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That DICK! posted:i just talked to a pretty fancy lawyer and he's not as optimistic about this lawsuit as most. he says sicne the game isn't out and probably won't ever be they basically can't show profits and any money they collect related to the crowdfunding stuff would have to be stipulated in the contract CIG breached. also the permanent injunction only barely maybe stands a chance as it relates to squadron 42 not star citizen because that's all contract breach stuff not copyright infringement stuff Yeah. That's why that attorney isn't working for a powerhouse like Skadden which doesn't take small cases, let alone meritless cases. This is why you have good, not-so-good, and bad attorneys. Nobody thought the injunction stood a chance. It's a freebie thrown in just in case they get a judge who just happened to be high that day. They are VERY difficult to get, but it's a few lines that's procedural in lawsuits like this. As to the income, that's rubbish. It's income. The law doesn't care if it was via panhandling, crowd-funding or whatever. Plus, CIG/RSI did their work for them by PUBLICLY listing how much they had raised. Like right there on the loving website. And it has NOTHING to do with expenses. Royalties are calculated on income based on gross or net; regardless it's still income. ----------------
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Golli posted:This time it is CIG who are at the wrong end of a 'death by litigation' battle. They are used to being the side with attorneys that have nothing better to do than create work for a consumer (who typically doesn't have a large legal budget). There is nothing Ortwin has that would make a Firm like that decide to move forward and accept money from a client without knowing it had legs.
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peter gabriel posted:CryTek: 'So if we win we get everything?' Chris Roberts: “Black, jack, no take backs!” He then races to the getaway copter for the long-rehearsed Plan B, the escape to South America to begin the next chapter in his unfolding narrative. 6 months later, a new video is released on Kickstarter. CHRIS: “Hi, I’m Chris Roberts. Every since I saw Star Wars as a wide-eyed 8 year old, I dreamt of being a hot shot pilot and saving the galaxy or a lovable rogue making my way across the cosmos. It inspired me to make Wing Commander and everything I’ve done since then. 6 years ago after 13 years of making movies I was burned out and so I took a break but I never stopped watching movies nor loving them, and now? I’m ready to come back, and I’d like to show you what I’ve been working on...”
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DapperDon posted:There is nothing Ortwin has that would make a Firm like that decide to move forward and accept money from a client without knowing it had legs. Exactly. It still blows me away that some people are going into this legal theorycrafting with the assumption that CIG is some kind of corporate powerhouse. They're a company without a product, built from the ground up from gifted money, who have produced literally nothing of value for hundreds of millions of dollars which still isn't income because they've not delivered anything - it's debt. It's a giant IOU, regardless of whether or not they chose to call it a "pledge" or a "donation" - at some point you're pledging or donating toward something, in CIG's case a game they will never make. This is not Microsoft, this is not Intel, this is not WalMart - gently caress, it's not even Rack Room Shoes. This is CIG - a company just shy of being imaginary. They just don't have the chops for this.
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SomethingJones posted:I'm going to buy all the Crysis games and Far Crys to help fund the ELE Spite buy!
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So how much money do you think you have to pay Disney to get people who watch the new Star Wars film to look up your video game?
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peter gabriel posted:Bugsmashing It’s not Cryengine! NARRATOR: It was always Cryengine.
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Colostomy Bag posted:I think the saddest part about all this is the space news van might be delayed. gently caress you’re right. I’ll never get to make a hairy Roberts in the mixmaster.  I’m curious if their funding tracker will still hover magically around 80k a day after this. I can’t imagine anybody is thinking that Star Citizen has a chance at this point.
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SomethingJones posted:From the FDev forum It's rubbish. You're never - ever - buying the source in this sort of thing. You are buying a license to use the source code. e.g. https://twitter.com/Futterish/status/941071013223288834 ----------------
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I wonder if they get all of the assets but none of the obligations to release anything. Only the assets.
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plus didnt original backers on kickstarter or w/e actually pay for the finished game, rather than 'pledging' for a no obligation space ship
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juggalo baby coffin posted:did anyone make a joke about going from face over ip to case over ip?
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hey any backers who are reading this and are maybe thinking it's a good time to get a refund - it's a good time to get a refund. however, it's probably not a great time. a great time probably would have been a year ago. or even before that. every hour that ticks by, however, will be a progressively worse time to get a refund than the time before it. i guess the moral here is to strike while the space-iron is hot. get a refund, citizen https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/
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bun post e: The_Groove posted:more like hand over IP 
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SoftNum posted:what CIG forked CryEngine 3.7 and modified it by over 50%. Amazon forked CryEngine 3.8 and modified it by over 50%. CIG rebased their branch onto Amazon's branch of CryEngine. Miraculously this took 'a couple' of developers, 'a couple' of days. Of course this is how code works. Welcome to Star Citizen.
