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R. Guyovich posted:deleted https://twitter.com/laylasafavi/status/936481600874864640 it was a threaded tweet about LDR using their mental health credentials to help with sex pesting or something 
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all the dsa people I've met and worked with irl are very nice and work well with other groups so I'm not sure why everybody itt is so sectarian. seems like every page somebody is making GBS threads on the iso or psl or some group
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apropos to nothing posted:all the dsa people I've met and worked with irl are very nice and work well with other groups so I'm not sure why everybody itt is so sectarian. seems like every page somebody is making GBS threads on the iso or psl or some group you'll notice it's only certain people doing that
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freckle posted:https://twitter.com/laylasafavi/status/936481600874864640 *moves opinion slider from "DM Sex Pest" to RETIR EBINCH*
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Ace of Baes posted:If we dont have (actual) socialism within 50 years well probably end up with a weird form of anarchism or feudalism in the post apocalyptic wasteland that's probably true and if we get socialism in 50 years we all win anyways. i think playing the long game is something that we need to learn anyways and i'm preparing for it unless someone dms me my ticket to the revolution early
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apropos to nothing posted:all the dsa people I've met and worked with irl are very nice and work well with other groups so I'm not sure why everybody itt is so sectarian. seems like every page somebody is making GBS threads on the iso or psl or some group we love drama lol
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an actual dog posted:we love drama lol 
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We have people who are in CPUSA and SPUSA in our DSA local and it's great. They really help people understand some of the differences in ideologies and it's great when someone goes "well those Communists believe this!" and a CPUSA pipes up with a "well, actually..."
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From a Progressive/Socialist standpoint, who would be the best candidate for Governor of Maine? https://ballotpedia.org/Maine_gubernatorial_election,_2018
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wait CPUSA still exists? i thought it split to death in the 70s
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Raskolnikov38 posted:wait CPUSA still exists? i thought it split to death in the 70s Their website looks pretty decent, being from the 70s and all. http://www.cpusa.org
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There's something to be learned from CPUSA and I think it's only how to deal w cops
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im in the dsa Dmessy Sbitches who love drama of America
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unfortunately for cpusa i associate all pusa acronyms with someone dressed like a baby to own the libs
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Pretty sure cpusa endorsed Hillary lol
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They did which is funny as hell, the couple cpusa people I've met seem pretty chill though.
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apokaladle posted:They did which is funny as hell, the couple cpusa people I've met seem pretty chill though. eh, they said to vote "against trump" so vote Clinton in battlegrounds and whatever you want (recommending Stein) in solid blue or red states https://www.snopes.com/did-the-communist-party-of-the-usa-endorse-hillary-clinton/
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Ruzihm posted:eh, they said to vote "against trump" so vote Clinton in battlegrounds and whatever you want (recommending Stein) in solid blue or red states https://www.snopes.com/did-the-communist-party-of-the-usa-endorse-hillary-clinton/ Fair enough, still funny though. BRB gotta tell my mom that she aligns with cpusa official statements
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apropos to nothing posted:all the dsa people I've met and worked with irl are very nice and work well with other groups so I'm not sure why everybody itt is so sectarian. seems like every page somebody is making GBS threads on the iso or psl or some group ISO is an extremely funny organization. It's very hard not to mock them, even if they weren't actively attempting to poach members
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there was to a big socialist halloween/oct revolution party where the theme was "wear red and have a good time" and they sat at a back table dressed entirely in black and spent the whole time handing out pamphlets and frowning. i will never not think that is funny
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Why did they do that? Are they mourning the loss of the USSR? Is fun counterrevolutionary?
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Gotta "make soldiers out of thinkers and thinkers out of soldiers" constantly fun distracts you from the mission
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Goon Danton posted:Why did they do that? Are they mourning the loss of the USSR? Is fun counterrevolutionary? Why would trots mourn the fall of a degenerate workers state?
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Vhak lord of hate posted:there was to a big socialist halloween/oct revolution party where the theme was "wear red and have a good time" and they sat at a back table dressed entirely in black and spent the whole time handing out pamphlets and frowning. This reads like a portlandia skit. God bless them
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Dreddout posted:Why would trots mourn the fall of a degenerate workers state? Maybe they're mourning it falling when Stalin took over? 
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Dreddout posted:Zegermans new gimmick is being an unironic Trot I actually don't know a single thing about the philosophical disagreements between Trotsky and the rest of the revolutionaries, can I get cliff notes?
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Vhak lord of hate posted:there was to a big socialist halloween/oct revolution party where the theme was "wear red and have a good time" and they sat at a back table dressed entirely in black and spent the whole time handing out pamphlets and frowning.
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zegermans posted:I actually don't know a single thing about the philosophical disagreements between Trotsky and the rest of the revolutionaries, can I get cliff notes? this was in opposition to stalin's USSR which, according to the trotskyists, was not governed by workers but by a stalinist bureaucracy. the USSR under stalin also adopted an internally-focused theory of "socialism in one country" after the revolutions elsewhere in europe went down in flames. the trots will go "that's not communism." but the stalinists will go "well, we'd like world communism but we're not gonna wait around for it."
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zegermans posted:I actually don't know a single thing about the philosophical disagreements between Trotsky and the rest of the revolutionaries, can I get cliff notes? everyone wanted to pick his brain on that
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Annual Prophet posted:everyone wanted to pick his brain on that 
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Annual Prophet posted:everyone wanted to pick his brain on that 
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Annual Prophet posted:everyone wanted to pick his brain on that 
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Annual Prophet posted:everyone wanted to pick his brain on that and people say communists have no sense of humor
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trotskyism is basically just doing what trotsky laid out in the transitional program. the idea is that capitalism cant be reformed via social democracy and so we need to build the forces that are capable of overthrowing it via political revolution. to build up support for socialism, we should fight for transitional demands which are basically just reforms which are "impossible" not because they cant be achieved but because the capitalists wont let them happen without a fight, so stuff like a 15$ wage or universal healthcare. in fighting for these reforms alongside people who aren't socialists we can help win these fights sometimes but also help educate and demonstrate that the issue isnt just lack of affordable healthcare, but the capitalist system itself. what these demands are varies from place and time depending on the level of consciousness and struggle that the working class is engaged in at that time so in 1917 russia transitional demands were peace, land, and bread while here in 2017 america theyre universal healthcare and higher wages
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I get the sense that most of the differences between Trotsky and orthodox Marxist-Leninism is stuff that developed or deepened after the split, which mostly happened because Stalin rightly saw him as a threat rather than any real intractable theoretical disagreement.
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Baby Babbeh posted:I get the sense that most of the differences between Trotsky and orthodox Marxist-Leninism is stuff that developed or deepened after the split, which mostly happened because Stalin rightly saw him as a threat rather than any real intractable theoretical disagreement. to a large degree yes. when they both arrived back in russia, trotsky and lenin came to the same conclusions about what needed to be done for the workers to gain power and the model they followed is pretty much what trotsky outlines in the transitional program. it's also important to say after the split that it wasnt like the ussr under stalin just tried to eliminate trotsky, it was anyone who was part of the left opposition, who were in large part focused around the need for greater control by the workers of the industry and the government which had both become bureaucratized and centralized during the civil war. even after the left opposition was eliminated many of the old bolsheviks who had at one time or another sided with stalin and the party majority like zinoviev, kamenev, rykov, and others who were instrumental before during and after the revolution were found guilty in show trials and executed. originally trotskyism and trotskyite were slurs against the 4th international. most trotskyists are just as influenced by lenin, luxembourg and other socialists as by trotsky.
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