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Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord

The White Dragon posted:

cloud is only 5'7"? wtf...

The hair spike adds another 6" though.

A lot of Japanese characters are shorter than you think. Ryu's only like an inch taller or something.

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Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

YOUR POSITION IN THE QUEUE IS *pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt*


Cat Army Sworn Enemy

TurnipFritter posted:

Super Mario Galaxy came out a decade ago.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


In just a few months, FF7 will be as old as Cloud is in the game.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

8-Bit Scholar posted:

I had thought that was the implication and for some reason I'd thought that the Occurians are somehow destroyed by what you do. I haven't yet beaten the Pharos yet in my playthrough of the Zodiac Age, so I'm remembering from years and years ago, but for whatever reason I finished FF12 thinking they were dead.

Except that after you destroy the Sun Cryst, Venat is still there and possesses Vayne to ostensibly fight against you for reasons I'm having trouble understanding.

It's also pretty important that Vayne says "Sorry Venat, I failed you and you need to find someone else to carry out your plans" then Venat replies with "Well actually you've been more successful than you can imagine", then possesses Vayne and attacks your party.

Was Venat's plan from the beginning to "help" humans break free from Occurrian control only to try to create his own World of Ruin to rule over using Vayne's body as a vessel?

Schwartzcough
Aug 12, 2009

Don't tease the Octopus, kids!

Elephant Ambush posted:

Except that after you destroy the Sun Cryst, Venat is still there and possesses Vayne to ostensibly fight against you for reasons I'm having trouble understanding.

It's also pretty important that Vayne says "Sorry Venat, I failed you and you need to find someone else to carry out your plans" then Venat replies with "Well actually you've been more successful than you can imagine", then possesses Vayne and attacks your party.

Was Venat's plan from the beginning to "help" humans break free from Occurrian control only to try to create his own World of Ruin to rule over using Vayne's body as a vessel?

It's kind of left open to interpretation. On it's face, it may seem like Venat was basically acting as Prometheus, giving humanity the gift of fire as it were (man-made magic nukes so that humanity wasn't always at the whims of the Occuria's chosen). This is sort of backed by the constant "reins of history back in the hands of man" mantra, as well as the Occuria acting like overbearing dicks when you meet them. Him possessing Vayne at the end could be seen as a good bro sticking with his friend until the end, even going down fighting with him.

But I think Venat's goals were less altruistic. The deifacted nethicite the Occuria gave to man was never shown to have the power to give the Occuria direct control over anyone; instead, they picked someone's whose goals were generally aligned with their own, and then gave them the power of nukes to have that person steer society in a direction they liked. And it actually turned out pretty well! King Raithwall was their last pawn, and he was fondly remembered by all as a benevolent unifying force that advanced Ivalice as a whole.

Meanwhile, the manufacted nethicite that Venat taught Cid how to make was repeatedly shown to drive people violence-crazy, and with both Judge Bergan and that Viera woman, you see the spectre of Venat leaving their body (or so it appears) after they were defeated or foiled. So I think Venat's plan was to flip the bird at the other Occuria, destroy their loose means of manipulating humanity, and instead creating nethicite that allowed him to directly possess and control people. Also, Vayne did not seem like he was expecting or enjoying getting possessed and turned into cyber bahamut at the end there, so I think Venat was just like "gently caress it, I'll kill these guys myself" rather than having to start his plans all over again and having to find someone else with the means to make his nethicite.

Romes128
Dec 28, 2008


Fun Shoe

Morby posted:

Noctis from FFXV is going to be in Tekken Spring 2018. I don’t know if Squenix paid Bandai or vice versa, but that cannot have been cheap.

They got the cup noodles discount

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.
Yeah Venat's plan at the end was a bit weird since instead of going with the 'destroy Sun Cryst plan' that Ashe eventually decides on, Dr. Cid decides to... get all the original shards and use it to power the Bahamut for... some reason I dunno. To destroy the Resistance maybe, but why?

