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DancingShade posted:3D was a mistake. Shroud of the Avatar should have been created with Ultima 4 level EGA graphics and virtually none of these issues would have come to pass. this is true for gaming in general I randomly check up on this game every year or so and I'm...glad?...it's the piece of poo poo one can only expect from the guy who hasn't made a good game in over two decades.
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Dec 27, 2017 01:39
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synthetik posted:All I can remember about IX besides the packaging was a hedge maze that had a flaming sword in it that you could grab almost immediately that trivialized just about every encounter. I remember climbing atop a spire of ice at some point. There was a blue dragon there who dropped a crazy amount of gems and a ice sword. The sword wasn't even visible on the top of the icicle, because bugs, but I was lucky enough to loot it by accident. That was what trivialized all encounters for me from then on, it would freeze everything I hit. Of course I too quit the game because of some bug stonewall that wouldn't let me progress the story, right after I exited the gargoyle city (which was also buggy). Owell, lovely game, I just have some nice christmas memories playing it
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Mr. Pickles posted:Of course I too quit the game because of some bug stonewall that wouldn't let me progress the story, right after I exited the gargoyle city (which was also buggy). If you left the gargoyle city without taking a queen egg, you were hosed and couldn't progress. Not really a bug so much as lovely design. Yes, I remember tiny details about games I played ~20 years ago.
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Gynovore posted:If you left the gargoyle city without taking a queen egg, you were hosed and couldn't progress. Not really a bug so much as lovely design. Motherfucker. I always wanted to finish the lighthouse quest and see what happened if I did, owell, tough. Well, I think IX was the first 3d open world rpg I ever played. I can't seem to remember anything that came even close at the time. There was great hype etc.
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Mr. Pickles posted:Motherfucker. I always wanted to finish the lighthouse quest and see what happened if I did, owell, tough. ...except it wasn't really an open world game; parts of it would open up as the plot progressed. If you used a glitch to get to areas you weren't supposed to, the game assumed the plot had reached that point. Once you find all four gems, have them polished, and put them in the correct lighthouses, the reward is... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... 100 gold, which was pennies by that time. No karma, no unique magic item, nothing. 100 worthless gold. ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... ... ....... .... ...... .... Yeah, Ultima 9 was really, really Not Playtested.
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Oh lorde. I thought it was an epic quest of sorts. Well. what i'd do was stack empty vials, form a buggy ladder, then jump over boulders to "locked" areas I'm feeling an urge to download and install Daggerfall now just for kicks. I just found out it's free to download from the official elderscrolls website :P
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So I was a kickstarter funder but I've never installed any of the betas or paid much attention to the updates.. Are we talking Star Citizen level of boondoggle here, or just a lovely game that's taking too long and will never be completed?
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it's more the latter, which everyone saw coming the core game is crap, mechanics are crap, content is crap. how people continue to keep the dream alive by buying $50 asset flip outhouses, I dunno
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They fired a ton of the in house art team so they could streamline the buy Unity Assets and re-sell them to backers process. The game looks like a jumbled mess of blurry poo poo and they’re running housing raffles constantly so you’re seeing people that own 30 or more housing slots in a game that isn’t launched yet It’s not going to be a good game to play with friends
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Canuckistan posted:So I was a kickstarter funder but I've never installed any of the betas or paid much attention to the updates.. Are we talking Star Citizen level of boondoggle here, or just a lovely game that's taking too long and will never be completed? I'm in the same boat, I installed some alpha version years ago and there wasn't anything to do and none of it made any sense so I put it down but have sorta kept an eye on it. It doesn't sound like it's gotten much better besides being a whale farm for people who want to buy virtual plots of land.
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TheAgent posted:it's more the latter, which everyone saw coming  March 27th 2018 is when they fully release the game. Can't wait to see how this pans out.
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All I remember about ultima ix was that you could steal anything from any shop in the game by glitching the camera through the glass case and just taking it. Also feeding poisoned bread to lord British.
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It will be amazing.
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I just sold my housing deed and I feel pretty good about getting out for almost what I pledged on the eve of "launch." I logged in the other day and played for a while. The controls are hideous. I did not make it far. The tiny overworld map is extremely jarring when you leave a scene. I was mostly excited about a Lord British story. When I tried this last time, "Arabella" the first NPC you encounter talked to me. She mentioned that I am the Avatar and there is an Oracle and also there was a cataclysm. So I typed "cataclysm" into their clunky rear end chat window. I got some "I don't know what that is" bullshit. For a major plot point like the word "cataclysm". Nice job, Lum. I ragequit right there.
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HungryMedusa posted:I just sold my housing deed and I feel pretty good about getting out for almost what I pledged on the eve of "launch." the cataclysm she is talking about is probably the 3rd wow expansion, often regarded as the worst one
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Percelus posted:the cataclysm she is talking about is probably the 3rd wow expansion, often regarded as the worst one So worst WOW expansion = best SOTA plot point. Makes sense
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Thought about this 40 gig unplayable alpha recently when Camelot Unchained announced they got $7.5 million from some of the same folks who backed DAoC, and the beard programmer next to Jacobs said something like "So I won't have to cut off my beard and sell locks of it for 5000 bucks?" Also after reading the previous page I think you guys should go easy on Lum, while this game is a permanent scam he is a good guy who just wants to keep his job, I would also be very interested in hearing the details of all the failure but it is probably not reasonable to expect or ask for it until it's all over I don't see a Camelot Unchained thread so I hope one of you MMO whales puts one up once they make the beta announcement in a month
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I'm sure Lum is doing his best with Garriott who can't be bothered to actually care and Chris Spears who is just plain awful at game design. So actually, I will take back my jab at him. If he didn't have to force a story into Garriott's terrible dialogue system idea, Lum might have had a chance to make the NPCs say consistent things. The way it is now, 7/8ths of the things I type get a wtf response. NPCs who are placed a 10 second run from each other have no idea who the other one is. They bit off way more than they could chew with such an open ended system.
