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LingcodKilla posted:Has this jumped from rumor to reality? Yes. Keep same rank at same duty station until separation if you can't pass pfa. No early out for failing.
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# ? Dec 20, 2017 08:57 |
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Holy poo poo. So many tears. Wonder if uniforms are going to be offered in bigger sizes now.
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# ? Dec 20, 2017 09:02 |
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Nostalgia4Ass posted:Yes. Keep same rank at same duty station until separation if you can't pass pfa. No early out for failing. Effective immediately or what? Because I got two dudes who gonna get processed after this cycle. E: Can you point to the navadmin? Won't believe this till I see it.
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# ? Dec 20, 2017 09:03 |
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Boon posted:Effective immediately or what? Because I got two dudes who gonna get processed after this cycle. I am on the khaki distro for the ship I am on. Otherwise I wouldn't know anything about Navy PFA regulations. Bunch of folks from 7th Fleet and comnavsurfpac have been sending emails for the last week about it. Everyone has been up in arms because they think that this will suddenly let sailors fail all of their PFAs until they want to get promoted and then they'll suddenly be competitive when they pass one. I have the message at work and I can forward it but I won't be back there for another 16 hours or so.
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# ? Dec 20, 2017 09:17 |
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The navy doesn't throw more bodies at the problem. A big part of the problem is they're still reeling from trying to reduce the number of needed bodies from the early 00s. Optimal manning did decades of damage to the fleet.
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# ? Dec 20, 2017 12:57 |
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shovelbum posted:Just talked to a guy I know who is on a destroyer about the work hours, he told he about getting like three one hour naps per night and nothing else for months, with a crew of hundreds. As a merchant mariner it is just all super alien to me, you can run a thousand foot ultradeepwater drillship 24/7 such that everyone gets 12 hours of rest a day with half the crew I mean I know a destroyer is more complicated than a box full of boxes like I'm used to these days but gently caress man those schedules can't be good for not getting run over But is everyone awake for an hour of cleaning stations? How do your passageways stay spotless without an army of zombie OS's waving radiator brushes at your pipes?
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# ? Dec 20, 2017 15:12 |
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Boon posted:Effective immediately or what? Because I got two dudes who gonna get processed after this cycle. There's nothing on NPC yet and with the holidays coming up you'd think they'd want it out if it affects the cycle that ends in a week.
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# ? Dec 20, 2017 15:26 |
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poopkitty posted:But is everyone awake for an hour of cleaning stations? How do your passageways stay spotless without an army of zombie OS's waving radiator brushes at your pipes? There was nothing worse than spending a mid-8 shift staring at the scopes in cic, then having your oic get a hardon for shiny floors and demanding everyone not on station to start buffing. Well that and the bullshit duty chief throwing an orange flag on your bunk at 8 am on a Saturday in port and saying you spontaneously combusted or some poo poo. I just want to sleep dammit.
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# ? Dec 20, 2017 16:30 |
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Mr. Nice! posted:The navy doesn't throw more bodies at the problem. A big part of the problem is they're still reeling from trying to reduce the number of needed bodies from the early 00s. Optimal manning did decades of damage to the fleet. It's hard to compare to a merchant ship due to the warfighting need but there are only about 20 people on one. The merchant marine also has manning issues but it's one of the most hazardous jobs in the world with one of the highest suicide rates. Still, a just graduated 3rd engineer can be making 90k+ in 6 months fresh out of school so pay is above the national average at least. As the complexity increases, the need for training and experience does as well. There's no real easy fix outside of a complete rework. To attract people the incentives would have to be better and I'm not sure how possible that is. They don't do that bullshit because they have to pay us more if they do and international regs say we need at least 6 hours off uninterrupted and 10 off in a 24 hour period. This leads to a degree of cleanliness that the navy wouldn't be happy with because people are lazy and don't care if they track oil everywhere. lightpole fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Dec 20, 2017 |
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One time me and the electrician were working in the elevator shaft and not thinking, tracked elevator grease though the elevator. The captain saw it later and lost his mind bc the pilot might see it so he called out the chief steward in the middle of the night, I felt bad I could've just wiped it up Edit yeah complexity minus training means a huge reliance on smart people giving up on other careers and just blundering into the industry shovelbum fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Dec 20, 2017 |
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# ? Dec 20, 2017 16:46 |
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No dtg yet so still in draftcode:
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# ? Dec 20, 2017 17:04 |
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Interesting.
