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Windows 98 posted:I’m now on the episode with the transporter malfunction that’s turns Ro into a ghost. Picard walks through her, and she swipes her hand through a computer. Yet for some reason she can stand on the floor of the ship? A wizard did it.
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Windows 98 posted:I’m now on the episode with the transporter malfunction that’s turns Ro into a ghost. Picard walks through her, and she swipes her hand through a computer. Yet for some reason she can stand on the floor of the ship? Otherwise it would be a very short episode
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Dec 31, 2017 08:12
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FlamingLiberal posted:-Idiot launched a Kickstarter for a Trek fan film - Lying to Tony Todd; telling him he was working on an official Trek thing. And then of course he got mad and quit after learning it's not. But they still promoted the project with him part of it. - It seemed like at one point Peters was hoping CBS/Paramount would settle by "purchasing" Axanar and official-izing it; and give effective creative control of Star Trek to him. The gently caress? - Yet still managed to convince a bunch of toxic Trek fans that CBS was the bad guy here. (If you look at the official Trek and Discovery facebook pages, there's typically plenty of dumb pro-Axanar comments.) I haven't followed it too closely, but this is supposed to have a lot of critical reporting of it.
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Dec 31, 2017 08:23
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The Bloop posted:The gravity plating in the deck has an unintended but fortunate side effect of extending directionality and impermeability into some subspace domains. Furthermore, Yeah, standing on the decks is due to gravity plating. The air is magic, though.
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Dec 31, 2017 08:57
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Echo Chamber posted:- Lying to Tony Todd; telling him he was working on an official Trek thing. And then of course he got mad and quit after learning it's not. But they still promoted the project with him part of it. Also something about not paying the man. And using his name in promotions after he explicitly quit the production. Which is a goddamn shame because Admiral Ramirez and his speech about the dream of the Federation are peak Trek. Tony Todd 
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Dec 31, 2017 09:08
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Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:One problem with Ferengi as capitalists is that they're mostly depicted as traders and merchants. With the exception of the great ds9 episode about unions, buying the labor of others is seldom depicted as a major component of Ferengi economic activity. They are petit bourgeois rather than bourgeois, again rhyming with stereotypes of Jews
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Dec 31, 2017 12:03
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Yeah, Ferengi culture isn't quite the free-for-all our modern capitalism is. They have actual rules which are actually enforced! (Nobody would buy a book called "the Suggestions of Acquisition.") E: consider, as well, they predicted the rise of microtransactions.
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Dec 31, 2017 12:30
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Ferengi aren't twentieth century capitalists, they're what politically tone deaf DS9 writers think twentieth century capitalism is, which results in a jew goblin meant, comically, to somehow indict capitalism.
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Windows 98 posted:I’m now on the episode with the transporter malfunction that’s turns Ro into a ghost. Picard walks through her, and she swipes her hand through a computer. Yet for some reason she can stand on the floor of the ship? I shouldn't tell you this, it might put me in danger, but...Ghosts are real and they are the reason we are all alive right now. Scientists don't want to tell people that but it's true. It is also true that anyone who ever told you they saw a ghost was either a liar or was mistaken. Gravity affects ghosts, and they also go though all matter, but they do burn, they are combustible. People die. A ghost is created. It immediately falls through the earth into the ghost furnace at the center. This keeps the fires stoked and allows people to live on the planet. Who built the ghost furnace? You wouldn't believe me if I told you.
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Dec 31, 2017 14:27
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Echo Chamber posted:Going by memory of the Trek thread, there's also Also he was using the funds and ST IP to basically start his own film studio, a for profit entity.
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Dec 31, 2017 14:47
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dont even fink about it posted:Ferengi aren't twentieth century capitalists, they're what politically tone deaf DS9 writers think twentieth century capitalism is, which results in a jew goblin meant, comically, to somehow indict capitalism. Get a new gimmick, for god's sake
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Dec 31, 2017 15:40
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Yeah, Ferengi culture isn't quite the free-for-all our modern capitalism is. They have actual rules which are actually enforced! You're overlooking something. Humans used to be a lot worse than Ferengi: slavery, concentration camps, interstellar war.
