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When do you guys think we sort of see what the teams really are? I try and tell everyone you basically don't know anything about a team until week 8 or so. It feels like that's when they really figure out the best strategies for their personnel or they really start imploding
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Man I knew Dak wasn't as good as last year looked but holy poo poo did I not anticipate this. Pretty much nobody except for Demarcus Lawrence looks to have improved or held status quo in the past year. Dez Bryant is an absolute joke, and he's still our best receiver. I appreciate that yesterday had just about every lovely thing about the Cowboys make an appearance. Sun shining in eyes, lack of defensive competence, underperforming offensive talent and trash rear end QB play with the rare wide open receiver. Oh and a big speech from the owner at half time, cause that makes sense. Dak hid his sophomore slump for five games.
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Nov 24, 2017 17:43
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I'm having a lot of fun knowing the Redskins are better than the Cowboys and that the Eli's are finally where my heart always wished they'd be - the short win bus.
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Nov 24, 2017 17:48
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Well Kirk Cousins is better than Dak so your QB is better too until he leaves next year
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Nov 24, 2017 17:55
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X-postingJohn Brown posted:Anyone who didn’t see Dak’s slump coming is clueless. There were obvious signs last year as he’d often hold onto the ball entirely too long out of fear of his own inaccuracy. Edit: I think Dez would be fine if he played with an elite QB who could throw him open, because he still has the athleticism to make great adjustments on the ball. He’ll be toast in a 3 year’s though because he never learned how to run routes. John Brown fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Nov 24, 2017 |
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Nov 24, 2017 18:01
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My take is that the Redskins seem like they actually have some hope for the future and are in a much better spot now than a few years ago. The Cowboys are a broken team with a boring Jon Arbuckle rear end coach in a poo poo organization that I expect to get worse before it gets better. The Giants are dead men walking and Eli is done but the organization hasn’t prepped for his replacement or any sort of future at all. e: if Romo hadn’t retired he could probably be starting for at least a dozen teams right now but Dallas squandered him and he seems happy to have gotten out when he did Yodzilla fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Nov 24, 2017 |
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Nov 24, 2017 18:33
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The Redskins have a great coach and a hopeless owner. Jay is gonna get fired in some stupid loving power struggle with the idiot owner who drove off their premium drafter and killed any chances of retaining their franchise QB. The Redskins are hosed.
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Nov 24, 2017 18:36
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Cousins definitely walks. I just wonder where he ends up. Im thinking Denver. But there are a bunch of teams who could use him. Dude is gonna get paid.
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Nov 24, 2017 18:50
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HatfulOfHollow posted:Cousins definitely walks. I just wonder where he ends up. Im thinking Denver. But there are a bunch of teams who could use him. Dude is gonna get paid. Arizona should pull out all the stops for him.
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Nov 24, 2017 19:17
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I want Kirk Cousins out of my life. I don't care if he takes $10 mil of cap space with him I can't take debates over mediocre QBs its the loving worst.Gumbel2Gumbel posted:The Redskins have a great coach Gruden knows offense but the dude has more brain farts than you'd like to see and can't put together a defensive staff. 'Great' is pushing it. Cash Monet fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Nov 24, 2017 |
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Nov 24, 2017 19:33
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Kirk Cousins is not a mediocre QB, unless you're on a heavy diet of sports radio
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Nov 24, 2017 19:44
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Cash Monet posted:I want Kirk Cousins out of my life. I don't care if he takes $10 mil of cap space with him I can't take debates over mediocre QBs its the loving worst. What an idiot
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Nov 24, 2017 19:48
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John Brown posted:X-posting Sure, he doesn't run the full route tree, but he runs maybe the best dig route in the NFL. Cowboys send him on too many go routes, and Dak doesn't throw go routes well. Here is a great video on 2017 Dez: https://youtu.be/25mQ4eCtw0U
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Nov 24, 2017 19:56
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Bluesquares is a Cowboys fan and Im an Eagles fan. We are both praying Cousins gets shipped off to the AFC, if that tells you anything
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Nov 24, 2017 19:57