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# ? Dec 20, 2017 17:43 |
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Fail forever until you want to reenlist then pass a prt. The navy mist be in oh my loving god oh poo poo mode as far as manning goes
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# ? Dec 20, 2017 18:10 |
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The navy is giving over $100k and a free graduate degree to go along with a 6 figure salary and cannot get SWOs to stick around past their first obligation. The fleet has been severely undermanned for over 15 years now and the consequences of it are up front and center.
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# ? Dec 20, 2017 18:16 |
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PneumonicBook posted:Fail forever until you want to reenlist then pass a prt. The navy mist be in oh my loving god oh poo poo mode as far as manning goes Or advance. So the trick is make chief, sign a long contract then fuuuuuck it.
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# ? Dec 20, 2017 18:17 |
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LingcodKilla posted:Or advance. So the trick is make chief, sign a long contract then fuuuuuck it. You don't need to worry about hyt assuming you get your good years as a first, but yea, you're not wrong. Edit: just looked at the newest hyt instruction and e6 is 22 so you can even gently caress up two years as a reservist.
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Mr. Nice! posted:The navy is giving over $100k and a free graduate degree to go along with a 6 figure salary and cannot get SWOs to stick around past their first obligation. Holy poo poo as a civilian this makes my blood boil, you can just be a shitbag and coast in the military if you have no respect or dignity right, I should've done that.
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# ? Dec 20, 2017 18:35 |
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We have an IS1 in our unit who just failed his third. He actually wants to get out because he makes retarded money in the private sector but this is gonna gently caress him silly. Oh well!
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# ? Dec 20, 2017 18:35 |
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LingcodKilla posted:Has this jumped from rumor to reality? Yes, talking points are being sent out to command leadership. AKA, It will suck to be fat with bad evals and FEP but we can't afford to train your replacement. edit: page 75/76
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# ? Dec 20, 2017 18:39 |
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shovelbum posted:Holy poo poo as a civilian this makes my blood boil, you can just be a shitbag and coast in the military if you have no respect or dignity right, I should've done that. I mean, being a department head isn't necessarily a walk in the park, but there are hundreds of thousands in perks for an extra 3-4 years of sea duty.
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# ? Dec 20, 2017 18:42 |
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shovelbum posted:Holy poo poo as a civilian this makes my blood boil, you can just be a shitbag and coast in the military if you have no respect or dignity right, I should've done that. You get your own stateroom, shower and shitter and someone to clean it and change your sheets right now. I think they still have to be responsible over there for awhile until you get high enough to where you can sell out to foreign contractors for cigars, whiskey and paid pussy. The current SWO path is hosed for women since if they want to have a baby and they don't get it timed just right they will gently caress up their promotion track. They also can't specialize or stay in a watch officer position for an extended period while we can spend our career sailing 3rd if we want. That's all in addition to similar problems as the merchant marine, extended time away from home, family etc.
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# ? Dec 20, 2017 19:33 |
Lol with the way the union is now, first is a lower seniority job than third
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# ? Dec 20, 2017 19:45 |
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If you're tired on an air capable small boy just sign up for the flight deck crew. You will be able to take an hour nap every three hours when the bird comes in for fuel. And get flight deck pay. For sleeping during flight quarters.
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# ? Dec 21, 2017 02:25 |
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shovelbum posted:Just talked to a guy I know who is on a destroyer about the work hours, he told he about getting like three one hour naps per night and nothing else for months, with a crew of hundreds. As a merchant mariner it is just all super alien to me, you can run a thousand foot ultradeepwater drillship 24/7 such that everyone gets 12 hours of rest a day with half the crew I mean I know a destroyer is more complicated than a box full of boxes like I'm used to these days but gently caress man those schedules can't be good for not getting run over That would require other people to work more than a 6 or 8 hour day and no one on those good schedules is having that...
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# ? Dec 21, 2017 03:05 |
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Our bridge watches routinely were five and dimes because "it wasnt fair to other watch-stations" if we went to four-section rotations.
