on making it real, that he only makes it real mediocre. We have a Utility Belt in this film that never has anything of particular use upon it. The toe to toe fight with Bane is the most unBatman fight you�ll ever see in your life. The choreography was not dynamic. The character motivations all feel like scripted bullshit. By the time Batman is completely disabled by a 2.5 inch blade in the lower rib area� My eyes were exhausted with rolling � and there was so much more to come.

Then when they decide to unveil Talia al Ghul � and then just apparently kill her. And yeah � it just pissed me off. Talia Al Ghul is a great character. Here� she�s just a convenient plot twist. That�s all.

Liam Neeson�s cameo hallucination is also vaguely unnerving. Especially since he looks older and his beard is styled differently, but maybe Bruce�s imagination is just really good at that sort of thing.

For all the talk about this being the END of Batman. For all the talk that this will be impossible to follow for any filmmaker. They�re insane.

This isn�t an embarrassing chapter. But it is by far the most inept of Nolan�s run. The lack of impact this film gave me was genuinely shocking.

When the rep asked me for my thoughts immediately after the film, I was at a full head of steam and spouted that I thought it was a loving waste of $250 million and BATMAN. It�s just such a deflating film.

At least if you know the kind of stories and action that are inherent to this property. I found the film to be, essentially a mess. I expected a lot more out of this. A lot more. I found it to feel exactly like what happens when someone that thinks they�re better than the source material gets a hold of something and just is in the process of washing their hands with it.

Ultimately I�m sure many will enjoy it. Already I�ve heard from friends that have enjoyed it. I�m not sure why all my friends that I saw it with tonight came out angry at the film, while they loved it and were completely smitten.

There is no apocalyptic vision on display here. Pretty sure more people actually died in THE DARK KNIGHT. That film was certainly a much sharper tale � and nobody comes close to delivering the iconic performance that Heath Ledger did.

Let�s find a director that loves Batman, that gets the different ages of the character, the different scopes that the character plays on � and doesn�t do something so plainly one note. There�s some beautiful shots here, the stunt work is exceptional on a couple of key things. I like most Bruce Wayne moments, until he�s in the prison, which is just ridiculous bullshit start to finish. Love Joseph Gordon Levitt�s character, Gary Oldman�s Gordon � like Anne Hathaway, but Bane as the Lord Humongous � just didn�t do it for me. The film felt exhausted, Nolan repeats so many themes, as though he had nothing new to explore. That�s a good reason to leave the series, but really � after watching it, I wish Nolan had left at two like Burton. Maybe 2 is the lucky number for BATMAN directors. BUT nobody should ever try to continue their work, just start over from scratch.

We need someone that isn�t afraid of any aspect of the Batman universe. Someone that knows that MANBAT & CLAYFACE could be awesome. A BATMAN movie doesn�t have to hinge on saving the whole of a city. Nor the world. BATMAN can be about something that happened in a single night, or over years. BATMAN is incredibly flexible � and BATMAN doesn�t give up. He isn�t a quitter. He is so much more than what Nolan has made him. So much more than Hollywood has even begun to hint at.

We haven�t seen a BATMAN movie that kicked RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK�s rear end. But we could. One day. BATMAN deserves so much more style and flourish than this drab flick.

If some how you find you love the film and were blown away. I envy you. If you did love the film � if you think this just kicked everything you�ve seen this year away. I beg you, go to a comic shop, buy some BATMAN comics� Order the BATMAN ANIMATED SERIES� Play ARKHAM ASYLUM. Learn more about the character, you�re going to smile so much. This really is in many ways the greatest character in the history of comics � and he�s so much more than what the feature films that Hollywood has given us. DARK KNIGHT is the pinnacle. Somebody, kick its rear end� I dare ya.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 19:09

Jimbot: Jul 22, 2008

So, who would you want to replace Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne?

# ? Nov 13, 2017 19:10

Name Change: Oct 9, 2005

Y'all can convince yourselves that this movie won't be a waste of an evening and roughly $20, but you can't convince me, and you certainly can't convince Ben.

That's Gentle Ben, my invisible bear friend, not Ben Affleck.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 19:12

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"
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quote:

The toe to toe fight with Bane is the most unBatman fight you’ll ever see in your life.

Hey, he's not wrong about this.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 19:19

got any sevens: Feb 9, 2013; by Cyrano4747

Jimbot posted:

So, who would you want to replace Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne?

I've never acted but i'd try it for millions of dollars. I'd play him like adam west.

Can you imagine adam west batman in bvs

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Megaman's Jockstrap: Jul 16, 2000; What a horrible thread to have a post.

dont even fink about it posted:

Y'all can convince yourselves that this movie won't be a waste of an evening and roughly $20, but you can't convince me, and you certainly can't convince Ben.

That's Gentle Ben, my invisible bear friend, not Ben Affleck.

Please tell me Gentle Ben has the voice of Ben Affleck.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 19:28

Serf: May 5, 2011

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

Please tell me Gentle Ben has the voice of Ben Affleck.

ben carson

# ? Nov 13, 2017 19:29

Name Change: Oct 9, 2005

got any sevens posted:

I've never acted but i'd try it for millions of dollars. I'd play him like adam west.

Can you imagine adam west batman in bvs

A lot of Robot Chicken potential there, now never to be mined.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 19:30

Timby: Dec 23, 2006; Your mother!

The Cameo posted:

There's probably a few different things, including stuff like jockeying for leverage whenever Warners does try to bring him back after The Batman as maybe he fulfills the # of movies on his original deal then and can get a lot more money for the role, not having fun playing the character or being on set for this stuff anymore (say what you will about the results, but Zack does seem to make a very enjoyable set for everyone, a rarity on productions of the size he's working on), recognizing that he's burning away time he could be making poo poo he wants to make on shooting and reshooting and junketing for the same basic thing over and over again, and the realization that the moment you play Batman, all anyone gives a poo poo about is Batman, and it colors everything you try to do.

That and his life has been perpetually falling apart for a year or two now and he'd probably like to get off the train, please

Yeah, he's drinking again just a few months after getting out of rehab; dude's life is an absolute mess.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 19:35

porfiria: Dec 10, 2008; by Modern Video Games

He had everything, then he lost everything, then he had everything, now he wants the one thing he can never ever have: Jennifer Garner.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 19:53

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

got any sevens posted:

Gal Gadot finally developing a conscience is funny. Also didnt affleck creep on some women too? Or at least knew about weinstein

Call me cynical but its seem to me like a no brainer PR move. Ratner has already said he will not be personally involved in any WB project until �the matter is settled�, the studios know how toxic this issue is and are doing everything they can to distance themselves from it, they know how bad it would look to have him involved in WW with all the �empowering women� marketing and hype around the film.

I wouldn�t be surprised if they had already decided to buy out his production company�s position already.

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# ? May 27, 2024 21:22

Serf: May 5, 2011

Mr. Apollo posted:

Call me cynical but its seem to me like a no brainer PR move. Ratner has already said he will not be personally involved in any WB project until �the matter is settled�, the studios know how toxic this issue is and are doing everything they can to distance themselves from it, they know how bad it would look to have him involved in WW with all the �empowering women� marketing and hype around the film.

I wouldn�t be surprised if they had already decided to buy out his production company�s position already.

you're not cynical yo, that's just how this poo poo works. easy positive pr message and it gives people the illusion that something good is happening. everybody does it when they can

# ? Nov 13, 2017 20:24

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