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Shinjobi posted:Pretty much nobody except for Demarcus Lawrence looks to have improved or held status quo in the past year. Dez Bryant is an absolute joke, and he's still our best receiver. Dak's still fine; he had a bad trio of games as his supporting cast disappeared but I wouldn't put more weight on the last 3 games than I would the prior 22. I think he's still more than capable of being a very good franchise QB. He's clearly not a guy you can ask to put the team on his shoulders at this point in his career, but nothing about his 2017 season is strikingly different from one of Romo's futile 8-8 seasons where he was asked to do too much with a defense that couldn't stop a nosebleed and an offense headlined by Miles Austin and Roy E Williams. The only major difference is that Witten is significantly older. I think the WR corps doesn't get enough blame, though. The biggest problem the offense faces without Zeke (ignoring the Offensive line injuries for a moment) is that the offense isn't explosive at all when Zeke isn't on the field--the only big plays happen if Dak makes them with his feet. I think this is mostly the fault of our receivers. In that sense, I agree with you--Dez Bryant is not a true #1 receiver and he hasn't been since his injury a few years ago. He no longer gets separation and loses on contested balls too often, while Terrance Williams is the world's least clutch receiver and defenses have figured this out and spent the season taking Cole Beasley out of the game because they know that Dez and TWIll won't punish them for it. NFL.com has been putting out some cool advanced stats that show separation and the like and you can see how Dez is in the bottom third of receivers now when it comes to average separation on catches, cushion given at the snap, and catch rate. Terrance Williams is actually a much more relevant threat right now, but he also makes a number of boneheaded moves every game that hurt the team as much as any of his receptions help. See also: That OPI yesterday that ended a scoring drive. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/receiving#average-separation And if the stats weren't enough to tell you that "Dez sucks and is vastly overpaid," there's a simple tell in my opinion--Dez Bryant's most memorable plays are a string of catches he didn't make in big games at crucial moments. This really needs to be his last year on the team. Tom Sellout posted:Sure, he doesn't run the full route tree, but he runs maybe the best dig route in the NFL. Cowboys send him on too many go routes, and Dak doesn't throw go routes well. e: This is an interesting analysis I hadn't considered, and it softens my views on Dez quite a bit. But it definitely makes the coaching staff look much worse. TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Nov 24, 2017 |
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Nov 24, 2017 20:08
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Tom Sellout posted:Sure, he doesn't run the full route tree, but he runs maybe the best dig route in the NFL. Cowboys send him on too many go routes, and Dak doesn't throw go routes well. Great vid. As it points out, I too have been disappointed in the lack of motion, bunch, and slot usage with a Dez. With him being as great as he is with YAC, we could easily put Butler and Williams in the outside to let him make some plays in the middle. Dak looks bad on that film though 
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Nov 24, 2017 20:24
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I haven't given up on Dak at all. He's still young, and while these past three games have been awful I would agree that this is the least impressive receiving core we've had in quite some time.
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Nov 24, 2017 20:29
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Cash Monet posted:I want Kirk Cousins out of my life. I don't care if he takes $10 mil of cap space with him I can't take debates over mediocre QBs its the loving worst.
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Nov 24, 2017 20:30
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Kirk is better than: Eli Manning Tyrod Taylor Josh McKown Ryan Tannehill Jay Cutler DeShone Kizer Derek Carr Marcus Mariota CJ Beathard Mitch Trubisky Jacoby Brissett Joe Flacco Carson Palmer Blake Bortles Paxton Lynch Case Keenum Andy Dalton 2017 Phil Rivers Jameis Winston Tom Savage The arguments start with Newton, Stafford, Prescott, and Smith. That leaves Carson Wentz Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers Drew Brees Russell Wilson Ben Rothlisburger Jared Goff Matt Ryan Russell Wilson in a league where a team’s success is largely dependent on QB play. And people still want him gone.
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Nov 24, 2017 20:48
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I saw it noted in an all-22 analysis that despite having Ronald Darby available, the Eagles didn't feel the need to have him cover Dez. They just covered him with whoever he lined up in front of, whether he was outside or in the slot.
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Nov 24, 2017 21:22
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Yodzilla posted:My take is that the Redskins seem like they actually have some hope for the future and are in a much better spot now than a few years ago. The Cowboys are a broken team with a boring Jon Arbuckle rear end coach in a poo poo organization that I expect to get worse before it gets better. The Giants are dead men walking and Eli is done but the organization hasn’t prepped for his replacement or any sort of future at all. The Redskins don't have hope, they have a brief moment of positivity overshadowed by the impending doom of the off-season.
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Nov 24, 2017 21:23
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Cash Monet posted:I want Kirk Cousins out of my life. I don't care if he takes $10 mil of cap space with him I can't take debates over mediocre QBs its the loving worst. So your solution to avoid a debate over lovely QBs is to run off our only undisputed starter in favor of playing the lottery on more lovely QBs. Cousins is, at worst, an average QB. Meaning he's better than half the starting quarterbacks in the NFL. In my opinion he's top 10, and the first bona fide starter Washington has had in years. He deserves to get paid, a lot, and he will. If not by this team then somewhere else.
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Nov 24, 2017 21:30
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Someone mentioned Denver, my GF would be thrilled to have him there so that would be win win for me. They get better, the Skins drop back into the pit.
