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marxismftw posted:Cuz followup is always fun, remember when everyone got all mad about WSP going after left lane campers? Some people were like, "that's racist" because police are tools of oppression, others claimed that left lane campers were annoying and violated state law and maybe impeded the flow of traffic. Well it was more than a PR campaign to reduce white fragility, as some here claimed, but rather an attempt to stem an epidemic of bad driving.
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The only way the PNW will truly become pure and free is if we ban all driving and become one with our salmon once more.
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marxismftw posted:Cuz followup is always fun, remember when everyone got all mad about WSP going after left lane campers? Some people were like, "that's racist" because police are tools of oppression, others claimed that left lane campers were annoying and violated state law and maybe impeded the flow of traffic. Well it was more than a PR campaign to reduce white fragility, as some here claimed, but rather an attempt to stem an epidemic of bad driving. have you considered that acab
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:have you considered that acab
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marxismftw posted:Cuz followup is always fun, remember when everyone got all mad about WSP going after left lane campers? Some people were like, "that's racist" because police are tools of oppression, others claimed that left lane campers were annoying and violated state law and maybe impeded the flow of traffic. Well it was more than a PR campaign to reduce white fragility, as some here claimed, but rather an attempt to stem an epidemic of bad driving. This is good. Bad drivers and many actions that cops take are bad.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:It seems the new building is something our new PPS Superintendent is pushing hard for right out of the gate. He doesn't even do us the courtesy of making his argument before the community first. This stuff is especially stupid because gifted kids by their nature are a lot more easily separated into classrooms within already existing Portland schools than special needs kids who require a lot more infrastructure and human capital. Gifted kids do need special instruction, but yeah I agree if you need to pick a group of kids to mainstream better them than the kids who are so high needs that they have their own school. Who are undoubtedly a poorer cohort as well.
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therobit posted:Gifted kids do need special instruction, but yeah I agree if you need to pick a group of kids to mainstream better them than the kids who are so high needs that they have their own school. Who are undoubtedly a poorer cohort as well. Bus full of gifted kids not adequately dealt with will begin to disassemble the bus. All learning differences should have proper and adequate public education options. It's dangerous to mainstream any of them.
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BrandorKP posted:Bus full of gifted kids not adequately dealt with will begin to disassemble the bus. no, it's literally dangerous to mainstream children who have exhibited emotional and/or behavioral issues that are so severe they present a threat to themselves and those around them. this issue goes far beyond curriculum and mental engagement. that being said, I agree that there should be adequate responses to the full spectrum of learning. perhaps PPS will crack that nut shortly after taking care of the literal lead in the water fountains.
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BrandorKP posted:Bus full of gifted kids not adequately dealt with will begin to disassemble the bus. I agree, but PPS can't even figure out building maintenance and they have a months long backlog of service requests due to a combination of mismanagement and luck of funds. If you have to choose, the special ed kids have a greater need and will be worse off if mainstreamed. For some reason PPS has decided that either the black kids or the disabled kids is going to have to get sent to a bunch of different schools to make room for mostly white kids with rich parents. Since the black kids had community organizations and parents to push back for them we have moved on to loving with the disabled kids. I mean Jesus Christ pass a loving bond levy if you need another building. Teachers avoid working for PPS despite the fact that they pay more than the suburbs for a reason. It is run about as poorly as the state government.
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BrandorKP posted:Yes, it is dangerous to mainstream any of them. I think we're operating on different definitions of what 'mainstreaming' means. I'm not advocating that you dump either groups of students in regular classrooms- that wouldn't serve anyone, including "mainstream" students. What I am saying is that you can provide gifted/advanced coursework and classes through existing facilities and staff without presenting a risk to anyone involved. The same can not be said for the current student body at Pioneer. My frame of reference with this is the work I've done to help develop physical education curriculum in PPS. I've partnered with a curriculum specialist who wanted to launch a pilot program through Pioneer. After walking through our internal procedures her first question concerned developing a response plan for participants who attempt to use our equipment as weapons against staff and/or other students. I don't know that I've ever heard of contingency plans like that for programs that utilize Lego Power Function kits.
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We shouldn't have to choose; education should be funded properly and equitably. Most often it's not because of racism. The rich will always want the gifted programs, not because they want thier kids to be gifted and talented, but because they want them labeled G&T. This is terrible for everyone of course.
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:I think we're operating on different definitions of what 'mainstreaming' means. I'm not advocating that you dump either groups of students in regular classrooms- that wouldn't serve anyone, including "mainstream" students. What I am saying is that you can provide gifted/advanced coursework and classes through existing facilities and staff without presenting a risk to anyone involved. The same can not be said for the current student body at Pioneer. I don't think we are that far apart. As long as it's cohort, I think the G&T kids are being served adequately. There are still risks, but they're more destroy the tech lab type risks and less immediate physical violence. But, physical violence isn't absent as a risk and I'm speaking personally here. To be clear, I think pioneer should stay as it is. It's phenomenally stupid to have to choose one or the other.
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Frankly it is better for everyone to have the TAG kids in at least some classes with the rest of them to be examples of what a good student looks like. And it doesn't usually harm the TAG kids as long as class sizes are small enough that you can differentiate content to different ability levels.
