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Chris has really backed himself into a corner through short-sighted, desperation-driven decisions. He needs a demo, so he signs a sell-your-soul contract with Crytek locking him into their engine for life. Crytek starts wanting to get paid. Chris rationalizes why its OK to break the contract to avoid paying. In desperation, signs on with Amazon Lumberyard, and locks the future of the project into using AWS. Now he is at the mercy of Amazon. If Kindly Old Mr Bezos decides to jack up the price of AWS, Chris is hosed. a) if he changes cloud services back to Google - he has to rewrite everything. b) if he doesn't pay - he gets the game turned off. c) if he does pay - Sandi loses her role in American Satan 2
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reverend crabhands posted:Just because I keep seeing this argument crop up, that SC and SQ42 is one game therefor CIG don't owe Crytek another license... Well, see, they'll just clarify that SQ42 was being built on Lumberyard while SC was still on Just kidding! Obviously, in reality, the courts will give CryTek the corporate death penalty for this cynical and malicious cashgrab.
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Hav posted:Reality is fairly mundane, and lawsuits are boring. Some people have a weird view of what these things are about because hollywood. Maybe it's because Europe, but even if you are absolutely right that legal reality is generally pretty mundane and boring, there most certainly are law firms working diligently to shuffle money out of creditor/investor/tax-authority reach. But yeah it's not cloak-and-dagger work, just working with legal loopholes and moving faster than the opposition. I've seen enough to be absolutely sure this happens at all levels - from startups to "non-profit" NGOs to big business. This whole "ethics investigation" seems to be an american concept, over here I don't think there any such requirements - stay within the law and don't work against your client, then you're fine.
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Enchanted Hat posted:I tried Witcher 1 and I just couldn't get into it because the setting was so brown and gritty and I thought Geralt was bland and terrible. Is the tone of the Witcher 3 significantly different? If so, I'll have to pick it up. Witcher 1 was terrible. Pacing was off, and while i enjoyed it, the first ‘boss’ had a stunlock, you really needed to push your advantages and there’s was a fuckton of backtracking. Witcher 2 was tighter, but had a quicktime dragon encounter early on that was loving frustrating, and the control system was mushier. Pacing again was off. Witcher 3 is pretty drat perfect, imo.
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:It's like schrodinger's cat but the cat is dead either way It's a catch 22+ million lawsuit
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So what's the over under on legal people fron Skadden reading this thread ti be pointed for content If so I have a top secret piece of evidence they absolutely need to have: im gay
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HycoCam posted:CIG is going to claim: Game? What game? All we have is an alpha tech demo at best. What is a game? *smashes bug* A miserable little pile of backers!
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Witcher 3's best cut scene is the unicorn cut scene.. Nuff said!
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I love the "I'm not in a cult, YOU'RE in a cult!" response. It's the perfect amalgamation of self delusion, sunk cost fallacy, and deflection. World: "Scientology is a cult!" Scientologists: "Not a cult! You're the cult! Not-Scientology is the cult!"
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lol if some paralegal has to watch every single around the verse taking notes
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Crazypoops posted:and behold a pale horse And its rider's name was FUD, and parp followed him
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Wise Learned Man posted:and just toss 64-bit positioning, nested physics grids, render-to-texture, and all of the fidelity code on a DVD and call it a day. They can't do that. The contract states they must provide a compilable version. A compilable version. You really think with the thousands of changes, bugs and issues they've introduced, they can provide a compilable version back to Crytek ? 
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PederP posted:Maybe it's because Europe, but even if you are absolutely right that legal reality is generally pretty mundane and boring, there most certainly are law firms working diligently to shuffle money out of creditor/investor/tax-authority reach. But yeah it's not cloak-and-dagger work, just working with legal loopholes and moving faster than the opposition. I've seen enough to be absolutely sure this happens at all levels - from startups to "non-profit" NGOs to big business. This whole "ethics investigation" seems to be an american concept, over here I don't think there any such requirements - stay within the law and don't work against your client, then you're fine. Oh, that. That’s entirely legal and ethical. It’s entirely immoral, but the world is going through a correction. We could get into the weeds talking about the flow of dark money, but i don’t think that CiG is there. I’ve been wrong before, but these guys couldn’t license an engine successfully.
