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Cythereal posted:Yeah, sounds like it's chasing that "Darker! More violent! More sexy!" chicken, which I have zero interest in. Yeah, Star Trek never featured sex, not ever... 
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Boobs should only be visible through a leather window. Come on though, you seriously can't pretend that wasn't the epitome of "look how adult and extreme we are" John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Nov 13, 2017 |
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Come on though, you seriously can't pretend that wasn't the epitome of "look how adult and extreme we are" I'm not saying it was the classiest thing in the world, but it came across to me as a lot more artfully done then some of the more crass examples of Star Trek in the past. Enterprise was especially egregious in this regard.
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Nov 13, 2017 05:00
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ashpanash posted:I'm not saying it was the classiest thing in the world, but it came across to me as a lot more artfully done then some of the more crass examples of Star Trek in the past. Enterprise was especially egregious in this regard. Yeah, it is difficult to top decontamination gel.
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Nov 13, 2017 05:02
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Enterprise wasn't trying to pretend it was prestige TV for discerning adults It's just so clearly "Award winning prestige shows do this, therefore we have to. We're game of thrones in space!"
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Enterprise wasn't trying to pretend it was prestige TV for discerning adults Well...yeah. One of the better parts of Discovery, for me, is that it embraces what makes prestige TV work, which is high production values, better directing and cinematography, and presenting more provocative themes. It's trying to not be TV wallpaper. It's struggling a bit out of the gate, but it's finding itself.
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Nov 13, 2017 05:45
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ashpanash posted:Yeah, Star Trek never featured sex, not ever... All of the stuff there I've seen is off-putting and unnecessary (except Q)
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Nov 13, 2017 05:57
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ashpanash posted:Well...yeah. One of the better parts of Discovery, for me, is that it embraces what makes prestige TV work, which is high production values, better directing and cinematography, and presenting more provocative themes. It's trying to not be TV wallpaper. It's struggling a bit out of the gate, but it's finding itself.
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ashpanash posted:Yeah, Star Trek never featured sex, not ever... No open-shirt Picard. Shameful.
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ashpanash posted:Yeah, Star Trek never featured sex, not ever... never forget 
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Jeb! Repetition posted:All of the stuff there I've seen is off-putting and unnecessary (except Q) I wonder if Q gave himself a comically large dong. You know he did. 
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Nov 13, 2017 06:44
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Astroman posted:I wonder if Q gave himself a comically large dong. The other Q took his powers and cursed him into that form so he probably did not have the option. But who knows, he did get to pick whatever form he wanted, the other Q might not have known/cared enough about human anatomy to check all the measurements he provided.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:All of the stuff there I've seen is off-putting and unnecessary (except Q) Fencing Sulu is the most necessary thing I can imagine.
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Nov 13, 2017 08:23
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Enterprise wasn't trying to pretend it was prestige TV for discerning adults It's really the inept mimicry of those things that makes it special. Everything this guy says ashpanash posted:Well...yeah. One of the better parts of Discovery, for me, is that it embraces what makes prestige TV work, which is high production values, better directing and cinematography, and presenting more provocative themes. It's trying to not be TV wallpaper. It's struggling a bit out of the gate, but it's finding itself. is what they think they're doing but nobody involved actually gets how those things work in other shows and every episode is a showcase in another aspect of that fundamental misunderstanding.
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Astroman posted:I wonder if Q gave himself a comically large dong. The Q Tip...
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Dog_Meat posted:The Q Tip... dont steal my fanfic
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Discovery Klingons are a lot better when they're speaking English and knife dueling.