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therobit posted:Frankly it is better for everyone to have the TAG kids in at least some classes with the rest of them to be examples of what a good student looks like. And it doesn't usually harm the TAG kids as long as class sizes are small enough that you can differentiate content to different ability levels. Difference makes one a target. Having experienced all the various types of programs, cohort is by far the best solution (and it is best at a dedicated school).
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BrandorKP posted:Difference makes one a target. As a former tag kid who faced that kind of targeting I think it's better they learn to live in the world. I also think that from a resource standpoint giving separate facilities to aldeady privileged kids is not a wise use of education dollars.
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:I don't want to downplay your personal experience but it seems to be affecting your stance on the matter a bit more than it should Yeah, I can in no way be objective about it. therobit posted:As a former tag kid who faced that kind of targeting I think it's better they learn to live in the world. I also think that from a resource standpoint giving separate facilities to aldeady privileged kids is not a wise use of education dollars. Yeah it's only recently that I became aware how utterly poo poo most of the country's gifted programs are. But I'm trailer trash that went to one of the best (at the very least top five) programs in the country. "Already privileged" is not always the case, and not fitting the expected trajectory is not a privilege. Cohort is so much healthier is bypasses the question of seperateness. Also D&D is a statistical anomaly, there are so loving many of us here.
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I was almost but not quite good enough to make it into a TAG program.
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I was in what I assume is the Washington version, the Challenge program from 2nd through 6th grade.
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I was in TAG and it was the loving worst and it probably contributed to my lifelong problems with math because they would pull us out during math period and never offered anything to supplement or replace that missed time.
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therobit posted:So Portland Public Schools is closing the Pioneer School for high needs special ed kids so they have a place to put the Access Academy Talented and Gifted program. This is after they tried to clos a poor, black neighborhood school to put Access Academy there, but got too much pushback from the community. Seems like they can't take a hint. Originally, the plan was to move the Access Academy kids into a bunch of conventional middle schools. Another stunningly stupid idea. All the teachers at my school were stunned they would even consider it. PPS is such a mess. BrandorKP posted:Difference makes one a target. This is why everyone in our building hated the idea. The kids from Access were going to get eaten alive at my school. Their quality of instruction was going to drop, and their quality of life was going to crater. Moving Pioneer is going to like double (triple?) the number of paraeducators we're required to have. Unfortunately, nobody will take those jobs at my school so you end up with kids going absolutely bananas and punching teachers. It is very cool. Schwack fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Dec 11, 2017 |
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Reene posted:I was in TAG and it was the loving worst and it probably contributed to my lifelong problems with math because they would pull us out during math period and never offered anything to supplement or replace that missed time. Meanwhile in some cohort programs they get diff-eqs in high school... Pull-out is so drat bad. Look here's the bottom line, any parent with a child with learning differences, the further that child is from the norm, in any direction, the more desperate they are. It's an abomination that we don't have adequate educational services for all.
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I heard on the radio that former Speaker of the Oregon House and Portland mayor Vera Katz died this morning.
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BrandorKP posted:It's an abomination that we don't have adequate educational services for all. This is the problem, solve it and you can do what is willed with education services. Till then the operational equivalent of "SURVIVE" written in blood on a trapper keeper is all we get. Pretty sure your in logistics operations, think it out a little bit.
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I guess Hillary Clinton was in Seattle last night and is in Portland today promoting her book
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I heard on the radio that former Speaker of the Oregon House and Portland mayor Vera Katz died this morning. anthonypants posted:I guess Hillary Clinton was in Seattle last night and is in Portland today promoting her book Killary at it again
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Apparently the Oregonian has a poll for 2017 person of the year, and one of the people they picked is the leader of a local nazi group and wouldn't you know it he's winning https://twitter.com/jyu_pdx/status/940707662705991680 Other entries in this list include the two men murdered by a different nazi earlier this year, and the third man who was injured in that attack.
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None of that matters because Seattle might get an NHL team.
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If part of Bread & Circuses includes NHL hockey in Seattle then sign me the hell up.
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One of the potential names I heard was The Sockeyes. Which would be the best name for a hockey team ever.
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Just name them the Bezos. Maybe then Amazon won't build HQ2 someplace else.
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anthonypants posted:I guess Hillary Clinton was in Seattle last night and is in Portland today promoting her book
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anthonypants posted:Apparently the Oregonian has a poll for 2017 person of the year, and one of the people they picked is the leader of a local nazi group and wouldn't you know it he's winning https://twitter.com/jyu_pdx/status/940707662705991680 Stormfront is actively troll bombing the poll.
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:Stormfront is actively troll bombing the poll.
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DevNull posted:One of the potential names I heard was The Sockeyes. Which would be the best name for a hockey team ever. What the gently caress, that's our ultimate Frisbee team name
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:Stormfront is actively troll bombing the poll. The poll is an accurate representative of Olive comments section, so what are you going to do?
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Oscar Wild posted:The poll is an accurate representative of Olive comments section, so what are you going to do? punch nazis I guess idk
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Washington's attorney general is one of the ones filing suit for net neutrality, and he released a statement with this beautiful line:quote:We are 5-0 against the Trump Administration because they often fail to follow the law when taking executive action. There is a strong legal argument that with this action, the federal government violated the Administrative Procedure Act — again.
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