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The series is really going to end with Kylo suiciding himself to save everyone then redeeming himself. Then wihen all the Porg are celebrating at the end Rey sees Force ghost Kylo looking up at Hayden Anakin and he just very awkwardly nods slowly and looks away.
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The furby things were the puffins that lived on the actual real life island edited in a way that was funnier than trying to digitally remove them or say "puffins live on this space island"
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Dec 27, 2017 21:52
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McCloud posted:I also didn't like Luke's death. I wanted him to go out with his laser sword and wreck poo poo. I wanted force lightning, crumpling up AT AT, picking Kylo up with the force and rag dolling the fucker, I wanted him to show he was a master! But is that really what a Jedi master would do? You're right in that what you wanted to see Luke do, a Jedi master probably wouldn't actually do. That's maybe something closer to what a dark side user would do, maybe. Adventure. Excitement. A Jedi craves not these things. YOU ARE RECKLESS.
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Dec 27, 2017 21:53
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:The furby things were the puffins that lived on the actual real life island edited in a way that was funnier than trying to digitally remove them or say "puffins live on this space island" I like the Porgs well enough, but yeeeesh it just reeks to me. Dagobah has no poo poo real lizards and whatnot, so what if Ach-To has animals that look like Earth puffins? The real reason is they can't sell a fuckin normal-rear end puffin
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Dec 27, 2017 21:54
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Basebf555 posted:It's dirtier, more clumsy, but in a way that I think makes it feel more genuine, like it's people really trying to hack each other up. I'd need to see it a second time to really make a final judgment though. I like the Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul fight best out of all the prequel trilogy sword fights because, even though it's clearly got that Errol Flynn "aim for the other guy's blade" thing going on, I think it's kinetic without being too busy. It's got stuff like Qui-Gon taking advantage of his size and strength, Darth Maul having Ray Park's martial arts skills and that kind of thing; one of my favourite little bits is when the laser barriers are about to come down after Maul's killed Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan starts bouncing on the balls of his fight and gets himself all keyed up to finish the fight off. Conversely, I think a lot of the duels in ROTS aren't as good, because there's so many close-ups it can be hard to tell what's going on. I remember thinking this was particularly a problem with the Mace Windu vs Palpatine duel. I didn't really like the General Grievous duel either because I thought it was too busy. The fights with Count Dooku are generally pretty good thanks to Christopher Lee's talent as a fencer. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Dec 27, 2017 |
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Kind of crazy the last two Star Wars branded movies in a row have not had proper light saber fights.Gatts posted:It also balances out the Force in a way since both Snoke and he are now gone, the Masters passed on and now we have just one Sith and one Jedi left but they don’t 100% adhere to convention Kid that grabs a broom took either Luke or Snoke's spot. If balance truly matters there should be an additional Sith to balance out Leia from before Snoke/Luke died. Basebf555 posted:I like the idea that the son of Anakin Skywalker turned out to be just a run of the mill Jedi, but his connection to Anakin saved him and the galaxy. The real power comes from nobodies like Rey and slave boy Anakin. Luke is far from run of the mill. Despite people not liking Luke dying from making a "hologram" of himself, it is still easily one of the greatest displays of force powers we've seen in the series. Based on the movies only exceptional Jedi disappear when they die.
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Dec 27, 2017 21:55
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Spacebump posted:Kind of crazy the last two Star Wars branded movies in a row have not had proper light saber fights. The next one probably won't even have any lightsabers in it at all.
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Dec 27, 2017 21:57
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i wouldnt mind the furby things if they were just there in the background not hamming it up in the millenium falcon n trying to make chewie feel guilty for eating in front of them
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Dec 27, 2017 21:58
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Wheat Loaf posted:The next one probably won't even have any lightsabers in it at all. Hopefully it’s just a bunch of Porgs being thrown about. Angry Birds but with Porgs. Take down a super weapon.