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ewe2 posted:Here's a little song I wrote, you might want to learn it note for note, don't worry be happy You deserve a record deal
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Been doing some wannabe warlording around the places and so been reading about Skadden...quote:Skadden, founded in 1948, is an international law firm based in New York City. With approximately 1,700 attorneys, it is one of the highest-grossing law firms in the world. Forbes magazine has called Skadden "Wall Street's most powerful law firm." The firm has been ranked "America's Best Corporate Law Firm" in Corporate Board Member's survey of public company directors every year since 2001.
They are big boys. I mean just to put it in context when some Shitizen says Crytek don't have a leg to stand on, because yes Skadden are clearly going to take on cases they don't think they can win. And IMHO especially so for a case that potentially will be all over the news if it goes to trial. IANAL! reverend crabhands fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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happyhippy posted:So who gets custody of Ben? The soil
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It's still gonna be like 2 years of litigation so everything is gonna go quiet and we will get the normal stuff until one day the court makes a ruling
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Phi230 posted:It's still gonna be like 2 years of litigation so everything is gonna go quiet and we will get the normal stuff until one day the court makes a ruling Funding tracker isn't looking "normal". Not that it ever did, but it's new kind of not-normal.
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Phi230 posted:It's still gonna be like 2 years of litigation so everything is gonna go quiet and we will get the normal stuff until one day the court makes a ruling Filings are public, so relatively quiet with lots of color commentary and dick jokes. Edit: less jokey, Skadden are asking for an injunction and CiG have until early January to respond, so there’s actually going to be some noise. Hav fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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Skadden is at a level of proficiency and competence that CIG didn't even know existed.
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Phi230 posted:It's still gonna be like 2 years of litigation so everything is gonna go quiet and we will get the normal stuff until one day the court makes a ruling If it's being fought, is it likely development would have to go on hold while they get to the truth of it? loving poo poo for the devs at xmas, but if what they are doing is breaching licensing and contractual agreements surely they can't just keep on for 6 months? reverend crabhands fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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So why did CIG choose lumberyard again? Switching engines is some Duke Nukem Forever poo poo
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Derek's having a stream-of-conciencness twitter outburst ATM
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EmesiS posted:On this day Warrel Dane died to bring us the ELE. gently caress GOD loving drat IT
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reverend crabhands posted:If it's being fought, is it likely development would have to go on hold while they get to the truth of it? Skadden are seeking an injunction against further development on infringing code, which is a full stop. They also want damages proportional to their losses according to the signed agreement they had with CiG from the time of infringement, which is a bit blurry at the moment, but it is the tens of millions. They’re attacking on the base of contract breach, the GLA, copyright in removing the crytek marks from the client and reputational damages arising from the same. They offer as evidence, bugsmashers, chris’ announcements and presumably the existence of the GLA. It’s tight, mainly because it’s relying on a readily established material fact like someones name on a contract, what they guy said on camera, and a series of videos. If CiG defends on *any* of those things as misinformation, it destroys credibility. Like you said, these are the big boys. As has been pointed out, the funding tracker might now be exposed as truth or ‘creative’. The lumberyard switch itself becomes exposed. Every ‘fact’ that Skaddens will rely on becomes scrutinized. In my wilder fantasies the funding tracker turns out to be creative accounting as well as incoming money, and that attracts the attention of one of the TLAs beginng with ‘F’ or ‘S’, but it’s not likely.
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Alan Smithee posted:So why did CIG choose lumberyard again? Switching engines is some Duke Nukem Forever poo poo Someone at cig had the brilliant idea if they switched to Amazon and locked their online infrastructure they would get the advantage of not paying cryteks their licensing fees. They even admitted that the reason why they could switch to lumberyard quickly was because they were using legacy versions of cryengine because Amazon was allowed to do so on on their agreement
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Alan Smithee posted:So why did CIG choose lumberyard again? Switching engines is some Duke Nukem Forever poo poo We don’t really know, but my theory is that they wanted some of the extra sugar that comes from the Lumberyard fork rather than having to create their entire networking stack, or they assumed that they’d be left holding a dead engine without a source code agreement. It’s just dumb enough that they might have considered themselves (CiG) too big to sue. One of the co-founders is an entertainment lawyer after all. Arrogance would suit their business model so far. Edit: ^^^. Wasn’t aware that they’d talked other than the migrate took a couple of days.
