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Blind Rasputin
Nov 25, 2002

Farewell, good Hunter. May you find your worth in the waking world.

There are a ton of fun games to play right now. WW2’s campaign is satisfying and exciting as gently caress. The battle of the bulge mission left a bulge in my pants. There is this moment in it in the snow where a bunch of smoke grenades are popped and like a hundred Germans start running at your trench through the fog as allied p-38s drop hot loads into the forest around you and it’s seriously so loving intense. rear end creed actually is unironically good. And, then, there’s like a million little $15 games on the Black Friday sale that are enjoyable for hours on end. You do not actually need to play destiny 2 if you don’t want to. Hell, you don’t even need to have it installed!

Also pornhub has a Black Friday sale FYI.

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cvnvcnv
Mar 17, 2013

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Blind Rasputin posted:

rear end creed actually is unironically good.

Played the Ezio Collection trilogy a while back (3 and 1 best) as D1 was winding down, playing the next set of three games now. Black Flag was buttholes but I finished it earlier today and started Unity, which is hot fire. I am very excited to grind away on it, then play Syndicate, then the newest one, all instead of playing Destiny :)

cvnvcnv fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Nov 26, 2017

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Father Wendigo posted:

UGH. I am really missing Stardew Valley at this point.

Also thanks.

edit: Why does Titan get more XP, I actually want to grind for that sweet Cosmonaut armor.

Because there are a whopping two public events and you've gotta wait for them to repop.

tqilamknbrd
Jun 6, 2009

your circumcision honestly disgusts me

cvnvcnv posted:

Played the Ezio Collection trilogy a while back (3 and 1 best) as D1 was winding down, playing the next set of three games now. Black Flag was buttholes but I finished it earlier today and started Unity, which is hot fire. I am very excited to grind away on it, then play Syndicate, then the newest one, all instead of playing Destiny :)

sorry mate but black flag is the only good assassins creed

Tei
Feb 19, 2011

Landing on Venus: the corrosive atmosphere melt any drone we sent there in minutes.

Reading Reddit: the storm of salt has epic proportions and hardware last only seconds.

I don't want to be that guy, but if so much people are not happy with the game maybe they should find something else to do? maybe?

I just started playing Persona 5. Basic field report: Is good, is very good, I vouch for it.

PathAsc
Nov 15, 2011

Hail SS-18 Satan may he cleanse us with nuclear fire

PISS TAPE IS REAL

I have found something else to do when goons aren't on: watch porn and shoot guns.

MechaSeinfeld
Jan 2, 2008


PathAsc posted:

I have found something else to do when goons aren't on: watch porn and shoot guns.

It's spelled "cum"

deadwing
Mar 5, 2007

I'm playing Destiny 2 right now and having fun

I hear that they outlawed fun in Destiny 2 I hope the reddit police doesn't get me :ohdear:

Blind Rasputin
Nov 25, 2002

Farewell, good Hunter. May you find your worth in the waking world.

MechaSeinfeld posted:

It's spelled "cum"

Lol

PathAsc
Nov 15, 2011

Hail SS-18 Satan may he cleanse us with nuclear fire

PISS TAPE IS REAL

MechaSeinfeld posted:

It's spelled "cum"

This is my waifu this is my cum

This is for weebs and this is for mum

Roman
Aug 8, 2002

deadwing posted:

I'm playing Destiny 2 right now and having fun
I hear that they outlawed fun in Destiny 2 I hope the reddit police doesn't get me :ohdear:
The problem is not that Destiny 2 is never fun, the problem is that it is not fun all the time and is less fun than Destiny 1

Even with its problems, when I played Destiny 1 I played it for months on end without playing any other games

Eververse was supposed to be a way to make money off of people like me, but then they made a sequel that, after a point, you only needed to play for about 2 hours a week max

So basically everyone loses

SUNKOS
Jun 4, 2016


Legs Benedict posted:

also remember the interview with Lars where he was like “the crucible team kept saying that 4v4 would be bad but I really liked the idea so I pushed it through because you gotta break eggs to make an omelette”

This explains why every single PvP map is way too big for 4v4 then. If Bungie can instantly turn-off an XP nerfing system once the community discovers it I'm sure they could take five minutes to switch all the PvP modes over to 6v6.

ZeusCannon
Nov 5, 2009

BLAAAAAARGH PLEASE KILL ME BLAAAAAAAARGH
Grimey Drawer
One thing i always find funny is when you load into Crucible it still shows the fire team sizes as 6. So each team lists out as 4/6. Cant tell if that's just incompetence hiding that its def still the same d1 backbone or just lazy.

cvnvcnv
Mar 17, 2013

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tqilamknbrd posted:

sorry mate but black flag is the only good assassins creed

Easily the worst, you psycho.

