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tsob posted:Torrington must have some civilian casualties then, as well as a military base, because doesn't the climax of Banagher and Riddhe's efforts against the Shamblo take place in a car park in front of some office buildings? I know the staff have said the city was emptier than usual because of a holiday, but there can't be no civilians in a city. Yes , most military bases have a nearby city with strip clubs, used car lots, and payday loan places.
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In the OVA Loni's stated motive is that the federation killed her parents without giving them a chance to surrender and "fuckers killed my parents" is usually a pretty understandable motive for revenge, but like most quests for vengeance (and especially anything to do with Zeon) she commits the same crime thousands of times over and more besides. Her argument for not giving a poo poo about the box is that it won't bring her parents back no matter what is inside it and that applies just as much to her murdering loads of innocent people. Also she was getting brain whammied by the evil brain machine and had a DBZ aura explosion fight with Banagher. In the novel apparently her dad tells her and her brothers to get in the robot and kill people, she's only in charge of the deflector bits and eventually says enough is enough and she won't do it anymore and he shoots her and she dies giving Banagher the Shamblo's weakspot via Newtype telepathy
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That sounds rather dumb. I'll stick with the OVA and the ubderstandable, if not justifiable, motivations. I like the idea that she's been victimized by a war she was barely born into being manifested in the psychoframe overpowering her and making her a killer regardless of her choice. Caught up in the machine of war, whether it is old or new.
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Jan 12, 2018 21:24
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Jesus Christ the ending of Unicorn is nonsense, even ignoring Full Frontals Magic Mystery Tour. Edit: what’s next, chronologically? Is it Twilight Axis and Hathaway’s Flash?
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Jan 15, 2018 20:55
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ManSedan posted:Jesus Christ the ending of Unicorn is nonsense, even ignoring Full Frontals Magic Mystery Tour. Hathaway's Flash is non-canon, and Twilight Axis is, uh, terrible in a baffling way? They're both skippable.
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Twilight Axis is a sequel to Unicorn and the anime version at least is complete and total nonsense. Hathway's Flash technically occurs after Twilight Axis but is based on the Beltorchika's Children version of CCA. I don't think BC the novel has been translated, but there's a manga adaptation of BC that has five volumes translated. Hathaway's Flash has like half a volume translated itself.
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tsob posted:Torrington must have some civilian casualties then, as well as a military base, because doesn't the climax of Banagher and Riddhe's efforts against the Shamblo take place in a car park in front of some office buildings? I know the staff have said the city was emptier than usual because of a holiday, but there can't be no civilians in a city. She blows up Dakar early in the ep, but yes, the Torrington attack goes awry for the Zeon remnants because instead of finishing up crushing the military base Loni goes nuts and marches the Shamblo into the adjoining city(because basically every large military base is going to have a relatively close civilian population to provide goods and services to the troops and their families) to start murdering shitloads of people for revenge, giving the Torrington garrison time to rally and annihilate the attackers. ManSedan posted:Jesus Christ the ending of Unicorn is nonsense, even ignoring Full Frontals Magic Mystery Tour. F91 is the next semi-coherent thing in the chronology, followed by Crossbone and then Victory. As stated by other posters Hathaway's Flash is based on Beltorchika's Children, so it doesn't really fit with the animated CCA at all because it assumes things went somewhat differently.
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So as it’s easier to ask the experts than dig through half-finished wiki pages and stuff, what’re the differences in BC from the original CCA? I know there’s the Hi-Nu and Nightengale but that’s it.
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ManSedan posted:So as it’s easier to ask the experts than dig through half-finished wiki pages and stuff, what’re the differences in BC from the original CCA? I know there’s the Hi-Nu and Nightengale but that’s it. Well, Beltorchika’s in it. And I’m pretty sure her unborn Newtype baby protects her with a telekinetic shield at one point.
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ManSedan posted:So as it’s easier to ask the experts than dig through half-finished wiki pages and stuff, what’re the differences in BC from the original CCA? I know there’s the Hi-Nu and Nightengale but that’s it. There are a lot of significant differences. The most blatant being the titular Beltorchika being a big part of the book and her and Amuro's unborn son being a plot point. Chen doesn't exist and Hathaway is the one who kills Quess (which is why Hathaway's Flash coming right from CCA isn't possible because Hathaway's guilt and problems with killing Quess are a major part of his character there.)
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ManSedan posted:So as it’s easier to ask the experts than dig through half-finished wiki pages and stuff, what’re the differences in BC from the original CCA? I know there’s the Hi-Nu and Nightengale but that’s it.  This is a very important difference.
