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Sludge Tank posted:IM READY NEPTUNE TAKE ME NOW
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AEMO, the people who run our energy network thinks the government are poo poo and not doing enough for our carbon emissions targets. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...123-h0mp6x.html quote:Greenhouse gas emissions from the electricity sector would be reduced at twice the rate proposed by the Turnbull government under a radical new plan outlined by the Australian Energy Market Operator.
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Jan 23, 2018 17:33
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drunkill posted:http://www.theage.com.au/national/education/matthew-guy-vows-to-teach-victorian-students-australian-values-20180123-p4yyry.html The Vic Liberals are starting to use ideas from their northern brethren. What a loving toolbag.
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Jan 23, 2018 22:15
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Like have the vic liberals ever actually been to Melbourne, or spoken to anyone who has? Or are they just content to lead the Andrews govt in their race to the bottom by a considerable margin? I'm looking forward to the Greens snatching up more seats there either way.
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Jan 23, 2018 22:37
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Maybe the Mafia have tickets on the Greens
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Jan 23, 2018 22:43
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Don Dongington posted:Like have the vic liberals ever actually been to Melbourne, or spoken to anyone who has? Or are they just content to lead the Andrews govt in their race to the bottom by a considerable margin? Liberals have basically decided they won’t even try to win anything in the inner suburbs. They’ll win the toff middle ring eastern and south eastern suburbs by default and then fight Labor in the outer suburbs with a PC Gone Mad culture war
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Jan 23, 2018 22:56
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drunkill posted:http://www.theage.com.au/national/education/matthew-guy-vows-to-teach-victorian-students-australian-values-20180123-p4yyry.html Still waiting to hear what these Aussie Values are...
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Jan 23, 2018 23:45
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Halo14 posted:Still waiting to hear what these Aussie Values are... mateship
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Jan 23, 2018 23:47
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A Fair Go Lookin' after yer mates Havin' a punt on the ponies Negative Gearin' Workin' hard as a Tradie Flamin' Lefties think they can take that away from us! 
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Jan 23, 2018 23:55
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Halo14 posted:Still waiting to hear what these Aussie Values are... I can't imagine what values that dead-eyed psychopath has to teach anybody. Other than to not look a gift lobster in the beak.
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Jan 23, 2018 23:59
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JBP posted:You seem upset that I asked a thread that knows more than me who the prominent indigenous speakers/activists are because I have no idea and was only finding vague pages with no author or horse poo poo. Did you end up reading any of the stuff I sent you?
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Jan 24, 2018 01:09
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Yeah I read a few of Gorrie's articles. I like her take on Recognise since I've only ever seen it as a meaningless brand name. Also good stuff about collective and direct action v white man's politics. Led me to IndigenousX eventually which is basically everything I wanted in one place. I also ordered Treaty and Statehood but it hasn't arrived. I want to read it over the weekend 
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Jan 24, 2018 01:30
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JBP posted:Yeah I read a few of Gorrie's articles. I like her take on Recognise since I've only ever seen it as a meaningless brand name. Also good stuff about collective and direct action v white man's politics. Led me to IndigenousX eventually which is basically everything I wanted in one place. IndigenousX is fantastic and everyone should subscribe to their Patreon.
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Jan 24, 2018 01:31
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JBP posted:Yeah I read a few of Gorrie's articles. I like her take on Recognise since I've only ever seen it as a meaningless brand name. Also good stuff about collective and direct action v white man's politics. Led me to IndigenousX eventually which is basically everything I wanted in one place. Awesome. Sorry if I was a bit of a dick while sharing them I guess it probably can be hard to find stuff that you can engage with when you don't know where to even start. IndigenousX is great glad you found it.
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Jan 24, 2018 01:59
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I just like to dig into one person's work. Gorrie is a good recommendation imo. I like her style and she has a lot of interesting reflections on appearing in anglo-centric media, which I find particularly revealing. I can't remember what it was, but she had a bit of an aside about appearing on a panel as the token black person alongside van Badham and Dastyari. General gist was how much they loved polite democracy and believed democracy would find a way while she replied bullshit the entire time.
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Jan 24, 2018 02:09
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You Am I posted:The Vic Liberals are starting to use ideas from their northern brethren. What a loving toolbag. They're desperate to claw back some regional seats, that's why they're so focused on an education culture war. And the ALP know it.