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Dec 31, 2017 15:43
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Mike the TV posted:You're overlooking something. Humans used to be a lot worse than Ferengi: slavery, concentration camps, interstellar war. Yea sure there's that great Quark line, but we never find out how the Ferengi handle their poor/downtrodden and that always interested me. Do you just starve and die if you're a poor Ferengi? I can't imagine there being welfare programs, at least not in the pre-Grand Nagus Rom era. Also their treatment of women is basically slavery, so I'm not sure you can trust Quark on how the Ferengi never did the worst stuff.
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Dec 31, 2017 15:54
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WampaLord posted:Yea sure there's that great Quark line, but we never find out how the Ferengi handle their poor/downtrodden and that always interested me. Do you just starve and die if you're a poor Ferengi? I can't imagine there being welfare programs, at least not in the pre-Grand Nagus Rom era. All dissenters get thrown from a tower. It'd be like the US today if we shot anyone who tried to default on their loans- the real world (US) equivalent is people working an underpaying job to keep medical insurance, while forced to watch company videos about the evils of unions.
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Dec 31, 2017 16:01
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Echo Chamber posted:Going by memory of the Trek thread, there's also The Axanar scammers can choke but it makes me wonder how far they're willing to take this scam. Seems pretty obvious they'll steal the money and not produce much. Paramount needs to clean this shitheel out. gently caress him.
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Dec 31, 2017 16:20
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Echo Chamber posted:Going by memory of the Trek thread, there's also AxaMonitor is a good source of info in this area, but they miss out that Axanar's new benefactor is no saint either. The company that bailed out Alec Peters, OWC / Macsales run by Larry O'Connor, also has a spotty history; OWC started as a small business that sold used Apple II / Mac computer parts, and once was hailed as one of the few third party companies supporting Apple / Mac products. Early on, their products were sometimes of questionable quality; when Apple changed the format of their internal video slot on the PowerMac, they learned from hardware hackers that it was possible to use certain older video cards on the PowerMac G4 on the newer model G5 by hacksawing off an extra connector. They then proceeded to sell off their built-up supply of cards with the extra connector sliced off and touted it as the cheapest, best new video option for G5s, similar to how Alec Peters has been trying to sell Axanar as a bold new direction for Star Trek. They also built up a reputation for screwing over vendors at Mac shows (back when they still held them) by keeping products that were loaned out to them as demos. (This happened to many vendors who needed exposure but were often working on threadbare finances, Larry would simply disappear well before the end of the show with said demos) These items were often put up for sale in their clearance area on their website long after the shows ended. Sometimes they would produce products that would be mysteriously pulled for no reason and never mentioned again, usually due to technical/legal issues, such as their own branded Serial ATA card. They also used to partner with other companies like Newer Technologies to sell their products, but often those other companies would quietly end their relationship with them, doubtless because they discovered Larry either shorting them on sales or touting other products behind their back. Recently it was discovered that many of their SSD models didn't support Apple's new OS, High Sierra, and when users tried to update their OWC hardware, they were left with unbootable SSDs and data loss. Their answer to this was to quietly post in their blog saying there was a problem, blamed Apple, had hardware updates coming, but when they finally appeared they kept moving the links to make it difficult to download them. tl;dr: Alec Peters found his tech business soul brother in Larry O'Connor, who is a Ferengi at heart Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Dec 31, 2017 |
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Dec 31, 2017 16:49
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WampaLord posted:Yea sure there's that great Quark line, but we never find out how the Ferengi handle their poor/downtrodden and that always interested me. Do you just starve and die if you're a poor Ferengi? I can't imagine there being welfare programs, at least not in the pre-Grand Nagus Rom era.
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Dec 31, 2017 17:46
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I bet a lot of Ferengi are like Rom in that sense. He's not good at business and his long-suffering brother gives him a lovely job for a pittance. I suspect there's a lot of that in Ferenginar, where you really can walk into a business and say "I'll mop your floors for two slips a day" and get a job. (Two slips gets you a closet under the stairs at your job and a meal. But hey, it's a living.)
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Dec 31, 2017 18:40
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Outside of cultural and societal pressure, I don’t understand why Ferengi citizens wouldn’t just gently caress off Ferenginar and move to Earth, where they can literally replicate anything they want (except latinum) for free and live in what is essentially paradise.