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Scruffpuff posted:At least Sandi will get away scot-free, since nobody in the world will recognize her. 
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Complications posted:no but there was a joke about hand over IP poo poo thats way better than mine
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Mirificus posted:
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It's possible that Squadron 42 doesn't actually exist, right? Maybe they're thinking that this is their ace in the hole. They'll email the bank an empty Perforce directory labeled "Squadron 42" as collateral and ride off into the sunset.
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Dusty Lens posted:So how much money do you think you have to pay Disney to get people who watch the new Star Wars film to look up your video game? If what was mentioned upthread was true about CIG trying (and failing) to get SQ42 commercials into Star Wars trailers, plus this dropping the day of Star War's release, how much you want to bet it was entirely intentional and only lost some potential punch because CIG failed to deliver a video in time? 
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alf_pogs posted:hey any backers who are reading this and are maybe thinking it's a good time to get a refund - it's a good time to get a refund. Ah yes, the old chinese proverb: "The best time to get a refund is 2 years ago. The second best time is now."
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ewe2 posted:A most astute observation from the Frontier forums: I am aware of the GLA. There is no termination clause. And if there was one, CIG would have exercised it. Skadden would have seen it. And it would have been mentioned in the lawsuit as it's a material fact. ----------------
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I find it heartwarming that this filing makes it clear that CryTek have instructed their attorneys to go for the kill -- leave no opportunity for CIG to exist as an entity after the legal action has completed. They mad.
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Also for today's sensible chuckle, searching for "star citizen" in google's news section: no such thing as bad publicity, right? right?
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Nyast posted:I'm playing the devil's advocate here but.. maybe their defense is simply that LY, being based off CE means that they did not really switch to another engine ? From a licensing perspective Lumberyard and CryEngine are two separate products even though they share a common heritage. But Lumberyard is lumberyard and Amazon is allowed to distribute or sub license it out under the terms of the deal they made with CryTek. CryEngine is an entirely different product as far as licensing is concerned.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I wonder if they get all of the assets but none of the obligations to release anything. They would be completely protected from any of that. In fact, these past months, it's been discussed to death behind the scenes. Whoever gets the assets, have ZERO liability or accountability to backers. Zero. None. Why? Because CryTek was not part of any legal obligations that CIG made with the world. ----------------
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SoftNum posted:
Oh yeah, Ben Parry, a n00b, was actually using that image to engage me in a technical discussion. Me, a guy with 30 years experience, 16 shipped games, three loving advanced degrees - including a Goddamn Ph.D - and BDSSE aspirations. So I wrote a blog that almost got him fired from the fallout. http://www.dereksmart.com/2016/12/star-citizen-irreconcilable-differences/ The hilarious part? Wait till his JPEG shows up in discovery. He is an employee of the company that made a public comment that's part of a material point in a lawsuit for which those very same aspects are in dispute. This is why you don't - ever - speak in ANY capacity o.b.o of your company - without permission. ----------------
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Abuminable posted:I find it heartwarming that this filing makes it clear that CryTek have instructed their attorneys to go for the kill -- leave no opportunity for CIG to exist as an entity after the legal action has completed. They mad. Salt the earth, leave none alive.
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SoftNum posted:Also it's illegal and punishable to file meritless law suits in the state of California. I'm sure Skadden knows this, and I seriously doubt they would've filed if they didn't think they could win. Of course "use CryEngine" is vague and who knows what the agreement says or escape hatches it has, but I'm unwilling to just dismiss this out of hand. They smell blood. Lots of blood. And that blood tastes like money. Skadden took the case because they know they can win it. They’re going to get millions. Star Citizen confidence has to be zero, or hugely negative. I imagine the amount of refund requests CIG experiences just went through the roof today. You very literally need to be loving brain damaged to think you’re ever going to get your game, and that it’s time to cash out because any money you have in it is about to go to lawyers.
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G0RF posted:JUDGE: “I find for the plaintiff and do hereby award them the largest pile of engineering debts in gaming history in addition to CIG’s toxic gaming community and their attendant dysfunctions and hopeless expectations.” crycon 2019
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