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# ? Dec 21, 2017 04:47 |
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So if 75 ships get added to the fleet, are they gonna just go dime and five?
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# ? Dec 21, 2017 05:18 |
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:So if 75 ships get added to the fleet, are they gonna just go dime and five? By the time they manage to add 75 ships, the AIs will have already taken over.
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# ? Dec 21, 2017 06:03 |
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:So if 75 ships get added to the fleet, are they gonna just go dime and five? Seriously though we don't have the capacity or money to build much more than like 2 a year. Even with the money the capacity isn't there, the experienced labor takes years to train up. One of the reasons the Jones Act is such a big deal.
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# ? Dec 21, 2017 06:37 |
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We just need to build a bunch of small cheap ships really fast. They can be low quality since they'll be cheap and expendable and easily replaceable. Maybe they can specialize in littoral combat since that's a weakness of our blue navy fleet. As long as the procurement process works the way it's supposed to and people don't start tacking on tons of expensive features it should work great.
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# ? Dec 21, 2017 18:26 |
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Cerekk posted:We just need to build a bunch of small cheap ships really fast. They can be low quality since they'll be cheap and expendable and easily replaceable. Maybe they can specialize in littoral combat since that's a weakness of our blue navy fleet. As long as the procurement process works the way it's supposed to and people don't start tacking on tons of expensive features it should work great. Fortunately, the DoD always gets procurement right and congress never fucks with it so this will be an easy win.
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# ? Dec 21, 2017 18:29 |
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Lou Takki posted:Fortunately, the DoD always gets procurement right and congress never fucks with it so this will be an easy win. Contract not specific enough. Ship yards delivered 75 Boston whalers with a baseball bat (Wooden, dry rotted) attached to the front. 90 million per.
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# ? Dec 21, 2017 18:50 |
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Cerekk posted:We just need to build a bunch of small cheap ships really fast. They can be low quality since they'll be cheap and expendable and easily replaceable. Maybe they can specialize in littoral combat since that's a weakness of our blue navy fleet. As long as the procurement process works the way it's supposed to and people don't start tacking on tons of expensive features it should work great. Hah! One of my classmates is a port engineer for these in SD. After one bitch session I decided I wanted to remain ignorant. I didn't realize that they put civmars on them to bring them out of the yard over to the West Coast for their shakedown cruise.
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# ? Dec 21, 2017 19:25 |
Laranzu posted:Contract not specific enough. Ship yards delivered 75 Boston whalers with a baseball bat (Wooden, dry rotted) attached to the front. 90 million per. best deal the navys gotten in a long while, boston whalers are pretty nice boats for lake and river work (fishing)
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lightpole posted:Hah! One of my classmates is a port engineer for these in SD. After one bitch session I decided I wanted to remain ignorant. I didn't realize that they put civmars on them to bring them out of the yard over to the West Coast for their shakedown cruise. They don't for freedom. That's an Indy specific thing I guess.
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# ? Dec 21, 2017 19:28 |
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New PRT changes are out http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/messages/Documents/NAVADMINS/NAV2017/NAV17304.txt quote:UNCLASSIFIED
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# ? Dec 21, 2017 21:08 |
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LingcodKilla posted:Holy poo poo. The new policy is bananas. But hey, the CNO or whoever did say we were a "growing" Navy!
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# ? Dec 21, 2017 21:43 |
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Whelp guess I'm still in the navy whoooooo. To show how angry I am I will get increasingly larger with no repercussions that I care about and then draw a pension at 60 lmao. Note, due to heart failure I won't ever collect the pension. Go go survivor benefits!
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# ? Dec 21, 2017 22:09 |
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So first they go from 3 to 2 failures for ADSEP, now they go to unlimited? WTF?
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# ? Dec 21, 2017 22:23 |
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Stultus Maximus posted:So first they go from 3 to 2 failures for ADSEP, now they go to unlimited? WTF? We crashed some ships.
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# ? Dec 21, 2017 22:24 |
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The only reasonable explanation for this policy is it was enacted so all personnel being denied transfer separation for another service and program have to hang out with fat kids and further piss us off
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# ? Dec 21, 2017 23:22 |