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Jan 24, 2018 03:28
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drunkill posted:http://www.theage.com.au/national/education/matthew-guy-vows-to-teach-victorian-students-australian-values-20180123-p4yyry.html hahaha holy poo poo. Those three are the only cross-curriculum priorities. They want to get rid of an entire section of the Australia Curriculum. It's also pretty loving clear they have zero idea of how they are incorporated into classes. It's not like a maths class turns into indigenous history for a lesson. quote:Whilst we agree with the importance of these topics, we believe greater value would result from not having cross curriculum priorities which serve only to dilute the teaching of core competencies; namely, literacy, numeracy and writing skills”.
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Jan 24, 2018 03:30
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Sparticle posted:hahaha holy poo poo. Those three are the only cross-curriculum priorities. They want to get rid of an entire section of the Australia Curriculum. It's also pretty loving clear they have zero idea of how they are incorporated into classes. It's not like a maths class turns into indigenous history for a lesson. please tweet all of this so I can repeatedly retweet it.
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Jan 24, 2018 03:38
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quote:Victorian Nationals leader Peter Walsh and Opposition leader Matthew Guy both went to state schools. Ah now we see the violence inherent in the system! The untermensch must learn their place and give up this silly fad of "multiculural marxism". What's their position on scientific literacy, I wonder?
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Jan 24, 2018 03:47
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The Rail, Tram & Bus Union have voted 94% against the new pay deal, so Sydney is going to be pretty much shut down on Monday. Of course the government is trying to stop the strike using the Fair Work Commission...
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Jan 24, 2018 04:51
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ShoeFly posted:The Rail, Tram & Bus Union have voted 94% against the new pay deal, so Sydney is going to be pretty much shut down on Monday. Every strike gets shut down by FWC because picketing and protesting outside the business or disrupting scabs is unlawful. Basically a strike under the law is pointless.
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Jan 24, 2018 04:54
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Anidav posted:Opinion: Australia becoming a republic would be a blow to democracy This... this is one of the worst things I've ever read. It doesn't say anything. Like if it was posted in these forums it'd probably be probatable. Regardless of how demonstrably undemocratic an unelected head of state is, how is the queen the protector of our constitution, more so than say, our supreme court? Yes, the question of who our head of state will be is unanswered, because we haven't even decided if we can ask it yet. (Incidentally, if anything productive is to come out of this post, who would be a good head of state?) If this is what the monarchists have to offer then yes, we almost certainly will be a republic in the next few years.
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Jan 24, 2018 04:55
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Yeah it's worse than Bolt imho
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Jan 24, 2018 05:10
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Someone tell poo poo for brains here that the Windsors are German it would blow his mind.
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Jan 24, 2018 05:19
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Hobo Erotica posted:This... this is one of the worst things I've ever read. It doesn't say anything. Like if it was posted in these forums it'd probably be probatable. Do we actually need a head of state? Can't the government just appoint a representative to speak for us at international events? Can we just be run by parliament? The Prime Minister isn't even a real job, they can just turf that as well.
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Jan 24, 2018 05:22
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We want someone to wield reserve power. And we want them to be apolitical, which is why I'm wary of direct election. But the popular image of a 'president' is so overwhelmed by America people wouldn't accept any other method. I like the old federal council plan. Each state parilament appoints a governor by supermajority, together 5/6 of governors wield reserve power. I also reckon even if we did that, we should just declare the PM the head of state. It's a dumb seperation. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Jan 24, 2018 05:27
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Hobo Erotica posted:(Incidentally, if anything productive is to come out of this post, who would be a good head of state?) I don't understand, Forever Chancellor Dutton is head of state and always has been
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Jan 24, 2018 05:29
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Konomex posted:Do we actually need a head of state? Can't the government just appoint a representative to speak for us at international events? Can we just be run by parliament? The Prime Minister isn't even a real job, they can just turf that as well. Yes. Yes, they're called the Prime Minister. Yes. Probably not. In that order.