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Elephant Ambush posted:

I wish they explained what happened to Venat and the Occurrians after the ending. Everyone claimed they broke free from Occurrian control but there's nothing that shows that.

i can tell you what happened but you won't like it

someone sets off a magic nuke that destroys the entire world and sends it spiraling back into the stone age, literally, and wipes out all the non-human races. have a good day

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

ApplesandOranges posted:

Yeah Venat's plan at the end was a bit weird since instead of going with the 'destroy Sun Cryst plan' that Ashe eventually decides on, Dr. Cid decides to... get all the original shards and use it to power the Bahamut for... some reason I dunno. To destroy the Resistance maybe, but why?

I had also always taken Venat's motives as being altriuistic on face value as well, it seemed like he and Dr Cid had genuine respect for each other. Him taking over Vayne may have been a last-ditch effort to stop you, since Venat would have no place on heaven or earth if Vayne bit it.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

The White Dragon posted:

i can tell you what happened but you won't like it

someone sets off a magic nuke that destroys the entire world and sends it spiraling back into the stone age, literally, and wipes out all the non-human races. have a good day

Where is this mentioned in the game?

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.

Elephant Ambush posted:

Where is this mentioned in the game?

FFXII is set about 1200 years before Tactics. It's indicated that a catastrophe struck Ivalice about a hundred years after the end of FFXII, taking out the majority of the races.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

ApplesandOranges posted:

FFXII is set about 1200 years before Tactics. It's indicated that a catastrophe struck Ivalice about a hundred years after the end of FFXII, taking out the majority of the races.

So it's mentioned in Tactics? I need to go back and play that again. I'll probably do that after I finish 13.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

Elephant Ambush posted:

So it's mentioned in Tactics? I need to go back and play that again. I'll probably do that after I finish 13.

No, it isn't. It's just a retcon

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord
In Ivalice year 775 OV the world was destroyed when a Uhlan named Vaan preformed what is known as the Verboten Jump.

Phantasium
Dec 27, 2012

I think he just lobbed one too many Chaos Dodgeballs

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

corn in the bible posted:

No, it isn't. It's just a retcon

Again, where, and in what game, is this mentioned? Or is this just fan theory being tossed around in this thread like canon?

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Elephant Ambush posted:

Again, where, and in what game, is this mentioned? Or is this just fan theory being tossed around in this thread like canon?

It's mentioned in FFT that all the moogles died out over time (in an area description), and we know for a fact there was a fantasy disaster that wiped out a lot of old civilization, but that's about it within FFT itself proper as a game

SaviourX
Sep 30, 2003

The only true Catwoman is Julie Newmar, Lee Meriwether, or Eartha Kitt.

Saint Freak posted:

In Ivalice year 775 OV the world was destroyed when a Uhlan named Vaan preformed what is known as the Verboten Jump.

This is something I never knew I wanted but want right godamn now.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Saint Freak posted:

In Ivalice year 775 OV the world was destroyed when a Uhlan named Vaan preformed what is known as the Verboten Jump.

forbidden: jump
recommended: knightswords

Grimthwacker
Aug 7, 2014

I've been playing World of Final Fantasy. It's been really cool, and I've liked all the character cameos so far, but Shelke? Really? You'd think Square would want people to forget about Dirge of Cerberus.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

The White Dragon posted:

forbidden: jump
recommended: knightswords
recommended: zaubers

:goonsay:

Schwartzcough
Aug 12, 2009

Don't tease the Octopus, kids!
Balthier is my favorite guns'braster.

Romes128
Dec 28, 2008


Fun Shoe
I’m in the hospital for like a week. Only got my phone and tablet. Which FF should I get on mobile?

HD DAD
Jan 13, 2010

Generic white guy.

Toilet Rascal

Romes128 posted:

I’m in the hospital for like a week. Only got my phone and tablet. Which FF should I get on mobile?

If you’re looking for an ultimo fun time sink, V. No question.

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Romes128 posted:

I’m in the hospital for like a week. Only got my phone and tablet. Which FF should I get on mobile?

Tactics

ceaselessfuture
Apr 9, 2005

"I'm thirty," I said. "I'm five years too old to lie to myself and call it honor."

Romes128 posted:

I’m in the hospital for like a week. Only got my phone and tablet. Which FF should I get on mobile?

FFRK or FFVI

Randallteal
May 7, 2006

The tears of time
Man, they should put Theatrythm on phones. That's got to happen at some point, right?