Akuma
Sep 11, 2001


SUNKOS posted:

This explains why every single PvP map is way too big for 4v4 then. If Bungie can instantly turn-off an XP nerfing system once the community discovers it I'm sure they could take five minutes to switch all the PvP modes over to 6v6.
Its not happening.

quote:

Right, so it's not something you guys might revisit or rework in the future? Like could we see 6v6 return, but maybe on a larger map?

Lars Bakken: I think at this point it would be very difficult to go back to those types of experiences and the reason I say that is because the entire game was created around this 4v4 focus.

I wouldn’t even know where to start. Like do you know double the team size or like create bigger maps.

It’s not like we couldn’t do it, it’s just there are so many things that are fundamentally reliant on how the systems connect, it would be pretty difficult to do.

Sorry I have to break fans hearts. I believe the experience is so good that I want them to play it and see it for themselves.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Akuma posted:

Its not happening.

"the entire game was created around this 4v4 focus."

3-man strikes
6-man raids
12-person public events

yeah, gently caress off, Lars.

QuasiQuack
Jun 13, 2010

Ducks hockey baybee

Akuma posted:

Its not happening.

quote:

Right, so it's not something you guys might revisit or rework in the future? Like could we see 6v6 return, but maybe on a larger map?

Lars Bakken: I think at this point it would be very difficult to go back to those types of experiences and the reason I say that is because the entire game was created around this 4v4 focus.

I wouldn’t even know where to start. Like do you know double the team size or like create bigger maps.

It’s not like we couldn’t do it, it’s just there are so many things that are fundamentally reliant on how the systems connect, it would be pretty difficult to do.

Sorry I have to break fans hearts. I believe the experience is so good that I want them to play it and see it for themselves.


"gently caress you, I'm right"

Tei
Feb 19, 2011

I think Lars is full of poo poo, and I don't believe it.

Roman
Aug 8, 2002

The maps aren't too small, and even if they are, maps being too small for 6v6 apparently didn't bother them much in Destiny 1

qbert
Oct 23, 2003

It's both thrilling and terrifying.
*imports maps from D1 into D2*

“Sorry guys the game’s too reliant on 4v4 design!”

Kiranamos
Sep 27, 2007

STATUS: SCOTT IS AN IDIOT
This is just the same poo poo you will look back on in a year when the game is cleaned up and wonder how people even played the game at this point. This is the beginning and the end. Also what kind of weirdo doesn't like the new Doom.

SUNKOS
Jun 4, 2016


quote:

Right, so it's not something you guys might revisit or rework in the future? Like could we see 6v6 return, but maybe on a larger map?

Lars Bakken: I think at this point it would be very difficult to go back to those types of experiences and the reason I say that is because the entire game was created around this 4v4 focus.

I wouldn’t even know where to start. Like do you know double the team size or like create bigger maps.

It’s not like we couldn’t do it, it’s just there are so many things that are fundamentally reliant on how the systems connect, it would be pretty difficult to do.

Sorry I have to break fans hearts. I believe the experience is so good that I want them to play it and see it for themselves.

I dunno man maybe just go change whatever value sets the teamsize from 4 to 6? Guy's trying to pretend it's this monumental task that would somehow break everything and take so much work when in reality someone could do it during their lunch break and still have time to poo poo on this guys desk before getting back to work. Then again maybe he's got bigger problems if he thinks teams reverting back to six people instead of four is somehow doubling their size, he can't even get basic maths right.

Pozload Escobar
Aug 21, 2016

by Reene
If we went back to 6v6 pvp without carefully adjusting everything else it might result in a bad pvp experience......:nallears:

Fuzzy Mammal
Aug 15, 2001

Lipstick Apathy
Going from 8 players to 12 means you're multiplying the network traffic by over 2.3 times. It's not as simple as just changing a number in a db.

Akuma
Sep 11, 2001


SUNKOS posted:

I dunno man maybe just go change whatever value sets the teamsize from 4 to 6? Guy's trying to pretend it's this monumental task that would somehow break everything and take so much work when in reality someone could do it during their lunch break and still have time to poo poo on this guys desk before getting back to work. Then again maybe he's got bigger problems if he thinks teams reverting back to six people instead of four is somehow doubling their size, he can't even get basic maths right.
I can't tell if you're being serious... Switching PVP to 6v6 is very much not the same as turning off an XP limiting system. Who knows how hard coded the team size of 4 is? Nobody here.

Having worked on AAA games I can tell you they are not a guarantee of any given area of the code being easily extensible. A huge amount of things are hard-coded in myriad spaghetti-like ways.