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extra stout posted:Thought about this 40 gig unplayable alpha recently when Camelot Unchained announced they got $7.5 million from some of the same folks who backed DAoC, and the beard programmer next to Jacobs said something like "So I won't have to cut off my beard and sell locks of it for 5000 bucks?" Weren't you the idiot trolling him while he was trying to play LOTRO?
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jabro posted:Weren't you the idiot trolling him while he was trying to play LOTRO? lol I don't know where he got that from but yes he posted that once, I think I referenced the scooter hooked up to an ipad but SoTA jokes do not count as trolling him personally, also I am entitled to SoTA jokes until they refund my 30 dollars
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I'm all for sparing Lum some of the blame, but he consistently harped on game companies like this for years. When he joined, a lot of people were like "Oh, he's not gonna stand for any bullshit!" and expected him to help keep the project from turning into the current horror show of constant pledge drives, broken mechanics (like even basic combat is a mess), extremely low content (for any game, let alone an MMO) and a dev team who blubbers "But stuff is hard guys, who knew?? Let's sell some blood so you can have a single questgiver in this 50km area." Right now they are going to shove this out the door and then lay off all non-essential staff (everyone but the guys who can still asset flip for them, I'm guessing). The game that's releasing is pretty much it. It fulfills their promise of getting the game out the door, locks any and all refunds down (well they've been doing that for years now anyway), and stops backers from trying to find any legal recourse against them. This lovely mess is the best we'll most likely get. The hope that somehow another 50 hours of single player content and a rich, lore driven MMO that every player can affect will somehow spring up from this dysfunctional and amateur-hour team is a very, very silly one.
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Garriott only gives a poo poo about SotA to the extent that it keeps Portalarium out of bankruptcy after the failures of Port Casino, and Ultimate Collector. This game was explicitly, from day 0, a most-money-for-lowest-effort cash grab.
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This game is is is is is isis ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg going
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Logged in today to have a look. Think it's been 3 years since I bought it purely to give some money to Ultima-man, figuring that two months from release all they can have left to do is polish and optimisation passes, right? I can't even be angry, I just feel sorry for the folks that had to implement this mess. The game is just embarrassing. It looks like a bloody student project. Everything is so loving janky and brown. Every line of text is either a cliche or absolute nonsense... The combat is the cherry on the cake. I play MUDs that have more gameworld feedback in their combat systems than this game does. There are literally zero-budget, two man projects that are significantly better than this. Even in the same engine (check out Project Gorgon for a good example). God drat. How does the guy that made Ultima 7 turn around and make this? I wouldn't even put this monstrosity to my name if I was RG.
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I mean Garriott is not in the office if what I've read is right. He basically hangs around in New York banging his wife and teleconferences in on a little rolling robot doohickey. I can't imagine he's super in touch with what's going on. I also feel like a lot of these old school MMO guys never figured out that WoW changed it so you can't just shove something janky and half-complete out the door then get 100,000 subscribers and work on fixing it.  Basically they spent too much time reading the MMORPG.com forums, I guess.
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Garriott, where’s my motherfucking cloth map?
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lolasaurusrex posted:God drat. How does the guy that made Ultima 7 turn around and make this? I wouldn't even put this monstrosity to my name if I was RG. My opinion is that Garriott is a kickass coder, but fails miserably at managing groups of people. Ultimas 1-5, which LB coded by himself, were incredible. Ultimas 6 and 7 were made by small teams; 6 was decent, 7 was brilliant but flawed. 8 and 9, coded by larger teams, were both pus-oozing sores on the buttocks of gaming.
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lolasaurusrex posted:God drat. How does the guy that made Ultima 7 turn around and make this? I wouldn't even put this monstrosity to my name if I was RG. Because Ultima 7 wasn't made by one man.
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extra stout posted:Thought about this 40 gig unplayable alpha recently when Camelot Unchained announced they got $7.5 million from some of the same folks who backed DAoC, and the beard programmer next to Jacobs said something like "So I won't have to cut off my beard and sell locks of it for 5000 bucks?" CU is the only other game I backed besides this smoldering pile of poo poo. Their team seems to be making progress slowly but surely considering they're making an engine and assets from the ground up and one of their main programmers left because of creative differences. I hope it does well. It looks like it will be perfect for people that can't log 8 hours a day and just want a quick battle and be able to log off.
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One vanity ride on a Soyuz and he's acting like Neil Armstrong So Garriott gets funding for an MMO and signs on to make a monorail instead. The Lyle Lanley of gaming.
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I keep forgetting the Ultima series wasn't just UO sometimes until reading discussions like this. Think the only non-UO one I've ever played was the version of 3 on the NES.
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Zerilan posted:I keep forgetting the Ultima series wasn't just UO sometimes until reading discussions like this. Think the only non-UO one I've ever played was the version of 3 on the NES. Play 7, it is legit good. Use Exult, a modern port for U7, to play it.
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Zerilan posted:I keep forgetting the Ultima series wasn't just UO sometimes until reading discussions like this. Think the only non-UO one I've ever played was the version of 3 on the NES. On my very first day of playing UO, I asked someone why I didn't get that personality test at character creation like I did in the NES games.
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