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Sir Lemming posted:A bunch of people in this thread called / wished for this: Seth MacFarlane says season 2 of The Orville will probably be more straightforward sci-fi and not try so hard for comedy all the time. So yeah, he pretty much Trojan Horsed a new Star Trek show onto Fox. This would be great. Orville was okay, but most of the jokes/humor was always flat to me. If they decided to just let it be normal and let the humor come naturally, then it sounds like the show could be a lot more bearable to watch.
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Call me basic, but I like a lot of the jokes people here consider lame. Though I think it's hard to deny that Bortus and Isaac are the most fun.
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Grand Fromage posted:Who's that again? I forgot. Kahless was Klingon Jesus. Worf finds that clone of him in the Sword of Kahless episode and they make him Klingon Pope.
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XBenedict posted:This Disco episode was my favorite mirror universe episode. Fight me. Same same a thousand times same. The fact that they get to keep tooling around the mirrorverse pretending to be honest to God Yo Ho Ho pirates for at least another episode fills me with glee. They mentioned that Discovery traded places with its counterpart so I also hope we get to see mirror Disco trying to fit into the prime universe.
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My favorite joke in all of Star Trek is Kirk grimly wondering what their evil counterparts are up to on the regular Enterprise - then cut to Spock throwing them all in the brig because they exposed themselves almost immediately.
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WampaLord posted:Kahless was Klingon Jesus. Worf finds that clone of him in the Sword of Kahless episode and they make him Klingon Pope. Kahless the Unforgettable is a fictional character in the Star Trek universe. He is portrayed in Star Trek: The Original Series by Robert Herron and in Star Trek: The Next Generation by Kevin Conway.
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Kahless is the one with white hair and dragons.
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Angry Salami posted:My favorite joke in all of Star Trek is Kirk grimly wondering what their evil counterparts are up to on the regular Enterprise - then cut to Spock throwing them all in the brig because they exposed themselves almost immediately. Agreed, it's such a "Pfft, don't worry about them, audience" moment.
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Epicurius posted:Martok is awesome. His wife is awesome. His kid's a jerk. His kid was only in one episode and never mentioned again, fortunately.
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CubanMissile posted:Seriously watch DS9. DS9 is next after tng is done. Then voyager, then enterprise, the tos.
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Grand Fromage posted:Only competition is the Klingon chef. You dare to forget Kang, Koloth, and the Dahar Master, Kor? (DS9 versions)
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3 DONG HORSE posted:The Cardassians should've nuked Bajor Pretty sure they did. Cleaning up radiation damage to the land is mentioned in a couple of episodes. As well as damage from chemical and biological weapons.
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Kibayasu posted:You dare to forget Kang, Koloth, and the Dahar Master, Kor? (DS9 versions) Same Klingons. Same actors. Same "versions" no augment virus
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The spoonies totally built a bunch of purposely faulty nuclear reactors. Come on down to Crazy Legat Merat's CBRN Emporium! We've got half off all containment devices for all Bajoran customers! (Literally half off, none of them close.) We pass the savings on to you, the kind and obedient people of Bajor. Blade_of_tyshalle fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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Cythereal posted:Pretty sure they did. Cleaning up radiation damage to the land is mentioned in a couple of episodes. As well as damage from chemical and biological weapons. The Bajor still have a habitable planet so obviously I am not referring to that. This rewatch is reminding me how annoying they all are.
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Cythereal posted:His kid was only in one episode and never mentioned again, fortunately. We can all be thankful. ^^^^^^^^ I don't get the Bajoran hatred. The Bajorans are a mess, but they're a mess because they've just endured a century of occupation, anything they had resembling civil society is now gone, large sections of their society were enslaved or forced to live in refugee camps, almost all their leaders are former resistance/terrorist leaders who have been doing that their whole lives and believe that power comes from the barrel of a gun, and the only thing keeping them together is a religion that itself is pretty heavily factionalized and that faces accusations of its complicity in the occupation. None of this lends itself to a stable society. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Jan 9, 2018 |
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Angry Salami posted:My favorite joke in all of Star Trek is Kirk grimly wondering what their evil counterparts are up to on the regular Enterprise - then cut to Spock throwing them all in the brig because they exposed themselves almost immediately. I loving love Shatner just gnawing on the scenery as Evil Kirk, too. "All right, Spock, whatever your game is, I'll play. Credits? You'll be a rich man! A command of your own? I can swing that too." It also sets up for Spock burning Kirk and McCoy at the end, too. "The very flower of humanity."
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Are we still talking about the Borg? All the little things about Voyager Borg are just coming back to bother me now that I've watched it. How does Seven meet a woman who was assimilated at Wolf 359? That ship was destroyed with all hands, no survivors. Where did she come from? Does she travel between the dimensions like the Queen?
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Epicurius posted:We can all be thankful. Sure. Realizing why people act a certain way is important. But in the case of the Bajorans the occupation is presented in such a mustache-twirling way (which, to be fair, can be entirely realistic) that it sort of backfires and you don't sympathize as much after the tenth episode it is discussed. It also doesn't help much knowing why people are acting like stupid assholes over and over when they keep being stupid assholes. The Bajorans don't really grow up or change for the positive to any greater degree other than Kira and one-shot folks. Heck even the Ferengi by comparison have a set of character moments where they grow more likeable and mature, and through a visionary leader help start on a path towards positive change.