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Dec 31, 2017 21:14
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yeah that gets overlooked....they do talk about how shameful it is to be bad at business in their society, but we don't get into how poverty works in the Ferengi Alliance. Not to mention their idea of hell is called the Vault of Eternal Destitution, so there clearly is a concept of poverty and it being a terrible fate for Ferengi to suffer.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Outside of cultural and societal pressure, I don’t understand why Ferengi citizens wouldn’t just gently caress off Ferenginar and move to Earth, where they can literally replicate anything they want (except latinum) for free and live in what is essentially paradise.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Outside of cultural and societal pressure, I don’t understand why Ferengi citizens wouldn’t just gently caress off Ferenginar and move to Earth, where they can literally replicate anything they want (except latinum) for free and live in what is essentially paradise. Because while there's no risk of becoming poor, there's no chance at becoming wealthy either
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Outside of cultural and societal pressure, I don’t understand why Ferengi citizens wouldn’t just gently caress off Ferenginar and move to Earth, where they can literally replicate anything they want (except latinum) for free and live in what is essentially paradise. It's too easy. No risk, no reward.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Outside of cultural and societal pressure, I don’t understand why Ferengi citizens wouldn’t just gently caress off Ferenginar and move to Earth, where they can literally replicate anything they want (except latinum) for free and live in what is essentially paradise. Yeah, if you removed all their cultural baggage, maybe. But really, Joe Ferengi is raised to value economic achievement. The Ferengi sense of worth comes from making money and their whole culture is built to reinforce that. Ishka gets a very generous stipend, but still pursues profit. Because it's fun to prove you're cleverer than the rest, that you can make the most latinum. Even Nog doesn't really understand the Federation mindset. It's just too alien to him.
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Dec 31, 2017 21:33
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As Rom says in the beginning of the Union episode, 'Ferengi don't want to stop the exploitation, they want to become the exploiters.' Otherwise for the same reason people vote Republican: they are all temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
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Dec 31, 2017 21:34
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Re: Ferengi females; I think I read somewhere that the Ferengi treat pregnancy as a landlord/tenant deal, with the fetus being the leasee.
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Dec 31, 2017 22:34
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Trickjaw posted:Get a new gimmick, for god's sake It's OK, if you ignore ferengi and focus on the main plot, you still get a totally noncommittal "both sides are bad" plotline about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which today could not have aged more poorly.
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https://twitter.com/GroovyBruce/status/947599931719630848
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:... Nog is a great illustration of the difference between Ferengi and Federation mindsets. In the episode where he trades favors across the sector to get some part for the Defiant three weeks earlier than the normal starfleet system O'Brian seems half baffled by the idea and amazed Nog pulled it off.
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Jan 1, 2018 00:31
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Cameo on Discovery? I’m down.
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Jan 1, 2018 00:33
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The lead in Tarantino Trek. 
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Or if the movies do Doomsday Machine, he could do a great Matt Decker.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:The lead in Tarantino Trek. My life for this.
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Jan 1, 2018 01:25
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"C-C-Captain, could you put down that buzzsaw? I don't think this is ideal first contact behavior.."
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Jan 1, 2018 01:53
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Bruce Campbell on Star Trek? ...or Bruce Campbell on The Orville? 
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Jan 1, 2018 02:22
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Ash in Who Watches the Watchers "Alright, you primitive screwheads..."
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Yeah, if you removed all their cultural baggage, maybe. But really, Joe Ferengi is raised to value economic achievement. The Ferengi sense of worth comes from making money and their whole culture is built to reinforce that. Ishka gets a very generous stipend, but still pursues profit. Because it's fun to prove you're cleverer than the rest, that you can make the most latinum.
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Jan 1, 2018 06:39
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That Bruce Campbell fan wankery makes me wish Star Trek would stop looking to its own past for new material. Set the next Trek 500 years into the future of all previous Trek or something. Discovery should have been this but reasons? Same reason I think they should have jumped right to episode 25 or something for the post-Disney buying Star Wars but oh hey, can't have that. Risks are not as profitable as doing the bare minimum of nostalgia milking.
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Jan 1, 2018 09:19
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jeeves posted:That Bruce Campbell fan wankery makes me wish Star Trek would stop looking to its own past for new material.
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I feel like you can't jump ahead substantially in Star Wars because the setting isn't very coherent or compelling. You jump ahead 500 years and the setting might as well be anything. The Federation and its adjacent galactopolitical powers are sharply defined enough that you can imagine them both radically changed and yet recognizable in the far future.
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