That's not even considering the networking implications of a third more players.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

SUNKOS posted:

I dunno man maybe just go change whatever value sets the teamsize from 4 to 6? Guy's trying to pretend it's this monumental task that would somehow break everything and take so much work when in reality someone could do it during their lunch break and still have time to poo poo on this guys desk before getting back to work.

It's really hard to estimate how hard a particular task would be in a codebase of this size with no knowledge of it. At the very least you'd have to have to update the HUD and match intro cutscenes and probably a bunch of other internal things I can't think of off the top of my head, all of which would be heavily dependent on how well and flexibly they were written in the first place.

Legs Benedict
Jul 14, 2002

You can either follow me to our bedroom or bend over that control throne because I haven't been this turned on in FOREVER!
it’s true that you wouldn’t be able to flip a switch and make it 6v6

it’s also true that it should never have been 4v4 in the first place and that lars is a shithead

ElNarez
Nov 4, 2009
4v4 isn't the problem, high cooldowns and the high ttk are why PvP is so goddamn boring.

Pozload Escobar
Aug 21, 2016

by Reene

ElNarez posted:

4v4 isn't the problem, high cooldowns and the high ttk are why PvP is so goddamn boring.

No 4v4 is absolutely a problem and there’s a reason most casual players stayed in the 6v6 playlists instead of 3v3 for D1

SUNKOS
Jun 4, 2016


haveblue posted:

It's really hard to estimate how hard a particular task would be in a codebase of this size with no knowledge of it. At the very least you'd have to have to update the HUD and match intro cutscenes and probably a bunch of other internal things I can't think of off the top of my head, all of which would be heavily dependent on how well and flexibly they were written in the first place.

Good points regarding the HUD & intro, but considering the game counts fireteams as 4/6 I think we all know deep down that it would be a very quick change to make, he's just fallen into the trap some developers do where they think they know better than everyone else and double down with dumb excuses to defend their bad decisions.

Does anyone really think that the game was developed with 4v4 in mind and maps like Vostok are just comically large because Bungie wanted to explore the walking simulator genre? It was obviously changed from 6v6 to 4v4 at the last minute and the only reason it would remain 4v4 is because Lars can't admit he screwed up and should have listened to his team. Looking on Glassdoor you can see this arrogance is rife among development leads in the studio.

hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

I can still like the live team, right? It's just the jackhole dev team who are horrible?

UnfortunateSexFart
May 18, 2008

𒃻 𒌓ð’‰𒋫 𒆷ð’€𒅅𒆷
𒆠𒂖 𒌉 𒌫 ð’®𒈠𒈾𒅗 𒂉 𒉡𒌒𒂉𒊑


Roman posted:

Eververse was supposed to be a way to make money off of people like me, but then they made a sequel that, after a point, you only needed to play for about 2 hours a week max

What about those of us who only can/want to play a couple hours a week? Honest question, I thought D1 had too much grinding, especially pre-TTK.

I bought the game on XBAWX ONE X for $50 off but am waiting for the X patch to play.

Insane Totoro
Dec 5, 2005

Take cover!!!
That Totoro has an AR-15!
Isn't that all development leads on some level?

Waffle House
Oct 27, 2004

You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.


I think Lars is full of poo poo and that he's being intentionally-not-technically-wrong about 6v6 because it's not going to be 6v6. :v:

Insane Totoro
Dec 5, 2005

Take cover!!!
That Totoro has an AR-15!

Waffle House posted:

I think Lars is full of poo poo and that he's being intentionally-not-technically-wrong about 6v6 because it's not going to be 6v6. :v:

EIGHT VERSUS EIGHT

Emron
Aug 2, 2005

What if the switch to 4v4 crucible has nothing to do with balance but was just the cheapest way to reduce lag

Waffle House
Oct 27, 2004

You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.


Emron posted:

What if the switch to 4v4 crucible has nothing to do with balance but was just the cheapest way to reduce lag

Probably a better plan to balance based off micro first, too. I keep forgetting the game's only been out for like two months

FishBulb
Mar 29, 2003

Marge, I'd like to be alone with the sandwich for a moment.

Are you going to eat it?

...yes...

Emron posted:

What if the switch to 4v4 crucible has nothing to do with balance but was just the cheapest way to reduce lag

This has been my assumption the whole time

Pozload Escobar
Aug 21, 2016

by Reene

FishBulb posted:

This has been my assumption the whole time

It obviously played a large part and remember this is a commercial product so they made the decision to make the pvp boring poo poo instead of going under the hood or redoing the infrastructure.

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hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

"That's not an investment we're willing to make" - Luke Smith, AAA game developer

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