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McSpanky posted:They're gradually ticking off all of the "we're a mature prestige drama on premium Close enough
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VitalSigns posted:Oh yeah, now that you mention it we can't be sure. It was only mandatory in that episode because there was a futures contract involved and breaking a contract is super illegal in Ferengi law and you get unpersoned if you do it. Most contracts are written to include conditions if certain aspects can't be fulfilled because that's their purpose. "If shipment doesn't arrive by X date than shipper attempts redelivery and pays Y penalty. If redelivery is impossible then shipper pays Z penalty." Brunt didn't include any of that because it was an elaborate plan to either kill Quark or have him excommunicated. Quark didn't notice that it just said "Deliver a dead Quark by X date" because Rom told him to mash the "Sell now with 1-Click" button before the buyer withdrew their offer.
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ashpanash posted:Well...yeah. One of the better parts of Discovery, for me, is that it embraces what makes prestige TV work, which is high production values, better directing and cinematography, and presenting more provocative themes. It's trying to not be TV wallpaper. It's struggling a bit out of the gate, but it's finding itself. There's nothing "prestige" about using sex and violence to get viewers, video games have been using them since time immemorial. Altogether, Discovery is sounding like a decent sci-fi action show and nothing at all like Star Trek.
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Cythereal posted:There's nothing "prestige" about using sex and violence to get viewers, video games have been using them since time immemorial. Imo, it’s extremely Trekkish, especially the latest round of episodes. It doesn’t have the comfy Berman-era direction, but they’re starting to introduce themes and ideas that fit in nicely with the franchise. Though, I totally understand if it’s not everyone’s bag.
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Cythereal posted:Altogether, Discovery is sounding like a decent sci-fi action show and nothing at all like Star Trek.
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Covenant I maintain that Dukat should have died in Waltz. He was an entertaining villain, but his character arc should have ended there with his death. This Pah-Wraith cult stuff should have been Winn, I think, or another Bajoran - maybe keep Winn as an rear end in a top hat but sincere in her beliefs as far as they go, maybe not. Even have this native Bajoran being willing to collaborate with the Dominion. I think that could have added an interesting note of ambiguity that making the cult leader Gul Egomaniac rear end in a top hat Dukat lacked. I don't feel that Dukat is Sisko's antithesis - Dukat is Kira's personal nemesis. Sisko's, I think, is Winn and she would have challenged him as a religious figure and a diplomat, not as a soldier and warrior. This was an enjoyable enough episode, but I think it could and should have been more.
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So that Klingon rape in the latest Discovery was a real joy... "She took an interest in me" oh gross I get it "I gave in... I had to do things.. " yeah ugh ok I get it *Flashing images*. Just holy gently caress yes, I get it I get what he meant auugh
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Brawnfire posted:So that Klingon rape in the latest Discovery was a real joy... Well, you know what they say, "show don't tell," right?
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Cythereal posted:There's nothing "prestige" about using sex and violence to get viewers, video games have been using them since time immemorial. All dramatic TV shows - all versions of Star Trek included - have used sex and violence to get viewers. This is a red herring. The scene in question was not "using sex and violence to get viewers." Hell, it was the ninth episode, if you're not already a viewer at that point... The point of the scene was to reinforce the PTSD and deepen the 'mystery' (it's not a mystery, much to their chagrin) of Ash Tyler's circumstances. It showed flashes of Klingon rape because it makes the assumption that you are an adult and you can deal with what is now standard storytelling. It was not very effective, and yes, it was perhaps a little gratuitous, but it did not feel like they were going for 'come gently caress me, I'm a sexy Klingon' *at all*. It was just kind of there.
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Cythereal posted:There's nothing "prestige" about using sex and violence to get viewers, video games have been using them since time immemorial. Don't be fooled, the sci fi action parts are utter crap too There are Trekish aspects to the show but they're buried beneath lovely characters, stories, editing, direction, etc. In an 80's like vacuum (lol) STD might be ok but in 2017 it's being completely upstaged by shows like The Orville and The Expanse If your time is limited you're better off watching Babylon 5 or DS9 or even shlock like Sea Quest at this point
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The Orville's latest episode had an alien going around knowingly chemically coercing people into having sex with him. Let's not pretend The Orville is that good.
