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FCKGW posted:It's pretty much the model and originator of the master planned community. If it makes you feel any better, in my experience a lot of younger professionals (~35 and younger) are much more liberal.
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Dirk the Average posted:If it makes you feel any better, in my experience a lot of younger professionals (~35 and younger) are much more liberal. OC also got a ton of Asian immigrants that tended to be conservative anti-communist types, but in many cases their kids are much more liberal.
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On the other hand, it was only about 18 years ago that a shopkeeper in Little Saigon got his place surrounded by anticommunist protesters for displaying a poster of Ho Chi Minh. It's pretty likely that Trump and the GOP going full White Nationalist in all but name was what had some old Vietnamese voters deciding to jump on board with Clinton instead since they did remember how it was only Thien's murderer writing a letter boasting about how he (Lindberg) "killed a Jap" that he got caught.
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Dirk the Average posted:If it makes you feel any better, in my experience a lot of younger professionals (~35 and younger) are much more liberal. Yeah, OC went blue in the last election for the first time in like 70 years. It’s days are numbered.
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Can someone explain how CA has hosed up the marijuana thing so bad? Somehow I got roped into a conversation about how even though CA voted to legalize it, most of the state is still outlawing it anyway. I hadn't really paid any attention because I don't smoke but after I got home I looked it up and it seems that nothing has really changed.
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Most of the legalization effects in the bill are supposed to take effect Jan 1st to give local municipalities time to approve business licenses and zoning for shops.
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Dispensaries before full legalization have been shady in general, so NIMBY cities don’t want them.
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As I understand it they're a magnet for robbery, since they can't get merchant accounts and have to keep large amounts of cash on site.
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Doc Hawkins posted:As I understand it they're a magnet for robbery, since they can't get merchant accounts and have to keep large amounts of cash on site.
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Dec 11, 2017 17:32
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Are those not issues in CO and WA? Didn't things go much more smoothly there?
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Doc Hawkins posted:As I understand it they're a magnet for robbery, since they can't get merchant accounts and have to keep large amounts of cash on site. Also the ridiculous zoning restrictions in many cities push them into seedy industrial areas and back alleys. I tried to explain this to my city councilman, but he didn't get it. The illegal dispensaries definitely burnt bridges, but it was sort of their own drat fault for making zoning so restricted.
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I was working a public hearing in Carson when the city council was gearing up for some kind of vote about it and lemme tell you, there are a lot of people who don't see any difference between weed and meth. Most of them are over 40 and have the time to show up to a city council meeting at 10am on a Wednesday.
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please support ballot Proposition 69 to institute carousal for all people over 30 and to take away dead reckoning's guns
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Raskolnikov38 posted:please support ballot Proposition 69 to institute carousal for all people over 30 and to take away dead reckoning's guns Only if it includes a provision to melt them down in front of him.
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Dec 11, 2017 21:38
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Waltzing Along posted:Are those not issues in CO and WA? Didn't things go much more smoothly there? I mean, nothing's really been implemented in CA so we don't have anything to compare it to. CA's weed law said if you have a couple weed plants, you can smoke that poo poo. You can't sell your stash and you can't buy it yet. Give us a year for cities to get the legal and business framework in place and then it's fully legit. I don't think they wanted cities to be scrambling to make their own bespoke weed laws immediately after the vote. CA's just taking a much more cautious approach which may be beneficial given their size. I'm sure come Jan 1 everything will be fine.
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California made weed legal the same way it's legal to yell racist poo poo at animals; you can do it at home or maybe in an alleyway, but anywhere else someone's probably gonna call the cops on you. It's pretty frustrating how we are handling it. Chico is a lovely college town with a pretty huge weed culture, a regular noticeable rush of "trimmigrants" every year, and the city council just voted for no dispensaries within city limits and no outdoor grows. It's frustrating working in a bar with this changeover because everyone simply thinks they can smoke weed anywhere they want now, and I have to come down super hard on folks and gently caress up their whole night over it.
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Doc Hawkins posted:As I understand it they're a magnet for robbery, since they can't get merchant accounts and have to keep large amounts of cash on site. They’re huge magnets. I was writing software for the last dispensary in Santa Ana in 2012 and one of the owners was kidnapped out of his home, dragged out to the Mojave desert and then tortured and mutilated for the combination to the safe they had on site.
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They are also great for criminal organizations to launder money through. Among other things.
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Aren't those issues easily resolved with POS systems and bank accounts?