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ImpAtom posted:There are a lot of significant differences. The most blatant being the titular Beltorchika being a big part of the book and her and Amuro's unborn son being a plot point. Chen doesn't exist and Hathaway is the one who kills Quess (which is why Hathaway's Flash coming right from CCA isn't possible because Hathaway's guilt and problems with killing Quess are a major part of his character there.) I've heard this before and I don't know why they changed it for the movie. This is much better than Hathaway having a temper tantrum and killing Chen.
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Monaghan posted:I've heard this before and I don't know why they changed it for the movie. This is much better than Hathaway having a temper tantrum and killing Chen. The movie came out before BC. The movie was based on another book called Hi-streamer and idk how it deals with Hathaway, if at all.
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Droyer posted:The movie came out before BC. The movie was based on another book called Hi-streamer and idk how it deals with Hathaway, if at all. My understanding is that CCA is basically the second half of Hi-Streamer where the opening does some more buildup to Amuro and Char meeting. The Hi-Nu Gundam, weirdly enough, is NOT from Hi-Streamer despite the name but is the Nu Gundam described in Beltorchika's Children instead.
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ManSedan posted:So as it’s easier to ask the experts than dig through half-finished wiki pages and stuff, what’re the differences in BC from the original CCA? I know there’s the Hi-Nu and Nightengale but that’s it. There's a lot of minor changes throughout the story too. I've read some of the manga and it's quite good. There's a few other minor MSVs, like the unimaginatively named and less imaginatively designed Psycho Doga. (It has a commissar hat) Bright Noa has a beard. Amuro has to fly a Jegan for a short while while the Re-GZ is being repaired and the Nu isn't ready yet. Which itself makes for an interesting scene as while he does managed not to get Jegan'd, it's clear he has some trouble dealing with a lesser machine. And overall the story is just a little bit more pro-Zeon and things are made a little harder for Amuro, who's not quite the golden boy wonder pilot that he is in the movie.
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Hey everyone, About a year and a half ago I wanted to stick my toes into the waters of gundam, and I asked people for recommendations here. I just wanted to pop back in and thank all of you for sharing your knowledge and enthusiasm with me. Turn A was what was universally recommended, after watching the first episode I had to wait six months or so to watch it as I knew my spouse would really love it too. So while waiting for us to have time to see it together watched Seed, 00, the three compilation films of the original series, Iron Blooded Orphans and Zeta. I have really enjoyed them all to varying degrees. But Turn A was something really special. We both loved every minute of it and would say without hesitation it's one of the best television series -let alone Anime-we've ever seen. So I just wanted to let you all know that in sharing your knowledge and admiration of all things Gundam you have enabled not one but two more people to enjoy it and become fans now as well. I fully intend to watch War in the Pocket and 08th ms team this year, but I want to hold off on them for a while. I like knowing that there is still really great stuff waiting for me to see, and so don't want to run out of it too fast. So thanks again, and I have a further question. what is the absolute weirdest Gundam series? By point of comparison, the anime i have loved most created this decade were Space Dandy and Gatchaman Crowds.So I would like to watch what would be considered the most absurd or strange Gundam to fill some time before i go back to watching the really great series. I have heard G Gundam is pretty bizarre, is that indeed the case?
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Sooper Gila posted:what is the absolute weirdest Gundam series? By point of comparison, the anime i have loved most created this decade were Space Dandy and Gatchaman Crowds.So I would like to watch what would be considered the most absurd or strange Gundam to fill some time before i go back to watching the really great series. I have heard G Gundam is pretty bizarre, is that indeed the case? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8um1N78AhY&hd=1
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Sooper Gila posted:what is the absolute weirdest Gundam series? By point of comparison, the anime i have loved most created this decade were Space Dandy and Gatchaman Crowds.So I would like to watch what would be considered the most absurd or strange Gundam to fill some time before i go back to watching the really great series. I have heard G Gundam is pretty bizarre, is that indeed the case? G-Gundam is a silly series but if you're willing to accept what it does it's pretty straightforward super robot action and wouldn't feel that weird if it wasn't Gundams. The weirdest Gundam series is probably G-Reco honestly, in terms of just being strange, silly and bizarre.
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Yeah G-Reco would probably be my pick for strangest too. It even tackles some of the same basic ideas as Turn-A but in a very controversial and, uh, uniquely frantic way.
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ImpAtom posted:G-Gundam is a silly series but if you're willing to accept what it does it's pretty straightforward super robot action and wouldn't feel that weird if it wasn't Gundams. Well, it does have the horse Gundam. And the windmill Gundam. It's not that goofy by Super Robot standards, but there's a bit of sillyness even beyond the genre requirements. If manga count, I suppose Gundam Sousei might be the call. It's the story behind the making of the original Gundam retold as the most dramatic event in history, run by lunatics.