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It was messed up, which was a shame cause it was actually a really funny episode with some of the best gags and really great alien designs in it. Very poor timing though.
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Any Orville episode that focuses on the fact that the captain and XO were married is a bad one. That whole concept seems like something they cooked up to give the show a gimmick, but they don't need it at all.
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ashpanash posted:Klingon rape Welp, I'm officially out. My wife is never going to be seeing this, after her reaction to BSG. And I'm not going to make her uncomfortable by even watching it myself without her.
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It's Only A Paper Moon Really good episode that's really not fun to watch. I like Vic, and Nog is one of my favorite characters on DS9, but this episode tackles a very difficult and unhappy subject head-on. I still have mixed feelings about Ezri, though. She's blatantly not ready for the job Sisko pressed her into, though she does at least seem better at it or more willing to try than Troi.
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Tighclops posted:Don't be fooled, the sci fi action parts are utter crap too I find it amusing people are trying to say that the loving The Expanse somehow got interesting characters. That show has exactly one half-decent overacted character and he died in S2. The rest are so loving dull. Season 1 was really bad and the only reason I'm not calling the show trash is because season 2 was actually pretty good, probably because it focused a lot on the above mentioned character The orville is a cheesy pastiche semi comedy (???) where a lot of the plots so far have been resolved by completely retarded childish resolutions. (giving aliens sitcom tv shows or making them fall in love with eachother to stop a war lol) In the last episode we saw a woman have sex with a slime monster after getting pheromone hypnotized lol. The orville is an entertaining show but it's not great man Fartbox fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Nov 13, 2017 |
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Y’all are being really loose with the Discovery spoilers in this thread. 
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Fartbox posted:I find it amusing people are trying to say that the loving The Expanse somehow got interesting characters. That show has exactly one half-decent overacted character and he died in S2. The rest are so loving dull. Season 1 was really bad and the only reason I'm not calling the show trash is because season 2 was actually pretty good, probably because it focused a lot on the above mentioned character The Expanse has plenty of interesting, likable characters doing interesting things in a really neat, hardish-sci fi setting. No TV show or movie is perfect (argh Holden sucks and the music is dull) but it's far more compelling and thoughtfully put together down to the loving set design than anything in STD has been so far. The Orville is literally just a Star Trek show with all the exact same flaws those shows used to have but people I guess are still butthurt because the family guy man put weed and jizz references in it? Last week's episode was probably their weakest since the pilot but at least we got some solid discussion about consent and sex out of it as opposed to whatever STD is trying to get me to think of Like I know a lot of this stuff is subjective but Star Trek feels like it is -at best- trying to play catch up to better shows that are either pushing the boundaries of what space opera can be like on TV, or delivering the type of story the franchise used to tell in it's better days. but now Trek is too busy trying to convince everybody how serious and grow'd up it is and it totally won't wreck the car this time come on mom give me the keys already mom moooOOM
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Well, you know what they say, "show don't tell," right? Discovery prefers to do both
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When is the first full holosuite episode in DS9? I'm up to S3E9 on my first run-through of the whole series, and I'm shocked there hasn't been one yet. I think there were 3 or 4 by this point in TNG.
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Lester Shy posted:When is the first full holosuite episode in DS9? I'm up to S3E9 on my first run-through of the whole series, and I'm shocked there hasn't been one yet. I think there were 3 or 4 by this point in TNG. Our Man Bashir. S4E9.
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Tighclops posted:No TV show or movie is perfect (argh Holden sucks and the music is dull) Holden is seriously the worst main character and is a big part of the reason why I almost didn't get into The Expanse.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Holden is seriously the worst main character and is a big part of the reason why I almost didn't get into The Expanse. His inner monologue in the book is so similar to the starship captain that I'm not positive if I'm right that he's the detective and the other guy is the starship captain. They're basically the same character in the first book except for one big decision point.
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