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Jan 24, 2018 05:37
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Just look at that last line: "Will an elected head of state have the power to usurp the decisions of the parliament? Surely that would be a blow to democracy. So the republic was and remains a very bad idea." He literally poses a question, takes it upon himself to answer it, and then uses his completely unqualified answer to reach the conclusion he wants. It's astonishingly bad writing, even for someone in primary school. Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Jan 24, 2018 05:56
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I'm a republican who is right now pro-monarchy because I don't trust us not to gently caress up designing a replacement.
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Jan 24, 2018 05:59
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MikeJF posted:We want someone to wield reserve power. And we want them to be apolitical, which is why I'm wary of direct election. But the popular image of a 'president' is so overwhelmed by America people wouldn't accept any other method. Haven't heard that before, sounds interesting. Seems to lack a certain grace though. Is the governor a premier? Don't we want to keep state and federal more seperate than that? Assuming we keep the states of course. Speaking of which, I thought it was weird when they decided that Clover Moore couldn't simultaneously be the mayor of Sydney and the Member for Sydney in state Parliment. Surely that's a good and efficient use of mayor-ing? To represent the citizens?
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Jan 24, 2018 06:00
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Hobo Erotica posted:Haven't heard that before, sounds interesting. Seems to lack a certain grace though. Is the governor a premier? Don't we want to keep state and federal more seperate than that? Assuming we keep the states of course. No, it'd just be literally the same governors we already have now. They're the head of state of the states, appointed by the Premiers. Right now by the grace of the Queen, but we'd just pray the crown off the logo. The concept being that the national executive is the literal assemblage of the state executives. Given that the only function of the executive is ceremonial and the very rare Oh poo poo button, seperation is less necessary. The change to supermajority appointment at state level rather than premier appointment would be to keep their federal functions apolitical. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Jan 24, 2018 06:10
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God I hate the amount of duplication we have in our governments. I know I've said it before, but what the gently caress are we paying all these people for. Ribbon cutting?
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Jan 24, 2018 06:13
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Hobo Erotica posted:I know I've said it before, but what the gently caress are we paying all these people for. Ribbon cutting? Pretty much. Don't look up where they live.
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Jan 24, 2018 06:14
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Canberra Goons - here's the deets for the Invasion Day rally Friday. https://www.facebook.com/events/341298233046877/ And ffs don't wear party branded poo poo or some irrelevant banner. We're not the loving Victorian Greens. MikeJF posted:We want someone to wield reserve power. And we want them to be apolitical, which is why I'm wary of direct election. But the popular image of a 'president' is so overwhelmed by America people wouldn't accept any other method. I'm super in favour of a Federal Council as head of state, but more like Switzerland than the old model. Each state (NT and ACT become states) directly elects OVOV one councillor as does the First Nations community, with a total of 9, with a rotating Presidency every six month, with a mere majority able to make most decisions and a supermajority of 7 required to use reserve powers to dissolve Parliament. but they all have to wear masks like it's Eyes Wide Shut
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Jan 24, 2018 06:25
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MikeJF posted:I'm a republican who is right now pro-monarchy because I don't trust us not to gently caress up designing a replacement.  Also it’s probably really expensive.
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Jan 24, 2018 06:38
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If we're on government reformation chat, I'm unironically in favour of abolishing local councils. I have to deal with a bunch for work and in my experience, they're universally shite because of so many different things that the best solution is to just get rid of them. There's nothing they do that a state government couldn't do. Chance update for those who are interested: he still isn't out of the woods yet, but things are looking a bit less dire than they were before. He may not get out of it totally unscathed (they still don't know exactly what the dogs were poisoned with, and will need to monitor to see if there are any long-term consequences), but that he might get out of it at all is a miracle in itself. 
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Jan 24, 2018 06:49
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Kafka Syrup posted:I'm super in favour of a Federal Council as head of state, but more like Switzerland than the old model. Each state (NT and ACT become states) directly elects OVOV one councillor as does the First Nations community, with a total of 9, with a rotating Presidency every six month, with a mere majority able to make most decisions and a supermajority of 7 required to use reserve powers to dissolve Parliament. Not sure about the first part, but I'm sold on the second.
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Jan 24, 2018 06:50
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Whitlam posted:There's nothing they do that a state government couldn't do. Wrong way round Whitlam! Get rid of states, there's nothing they do that the federal / locals can't do. Surely we need councils more than we need states. Sorry about Chance, good luck lil' pup.
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