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Randallteal posted:

Man, they should put Theatrythm on phones. That's got to happen at some point, right?

They should put it on switch

Last Celebration
Mar 30, 2010

Randallteal posted:

Man, they should put Theatrythm on phones. That's got to happen at some point, right?

I think it already is, but it’s a lovely F2P model so you have to buy virtually all the songs.

Die Sexmonster!
Nov 30, 2005

ApplesandOranges posted:

FFXII is set about 1200 years before Tactics.

Or after, if you play FF XIV!

Varance
Oct 28, 2004

Ladies, hide your footwear!
Nap Ghost

Grimthwacker posted:

I've been playing World of Final Fantasy. It's been really cool, and I've liked all the character cameos so far, but Shelke? Really? You'd think Square would want people to forget about Dirge of Cerberus.
Countertek is OP. Also, she's one of the best characters in FFRK as well. She's a great debuff support against magic-based encounters, plus she can be used to feed other high damage characters with extra limit breaks when she's not supporting. Even had her own event.

Varance fucked around with this message at 10:18 on Nov 15, 2017

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.

Last Celebration posted:

I think it already is, but it’s a lovely F2P model so you have to buy virtually all the songs.

I also think it's only the original and not the sequel.


Romes128 posted:

I’m in the hospital for like a week. Only got my phone and tablet. Which FF should I get on mobile?

IX

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

Restaurant de Nouvelles "À Table" Proudly Presents:
A Climactic Encounter Ending on 1 Negate and a Dream

Die Sexmonster! posted:

Or after, if you play FF XIV!

Yeah they swapped them in FFXIV so people wouldn't scream about how IVALICE TOTALLY TOOK PLACE IN FFXIV'S WORLD when it's just some heavy handed references.

The GIG
Jun 28, 2011

Yeah, I say "Shit" a shit-ton of times. What of it, shithead?
It would not be out of place or Ivalice Alliance's writing if they decided to just windmill slam FF14 in there and retcon everything again for the ninth time.

Ivalice is a great setting that seemingly purposefully is not meant to make sense.

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord

The White Dragon posted:

cloud is only 5'7"? wtf...

Hey speaking of height I made a custom character in FFXV new pretty terrible add-on thing and made myself 6'0". I'm ~2 feet taller than everyone. Vys the magazine guy and Holly the power plant lady come up to like the bottom of my dude's rib cage. It's mad hosed. Aranea's the only one even close and I've still got inches on her. Wish I would've known that before I set myself to the absolutely gigantic height of 6 entire feet.

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

I kinda like their weird half assed monhun ripoff

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord

In Training posted:

I kinda like their weird half assed monhun ripoff

If it didn't have escort and defend -type missions I'd like it more. Especially since the last enemy of those waves seems to be a boss so you could be doing fine and then welp here comes Super Couerl to one-shot your escortee.


For fairness I extend 'it shouldn't have escorts and defend missions' to every other game on the planet as well.

Norns
Nov 21, 2011

Senior Shitposting Strategist

Saint Freak posted:

Hey speaking of height I made a custom character in FFXV new pretty terrible add-on thing and made myself 6'0". I'm ~2 feet taller than everyone. Vys the magazine guy and Holly the power plant lady come up to like the bottom of my dude's rib cage. It's mad hosed. Aranea's the only one even close and I've still got inches on her. Wish I would've known that before I set myself to the absolutely gigantic height of 6 entire feet.

Lol

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
okay you're just a stinky giant, huh?!!!

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GOTTA STAY FAI
Mar 24, 2005

~no glitter in the gutter~
~no twilight galaxy~
College Slice

ApplesandOranges posted:

Yeah Venat's plan at the end was a bit weird since instead of going with the 'destroy Sun Cryst plan' that Ashe eventually decides on, Dr. Cid decides to... get all the original shards and use it to power the Bahamut for... some reason I dunno. To destroy the Resistance maybe, but why?

Cid was loving crazy

Dude was so wrapped up in unlocking the mysteries of the nethicite/getting more of it that at one point a non-corporeal being tried to interject to make a point and he was like "oh, did you say something, Venat?"

Reason goes out the window when a dude is so off his rocker that a demigod has to snap its fingers in front of his face to get his attention.

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