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Dec 27, 2017 21:58
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Waffles Inc. posted:I like the Porgs well enough, but yeeeesh it just reeks to me. Dagobah has no poo poo real lizards and whatnot, so what if Ach-To has animals that look like Earth puffins? The rock huts and the birds and the weird rock she lightsaber are all just real stuff. It seems they had about zero latitude in making any physical sets on that real island. Changing the birds to space birds was about all they changed about that place
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Dec 27, 2017 21:59
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Wheat Loaf posted:The next one probably won't even have any lightsabers in it at all. I could see them trying that except for the fact they sell way too many of those toys. Rey is left with only a broken one but she also stole the Jedi books. Somebody has to fight Kylo one more time. Maybe Rey makes herself a blue Maul style saber so she can kind of use her staff's fighting style.
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Dec 27, 2017 22:01
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Spacebump posted:I could see them trying that except for the fact they sell way too many of those toys. I mean the Han Solo movie - unless they shoehorn in another Darth Vader cameo (which they probably will) it most likely won't have any lightsabers.
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Dec 27, 2017 22:02
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Wheat Loaf posted:I like the Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul fight best out of all the prequel trilogy sword fights because, even though it's clearly got that Errol Flynn "aim for the other guy's blade" thing going on, I think it's kinetic without being too busy. It's got stuff like Qui-Gon taking advantage of his size and strength, Darth Maul having Ray Park's martial arts skills and that kind of thing; one of my favourite little bits is when the laser barriers are about to come down after Maul's killed Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan starts bouncing on the balls of his fight and gets himself all keyed up to finish the fight off. Neeson was surprisingly smooth with the choreography, I wonder if that's all his experience on Rob Roy or if he's done other sword fights I'm forgetting about. Qui-Gon has a real economy of movement to him that is a pretty cool contrast to Maul's more ridiculous looping style and Obi-Wans ferocity.
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Dec 27, 2017 22:02
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Wheat Loaf posted:I like the Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul fight best out of all the prequel trilogy sword fights because, even though it's clearly got that Errol Flynn "aim for the other guy's blade" thing going on, I think it's kinetic without being too busy. It's got stuff like Qui-Gon taking advantage of his size and strength and Darth Maul having Ray Park's martial arts skills and that kind of thing. You're kidding right? Back when TPM came out on DVD I went and watched the Duel of the Fates at x1.5 speed just so I could take in everything that was going on. It was busy as hell. Especially when both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are attacking Maul and then again once it's just Obi-Wan vs Maul 1 on 1. Now that I've seen it at that speed I'm able to actually keep up with what the gently caress is going on when I watch it normally. The Mace vs Sheev saber fight is of course the worst of them all because Ian McDiarmid didn't have much time to practice and also isn't much of a swordsman to begin with. Any fight with Grievous was just trash because he's fully CGI but the ones involving Darth Tyranus isn't even Christopher Lee. It was mostly his body double with Lees face digitally placed onto his body to create the illusion that it was him doing all that sword fighting. Why they didn't do that for Ian McDiarmid I can only assume was due to budget concerns or time constraints.
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Dec 27, 2017 22:02
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Waffles Inc. posted:I liked a lot of it but there's a choreography move where Kylo has his saber sticking straight down and the red guy slashes directly at it instead of anywhere near Kylo I love in TFA him punching his wound and trying to hulk up or whatever.
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Dec 27, 2017 22:04
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Tender Bender posted:I love in TFA him punching his wound and trying to hulk up or whatever. That was apparently an actor choice and goddamn it is some of the best non-verbal characterization in the entire series; it's savage and frightening and just awesome
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Dec 27, 2017 22:06
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AndyElusive posted:Any fight with Grievous was just trash because he's fully CGI but the ones involving Darth Tyranus isn't even Christopher Lee. It was mostly his body double with Lees face digitally placed onto his body to create the illusion that it was him doing all that sword fighting. Oh, I see. I remember Lee saying at the time that he'd told George Lucas, "I can do the sword fighting, but I can't run," so I assumed he was doing most of it himself except in long shots or whatever they're called.  Waffles Inc. posted:That was apparently an actor choice and goddamn it is some of the best non-verbal characterization in the entire series; it's savage and frightening and just awesome Took it from his experience in the marines, I think.