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Waltzing Along posted:Aren't those issues easily resolved with POS systems and bank accounts?
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Ah, that makes sense. I've also noticed it seems the no drugs sentiment is stronger in the more conservative, states rights > federal rights, cities. That's funny.
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there outta be a law against them wacky jazz cigarettes, but keep gubment hands off mah gunnnnz black people smoke weed
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CrazyLittle posted:there outta be a law against them wacky jazz cigarettes, but keep gubment hands off mah gunnnnz To be fair, the Founding Fathers did not see fit to enshrine the right to blaze it in the Constitution
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CrazyLittle posted:there outta be a law against them wacky jazz cigarettes, but keep gubment hands off mah gunnnnz For the three people in the thread who didn't already know: California gun control laws are directly rooted in an attempt to attack the Black Panthers.
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The weed thing is a fiasco. Also if you're sad about the state of San Bernardino they literally lost an Air Force base, a huge trainyard + logistics area, and several gigantic multinational corporate headquarters over the span of about 15 years. Globalization hosed them good.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The weed thing is a fiasco. Could you elaborate?
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Cup Runneth Over posted:To be fair, the Founding Fathers did not see fit to enshrine the right to blaze it in the Constitution They also didnt imagine that their effete descendants would create Prohibition, but there we were.
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SF Mayor Ed Lee died last night. Heart attack at a Safeway. Sad news for his family and friends.
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That’s sad. I didn’t care for his deference to tech, but he seemed like a nice enough person.
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Waltzing Along posted:Could you elaborate? The weed is going to be hugely over-taxed making it expensive, municipalities will regulate them to the outskirts of town or ban them altogether, as mentioned they will be a target for crime because they can't get merchant accounts at banks and so will keep cash on hand. So CA managed to legalize weed while making it expensive, hard to acquire, and attracting crime. Why did we do this again?
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The weed is going to be hugely over-taxed making it expensive, municipalities will regulate them to the outskirts of town or ban them altogether, as mentioned they will be a target for crime because they can't get merchant accounts at banks and so will keep cash on hand. The banking thing isn't really up to California, thats a federal problem
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I would like to know how other states addressed the first two problems differently, especially zoning; what is the state legislature supposed to do about cities wanting to restrict or even ban dispensaries? Legally speaking, they can ban pinball machines if they feel like it.
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Doc Hawkins posted:I would like to know how other states addressed the first two problems differently, especially zoning; what is the state legislature supposed to do about cities wanting to restrict or even ban dispensaries? Legally speaking, they can ban pinball machines if they feel like it. The powers of cities vary from state to state. In some states the legislature can directly override city code if they choose so. But afaik Washington and Colorado both allowed cities to ban sales.
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Doc Hawkins posted:I would like to know how other states addressed the first two problems differently, especially zoning; what is the state legislature supposed to do about cities wanting to restrict or even ban dispensaries? Legally speaking, they can ban pinball machines if they feel like it. Modesto banned dispensaries from the city so now there’s like half a dozen ringing the city limits, the one I use to go to was half a block down from the city limit sign
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The Glumslinger posted:The banking thing isn't really up to California, thats a federal problem Fair enough but the dispensary I went to in Washington took credit cards, IIRC.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Fair enough but the dispensary I went to in Washington took credit cards, IIRC. It's not against the law, the that most financial institutions are voluntarily refusing to do business with them. A few smaller, regional banks don't care and will step in.
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Every dispensary and delivery service I've been to or used in the Bay Area has taken credit cards  I have no idea if everything is legit (through a credit union?), but when I've inquired as to how they had it set up, they acted like it was no big deal.My parents, who fully acknowledge the illegality of it is ridiculous, but didn't want to go the MMJ route (or just get it from me) because of some perceived impropriety with how bunk that whole process is, are now asking me about getting a recommendation because they don't want to pay the taxes and their city doesn't sound like it'll be allowing retail. People are weird about weed.
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The answer is they're probably doing credit processing through a high-risk provider that gives them horrible rates. The banks won't usually touch these things directly but they don't care as much what an ISO does at an arms length. Same thing is common in the porn industry.
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BeeSeeBee posted:People in california are weird(ly hypocritical) about weed. Colorado already figured this out years ago. Profound incompetence to what is easiest modern tax goose in our time.
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Idk I like that California is thinking about things like how to get minorities — who have been disproportionately affected by the drug war — involved from the outset.
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