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Considering the Bajorans were instantly on board with a theocratic dictatorship that reenslaved the population but this time to a mandatory system of caste-based occupations and social hierarchy, and then they were willing to worship the Pah Wraiths on a whim, it's probably lucky for everyone that Dukat didn't become Pah Wraith Jesus during the occupation or he'd be the most popular Pope-Emperor of Bajor ever.
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RC Cola posted:Are Cardassians basically nazis? They're way more interesting than that. If Kafka and Orwell teamed up to write a scifi empire it would probably be cardassia. They're a military dictatorship but they aren't fascists or nazi's.
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VitalSigns posted:Considering the Bajorans were instantly on board with a theocratic dictatorship that reenslaved the population but this time to a mandatory system of caste-based occupations and social hierarchy, and then they were willing to worship the Pah Wraiths on a whim, it's probably lucky for everyone that Dukat didn't become Pah Wraith Jesus during the occupation or he'd be the most popular Pope-Emperor of Bajor ever. This was, by the way, an intentional choice by the writers as a racial trait for the Bajorans, not something that's being read into the show. The writers explicitly stated they wanted to show that the Bajorans had a nonhuman psychology.
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evilmiera posted:Sure. Realizing why people act a certain way is important. But in the case of the Bajorans the occupation is presented in such a mustache-twirling way (which, to be fair, can be entirely realistic) that it sort of backfires and you don't sympathize as much after the tenth episode it is discussed. It also doesn't help much knowing why people are acting like stupid assholes over and over when they keep being stupid assholes. It's this, honestly. I like what they are trying to do but it becomes so much of the same irredeemable bad-guy Bajoran stuff over and over. I definitely like DS9 a lot more on my rewatch than the first time, and I think this stuff is only irksome because I know where it's going this time. In any case, this is 100% the Federation's fault for playing space UN without an actual end-game (metaphors  ).Al Borland Corp. posted:There Bajoran people are us. They're earthlings Nuke Earth too. Not the Federation one, I mean ours. RC Cola posted:Are Cardassians basically nazis? I would liken them more to British Empire than Nazis. Do horrible things for the good of the Queen, ol' chap. Or maybe the Ruskis? They're definitely not pure evil though, they just have a 'me first' philosophy that's even more brutal than the Ferengi's. 3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Jan 9, 2018 |
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3 DONG HORSE posted:I would liken them more to British Empire than Nazis. Do horrible things for the good of the Queen, ol' chap. Or maybe the Ruskis? They're definitely not pure evil though, they just have a 'me first' philosophy that's even more brutal than the Ferengi's. Plus, Dukat's all about the Grey Man's Burden. These poor benighted savages need to be exposed to our enlighted civilization, what what? We'll free them from their old superstitions, and bring them modern technology! What, they don't appreciate our selfless aid? Shame he went native towards the end, but otherwise a wonderful example of Cardassia's generosity towards the lesser races.
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Space Belgium, with a hint of Fascist Italy.
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Angry Salami posted:Plus, Dukat's all about the Grey Man's Burden. These poor benighted savages need to be exposed to our enlighted civilization, what what? We'll free them from their old superstitions, and bring them modern technology! What, they don't appreciate our selfless aid? Really if you think about it Jake Sully is just a Dukat ripoff
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There's definite elements of Nazism and fascism in the Cardassian ethos, but their racism seems to be more of a white man's burden type than a Nazi type. They saw themselves as benevolent superiors helping the helpless Bajorans. To the Cardassians - or at least their rationalizations - they were helping the Bajorans because they were a superior people. They weren't (at least not intentionally) trying to exterminate the Bajorans the way the Nazis felt they had to exterminate the Jews and other untermenschen. The Cardassians are fantastic and fascinating characters and Dukat is, hands-down, the best villain Trek ever had. It's a goddamn shame he got so badly handled towards the end, but given how readily Americans are to go for fascist strongmen (look at recent history. Trump, unlike Alaimo/Dukat, isn't even charismatic! Also consider, more relevant to the time period, that folks didn't even catch Starship Troopers as satire!) I can kind of see why the writers felt the need to bash the audience over the head with 'dukat is ashole. Y siskoh hat?'
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It would have been far more interesting if Dukat just wound up getting jobbed by one of his own pathetic schemes, dying anonymously in disgrace. Not how they went with him. Just an arrogant bastard who rises to supreme power and ultimately pushes himself out into obscurity, never to matter again.
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I'm rewatching Enterprise now after finally having seen (most of) Voyager for the first time and it really drives home how stale the writing is. Not just the " Mayweather has the exact same "whoa I have the bridge for the first time, dare I sit in the Captain's chair, no I dare not, yes I dare!" scenes as Kim.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Dukat is, hands-down, the best villain Trek ever had. Hear, hear. That dude's cognitive dissonance/denial, along with his need to be loved and respected, made him fascinating.
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corn in the bible posted:At least the dog is cute? A dog that can't eat cheese is living a miserable existence.
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3 DONG HORSE posted:Nuke Earth too. Not the Federation one, I mean ours. "You irradiated your own planet!?"
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