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Dec 27, 2017 22:09
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this movie was alright but god drat modern movies need to learn how to conclude why did we need to go to salt planet or whatever. what a needless additional final battle
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Dec 27, 2017 22:10
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Wheat Loaf posted:I mean the Han Solo movie - unless they shoehorn in another Darth Vader cameo (which they probably will) it most likely won't have any lightsabers. Didn't realize that's what you were talking about but you're right. I can't imagine Vader is in the film (if he is, hopefully Han doesn't interact with him or continuity is ruined.) Real question is how do they work C3P0 and R2 into it? Did they start making this with the intention of possibly having a Solo spinoff series or are they going to end it with them going to the cantina. If they end it that way it wouldn't be as hard to work them in.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Oh, I see. I remember Lee saying at the time that he'd told George Lucas, "I can do the sword fighting, but I can't run," so I assumed he was doing most of it himself except in long shots or whatever they're called. Ah, ya you know he might have actually done some of that and Lucas probably shot and used as much as he could for close ups. Definitely the more agile and elaborate stuff you see him do (like versus Yoda or when he's fighting both Obi and Anakin) were most def his body double.
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No need to work in Vader when you have Jabba and Boba Fett.
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also pink hair lady should have been a spy who was feeding the new order info and that was how they were tracking them because her back and forth with poe just made me feel like both of them were idiots and I didn't like what either of them were doing. tell your soldiers your plan you loving weirdo. plus fin and rose's weird little excursion meant nothing other than setting up another meaningless tertiary character, and ended with bringing back the old meaningless tertiary character of captain phasma just to give fin something to do. The good parts of the movie revolved around luke, ren and rey. the scene in which snope died was really clever and deserved to be in a better movie. But in this movie's defense, things people suggest like this- Blazing Ownager posted:You do not kill a character like Luke loving Skywalker from exertion. And if you DO go that route you make sure it's something way the gently caress more epic than a long distance Total Recall trick, like sucking their entire fleet into a Goddamn gravity well or something, or go full on over the top and have him crash a Star Destroyer or something. LazyMaybe fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Dec 27, 2017 |
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Dec 27, 2017 22:18
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I remember hearing really early leaks about the plot suggesting that there was going to be a traitor within the Resistance - possibly Rose, or whoever Kelly Marie Tran was playing at that stage of development - who would sell Finn out to Phasma at some stage. If that's true, perhaps that became Benicio Del Toro's character (of course, I recall other very early leaks seeming to suggest that Del Toro was going to be another dark Jedi who Snoke assigned to Kylo Ren to keep an eye on him). There was also something about how Snoke was going to kill Hux right at the very start for losing Starkiller Base, and that sat in the back of my mind for so long that I became certain it was true and was really confused when Domhnall Gleason was showing up in so much of the pre-release publicity.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Oh, I see. I remember Lee saying at the time that he'd told George Lucas, "I can do the sword fighting, but I can't run," so I assumed he was doing most of it himself except in long shots or whatever they're called. I like to think that Lee did even a fight of the fighting scenes considering his real life experience of stabbing nazis with edged weapons
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Wheat Loaf posted:I remember hearing really early leaks about the plot suggesting that there was going to be a traitor within the Resistance - possibly Rose, or whoever Kelly Marie Tran was playing at that stage of development - who would sell Finn out to Phasma at some stage. If that's true, perhaps that became Benicio Del Toro's character (of course, I recall other very early leaks seeming to suggest that Del Toro was going to be another dark Jedi who Snoke assigned to Kylo Ren to keep an eye on him). That's why you never believe leaks. It's usually bullshit made up by some idiots online.