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The horse Gundam is silly, but it also made a cameo in Turn-A and Sooper liked that show. :p
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G Gundam is the most deliberately silly. Victory (at least in its later episodes) is the most ‘oh my god I am getting a front-row seat to this dude’s psychotic break’. G-Reco has whiplash-inducing pacing and dumps you in a very alien world and then demands you keep up, but it doesn’t have anywhere near the raw delirium of genocide by giant motorbike or a recurring antagonist being shut down by basic sex-ed.
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Victory Gundam teaches us just through believing hard enough, you can create your own personal motorbike-based afterlife which is somehow visible to other people.
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Monaghan posted:I've heard this before and I don't know why they changed it for the movie. This is much better than Hathaway having a temper tantrum and killing Chen. The two events seem fairly similar to me after reading up a bit about Hathaway's Flash and Beltorchika's Children. In Beltorchika's Children Hathaway is trying to scare Quess away from Amuro and shoots to miss, but actually hits her and it results in her death (Tomino seems quite fond of this idea, Loran and Bellri both do something similar too). An event that scars him going forward and contributes to his actions in Hathaway's Flash. Or at least, it does in conjunction with Quess' newtype ghost occasionally mocking him if I recall. In Char's Counterattack Hathaway is upset about Quess' death and shoots wildly at Chen, his last shot (which admittedly seems more focused) hitting her suit and killing her. His reaction, leaning back with eyes and mouth wide seems like even he's shocked at hitting her and my interpretation is that he lashed out in anger at Chen but never intended to kill her, and is upset in a similar way to killing Quess in Beltorchika's Children. I also find him killing someone else in an emotional outburst more understandable and appropriate than him just killing Quess by accident though, so I may be an outlier. tsob fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Jan 16, 2018 |
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Not many details so far, but it seems "New Gundam Breaker" has just been announced. Implicitly some shift from the previous 1-3, maybe just a new engine.
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They did announce SD Gundam: G Generation would be ported to Switch though. How likely is that to have an English sub or to be available outside Japan? I know some games get an English sub for the Asian market and just aren't available outside the area. And how easy is it to buy stuff on the Japanese Nintendo online marketplace if it isn't? I much prefer downloading games than getting physical releases so I'd prefer that than buying it on Play Asia if need be.
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Raxivace posted:The horse Gundam is silly, but it also made a cameo in Turn-A and Sooper liked that show. :p I've watched Turn A like three times and I have no idea what you're talking about. When's this cameo?
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The Muffinlord posted:I've watched Turn A like three times and I have no idea what you're talking about. When's this cameo? The dark history presumably.
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Yea, when Sid is making a copy of the Dark History for Guin in what must be episode 46 or so you can see Fuunsaiki, the Nether Gundam and one or two other units which I can't recall off hand appear on a screen behind them. It's not even the units in action, just wireframe outlines of them.
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Yeah, G Gundam is weirdly the non-UC series most repped in Turn-A, down to SHINING FINGAAAAA.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Not many details so far, but it seems "New Gundam Breaker" has just been announced. Implicitly some shift from the previous 1-3, maybe just a new engine. I do love how we're getting those english Asian releases for all the SRW and gundam games. such a prospect was unthinkable to me ten years ago.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Still not on the Switch I agree it would be cool on the Nintendo Vita 2, but we can at least be glad that it's getting an official Western release on PS4.
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I cannot for the life of me work out what inner frame this is. It's from the new gundam breaker game announcement.
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, G Gundam is weirdly the non-UC series most repped in Turn-A, down to SHINING FINGAAAAA. Is it? None of them get much that I recall. G is some wireframe models of Fuunsaiki and the Nether Gundam in the background along with the Turn-X having a weapon called the Shining Finger, but the Shining Finger he uses doesn't have much in common with the one the Shining and God Gundam use; since the Turn-X's just shoots a gout of flame if I recall. The Mahiroo apparently uses a mobile trace system too, but it's not a detail included in the animation and is just known from fluff I think. Wing has Corin freak out and see the Wing Zero's face, and apparently one of the manga straight up has him confirmed to be from the AC time period and pilot one of the manga units (Aesculapius Gundam) and X has the Double X appear firing it's cannons in a hologram as Dianna is discussing the Black History. There's more G references, but they're so slight I'd say that X might actually have more rep simply because it's appearance is much harder to miss.
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Luminaflare posted:I cannot for the life of me work out what inner frame this is. Definitely not an IBO Gundam frame, although they do have that kinda disjointed foot
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The Muffinlord posted:I've watched Turn A like three times and I have no idea what you're talking about. When's this cameo?  
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Marx Headroom posted:Definitely not an IBO Gundam frame, although they do have that kinda disjointed foot The waist and shoulders look like an IBO Gundam frame as well.
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