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Nov 24, 2017 22:32
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2017 Case Keenum is better than Kirk
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Yodzilla posted:My take is that the Redskins seem like they actually have some hope for the future and are in a much better spot now than a few years ago. Beer4TheBeerGod posted:So your solution to avoid a debate over lovely QBs is to run off our only undisputed starter in favor of playing the lottery on more lovely QBs. Gumbel2Gumbel posted:The Redskins have a great coach and a hopeless owner. Jay is gonna get fired in some stupid loving power struggle with the idiot owner who drove off their premium drafter and killed any chances of retaining their franchise QB. These last two are the correct takes. I'm not quite sure if I can call the Skins ownership the absolute worst in the NFL considering the Niners managed to blow up a team loaded with young talent that looked set to dominate the NFC for a decade with startling abruptness. But they are easily second. I've followed the team since the seventies. The only QB that I can recall being a legit multiyear starter who could anchor and lead the team was Joe Theisman. The fact that the team was able to win Super Bowls with various journeyman and fill in type QBs was a testament to Gibbs and the way you could stack talent on an O line and on a team in general in that era. In recent years I've watched them go after big money deal after ridiculous deal for washed up stars like Deion Sanders and Bruce Smith, chase Fat Albert with a ridiculous contract, while the team had a washed up Mark Brunnell, Jason Campbell, Sexy Rexy etc. at QB. At the time of the RG3 deal I actually thought it was a necessary move, simply because of the position the team had put itself in with all these other deals over the years. The fact that RG3 got hurt and it didn't work out doesn't bother me, it still seemed like a necessary move. But then to have a legit, above average to top 10 QB fall into their lap as a low draft pick through sheer dumb rear end luck, a guy who is not only young and uninjured but has proven over a few seasons now that he can make the throws, lead the team on drives and win games, and then to choose THIS time to get all hard ball on money and let the guy drift away, defies any reasoning. I don't know what about the last 20 years or so makes the Skins management think they can predict QB talent from the college ranks, hell they have their own experience drafting Heath Shuler as a high pick and never playing the guy. If they let Cousins walk, as it appears they have every intention of doing, I don't know why they should expect to retain a fan base.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:2017 Case Keenum is better than Kirk By what metric He has fewer yards, TDs, completion pct, yards per pass, attempts, and is sacked far less because his line is much better. Thielen and Diggs are also a lot better than Washington WRs. He’s on a better team. He’s not a better QB. Diqnol fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Nov 24, 2017 |
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Zwabu posted:But then to have a legit, above average to top 10 QB fall into their lap as a low draft pick through sheer dumb rear end luck, a guy who is not only young and uninjured but has proven over a few seasons now that he can make the throws, lead the team on drives and win games, and then to choose THIS time to get all hard ball on money and let the guy drift away, defies any reasoning. If you're going to contend with the average/above average QB you do it when they're cheap. Ravens got talent around Flacco when he was on his rookie deal, he got them a super bowl. They pay him, he handcuffs their cap, the margin for error for drafting and free agent signing shrinks, and they are what they are now. Re-signing Cousins makes sense, its prudent, and it's probably whats best for business. I'd rather a team tried to do better than end up like the Bengals.
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Nov 24, 2017 23:00
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So I guess the NFC East is pretty much the AFC East now* *The Eagles are the Patriots in this analogy
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Nov 24, 2017 23:16
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I dunno I want hot brain over here to go over superbowl teams and what their contracts were from the last 10 years.
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Nov 24, 2017 23:21
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Kirk Cousins sucks actually and I along with the Eagles' secondary hope he stays on the Redskins for another five years
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The funny option is Kirk Cousins going to either the Giants or Cowboys
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I wouldn't mind Cousins coming to back up Wentz if we can't land Tyrod Taylor QBs I'd take over Cousins without even a moment's hesitation: Brady, Brees, Ryan, Wilson, Wentz, Ben, Rivers, Carr, Goff, Prescott, and Stafford. Probably Alex Smith and Mariota too. also Rogers and probably Deshaun Watson, but I left them off because they're on IR.
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indigi posted:I wouldn't mind Cousins coming to back up Wentz if we can't land Tyrod Taylor I too wouldn't mind a top 10-15 QB as a backup. Why don't more teams think of this
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Nov 25, 2017 01:10
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Kirk is going to Jaxonville
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indigi posted:QBs I'd take over Cousins without even a moment's hesitation: Brady, Brees, Ryan, Wilson, Wentz, Ben, Rivers, Carr, Goff, Prescott, and Stafford. Probably Alex Smith and Mariota too. also Rogers and probably Deshaun Watson, but I left them off because they're on IR. I thought the general consensus was that Cousins is better than Prescott now?
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Nov 25, 2017 01:32
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Diqnol posted:By what metric TD celebrations
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NotWearingPants posted:I thought the general consensus was that Cousins is better than Prescott now? Dak deserves some time to see if this is just a bad stretch he can pull out of, his support this year has fallen off bad. O-line worse and injured, Zeke suspended, Witten old, Beasley & Dez fallen off and the other WRs suck. Defense also even worse than last year putting even more pressure on him.
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NotWearingPants posted:I thought the general consensus was that Cousins is better than Prescott now? Consensus? In the football thread?
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89 posted:Oct. 1 Just saying.
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