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It absolutely feels like there were drafts of the script that had a traitor on board the rebel ship
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Waffles Inc. posted:It absolutely feels like there were drafts of the script that had a traitor on board the rebel ship See, from what I remember, the leak indicated that the Canto Bight stuff was still going to be in the movie, but Phasma was going to be there with her stormtroopers and that's where she'd have had her big confrontation with Finn. Whether there was ever any currency to that I haven't the foggiest. Spacebump posted:Didn't realize that's what you were talking about but you're right. I can't imagine Vader is in the film (if he is, hopefully Han doesn't interact with him or continuity is ruined.) Real question is how do they work C3P0 and R2 into it? Did they start making this with the intention of possibly having a Solo spinoff series or are they going to end it with them going to the cantina. If they end it that way it wouldn't be as hard to work them in. I think it's funny in a strange kind of way how there was live action lightsaber footage between 1983 and 1999 in the cheesy-rear end cutscenes for Dark Forces II. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Dec 27, 2017 |
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Dec 27, 2017 22:29
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oh also the other really good scene in this film was the fight with the guards in snoke's throne room. turning on the lightsaber for just a second to blow a hole in that guy's head was sick. who pays those dudes, they're loyal as hell to a dead man
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Wheat Loaf posted:See, from what I remember, the leak indicated that the Canto Bight stuff was still going to be in the movie, but Phasma was going to be there with her stormtroopers and that's where she'd have had her big confrontation with Finn. Yeah I remember having that kind of sense too. I can't help but think that it was me sort of mentally piecing together what might "make sense", since we knew Finn and Rose were gonna be on the casino planet that it would "make sense" for Finn's enemy to be there too
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Kyle Lauren has a tiny skinny nerd head on a weird beef slab body. It's is so geometric it's weird. It looks like his body slid out of a tin of SPAM. Also, any fight where Lightsabers fight weapons capable of blocking them is a Lightsaber fight. Cortosis weave or vibroblades or plasma dildos or whatever.
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Basebf555 posted:It's dirtier, more clumsy, but in a way that I think makes it feel more genuine, like it's people really trying to hack each other up. I'd need to see it a second time to really make a final judgment though. You'd have to be blind to come to this conclusion. "Grittier and more realistic" it is not.
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Arglebargle III posted:You'd have to be blind to come to this conclusion. "Grittier and more realistic" it is not. It certainly doesn't have the sort of dance-y flow that the prequels and kung fu films have, nor does it have the "these are actual swords" of the OT. And it's definitely not "realistic", because wouldn't "realistic" lightsaber fighting be a matter of "who can barely poke the other person first"? It would be like competition fencing
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Waffles Inc. posted:It absolutely feels like there were drafts of the script that had a traitor on board the rebel ship https://youtu.be/yMeKQes3ALM In this interview Laura Dern says that when Rian spoke to her about the characterization of Holdo it was always "mysterious" or "vague" in whether she was good or bad, but overall she is just tough woman in charge. That's probably where all of the information about a traitor stems from, in addition to someone misreading Poe's mutiny without a full script or something Not every Admiral has to be like Leia, we can have sweet and sour characters on the good side
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Waffles Inc. posted:It certainly doesn't have the sort of dance-y flow that the prequels and kung fu films have, nor does it have the "these are actual swords" of the OT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S75THbl4tzM
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ImpAtom posted:I love what a drastic misreading it is of literally every Star Wars film to think that Luke Skywalker's eventual ending should involve him killing a bunch of people with Force Magic Missile or something. I mean, you're right, I just thought it would have been a cool visual for him to go all Bring Down The Sky at the end.
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the Solo film will definitely have a scene where Han scoffs at how a laser sword isn't a real weapon
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precision posted:I mean, you're right, I just thought it would have been a cool visual for him to go all Bring Down The Sky at the end. A jedi uses the force for knowledge and defence, never for attack.
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7c Nickel posted:Also, any fight where Lightsabers fight weapons capable of blocking them is a Lightsaber fight. Cortosis weave or vibroblades or plasma dildos or whatever. but, that's probably because I like wuxia flicks and the like LazyMaybe fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Dec 27, 2017 |
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Dec 27, 2017 23:00
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precision posted:the Solo film will definitely have a scene where Han scoffs at how a laser sword isn't a real weapon I typically hate RLM but they have a video where two of the guys do a "things that will be in the Solo movie" and it's a pretty good video largely because of how painfully accurate I feel like it is
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Looking at the money again, I reckon this movie has over/under $100 million left in the tank as far as what it can earn goes, and it's got me thinking, isn't it unfair to compare this with Force Awakens on those terms? I mean, that movie broke just about every possible box office record with the exception of not being the all-time number one, so it probably isn't realistic to expect this one to break all those records all over again; this could be the best movie ever made and it probably wouldn't be able to do that.
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