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Ponzi posted:Derek's having a stream-of-conciencness twitter outburst ATM That morning poop is always very satisfying.
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FailureToReport posted:This. Would it have fixed everything? Probably not, I feel like Chris himself is probably the most harmful part of Star Citizen, but maybe it would have been a different game today if the atmosphere had been different for the last 4 years. I asked Bootcha (who may chime in himself) if Star Citizen could have been made for say 20 million. A massive budget by indie standards. Would that have reigned in his ridiculous excesses? Could a game have come out, probably attracting a niche audience but still getting Chris hailed as a 90s auteur who could deliver a hit of nostalgia? He thought no. Based on what he'd seen, Star Citizen was doomed the moment Chris decided to helm it. That's what gives this whole thing a wonderful air of Greek tragedy to it. CrazyLoon posted:My only fear at this point is that CIG and its cult do what it always has, and that is spew up such a gigantic amount of word salads that even these lawyers just go: "gently caress reading all this poo poo, let's just settle this!" in the end. It's a surprisingly effective defense mechanism and allows poo poo like Ben's pedo jokes, racism and creepy stalker behavior to be completely forgotten amidst the insanity. This is a standard tactic in large-scale litigation. You ask for discovery and they say "how many trucks can you send? Also please pay US$5,000 in upfront photocopying expenses." Actual law firms employ armies of paralegals, junior associates, and these days expert-system learning algorithms to filter the waves. In any other arena I'd expect proper journalists to do the same. One reason I hope this gets play in more mainstream publications is to get that kind of scrutiny pointed at whatever CIG file. You can bet Skadden will do something just as warped in their own disclosure process.
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Mangoose posted:Wait, so let's pretend CIG aren't idiots for a second and that Crytek's claims in the lawsuit are valid... It's worse... https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/942373527893798912.html ----------------
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:I played witcher 1 and it was like pulling teeth,i've been told mixed stories of how w2 is even worse :[ drat i want to play w3 cause i've heard good things about it. Witcher 1 is not worth slogging through for the story in 2017. Watch a let's play or something. The dialogue and voice acting isn't great and the story and villains are forgettable. Witcher 2, on the other hand, is really good and you should not skip it if you have the time. It does take a bit of time to get used to the combat system, but it has a good story and compelling characters. The alchemy system is arguably better than in Witcher 3. Pretty much everything else is several notches below 3, though, and instead of a open world it has a linear plot with one major branch that adds some replay value if you feel like it. Star Citizen is a scam. Get a refund.
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Hav posted:We don’t really know, but my theory is that they wanted some of the extra sugar that comes from the Lumberyard fork rather than having to create their entire networking stack, or they assumed that they’d be left holding a dead engine without a source code agreement. Amazon has an article linked on their AWS | Lumberyard page that includes quotes from Carl Jones talking about the switch. https://aws.amazon.com/lumberyard/ Carl Jones Interview posted:Since you adopted CryEngine 3 before the free-license change, did the move to Lumberyard and its royalty free model, mean it was a cost saving for Cloud Imperium? Golli fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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Loxbourne posted:This is a standard tactic in large-scale litigation. You ask for discovery and they say "how many trucks can you send? Also please pay US$5,000 in upfront photocopying expenses." I suspect that’s not even going to happen. Discovery is universally bad for CiG, so they’ll meet for a speedy out of court settlement with some specific guidelines about what both parties can say, which will be along the lines of, ‘all parties are now satisfied’. The wrinkle comes in finding the juice for the settlement, which then reduces the development budget. If they can’t settle and this goes to a jury trial, it’s over for Star Citizen. It could be over if they really are on their uppers and looking for cashflow. Bear in mind that Derek says that this is not everything, and this is bad enough.
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Golli posted:Amazon has an article linked on their AWS | Lumberyard page that includes quotes from Carl Jones talking about the switch. Exhibit entered into the record. And loving Carl Jones, too. Literally everyday is finding $20 in your old jacket.
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TheAgent posted:welp She can't act for poo poo
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I didn't play witcher 3 because I'm above 12 years old, and as any reasonable and responsible adult I don't play video games. That's why I like star citizen, it's not a game and never will be.
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