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The Bajorans as a whole stop showing up as much in the third season and become almost a non-entity by season 4. There's still episodes that bring up stuff that surrounded the Bajorans, the occupation and the "Terek Nor" days for example, but for the most part its focus isn't on the Bajorans but on the main characters. I can think of a few episodes that do concentrate specifically on Bajor after season 4 but they can probably be counted on one hand.
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TheCenturion posted:Genesis flat-out didn't work as advertised. It's possible that, down the road, it could, but most likely not. But from an 'ongoing story' standpoint, they couldn't have had Genesis be usable, or there'd be no way to explain why people aren't using it all over the drat place. For example: 'we can transport across interstellar distances now' or 'why haven't we hooked the Botany Bay survivors up to constant blood extraction devices' from Star Trek: Into Darkness. That said, if the Movie Era Klingons, or Khan for that matter, had gotten their hands on even the flawed version, it'd make for one hell of a bomb.
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Jan 26, 2018 18:40
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Just eliminate the "remake in the form of its new matrix" part of Genesis and call it the Revelation Device
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Jan 26, 2018 18:50
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Nessus posted:The Genesis bomb sounds much faster and more reliable. Even Harve Bennett's "oh poo poo, this is an ongoing franchise now, we need to write this sucker out of the setting" aside, I think there's a compelling case to be made that Genesis is truly lost technology. With one exception, every scientist who worked on it is dead, the lone survivor almost assuredly has no interest in trying again, all of the test data was erased, the prototype was used up, the planet it created exploded, a specially tasked starship spent several months unable to find a planet meeting the scientific and ethical requirements for the project, AND to top it all off the public revelation of the project caused a massive interstellar uproar and nearly provoked an arms race with at least one major adversary. With all of that in mind, it's totally unsurprising that the Federation never tried again, and it's possible that nobody else was willing to spend the resources or was ever able to figure it out themselves.
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Jan 26, 2018 18:56
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There were some books ages ago where some people (I forget who now) stole the Genesis tech from Carol Marcus and blew up a bunch of planets with a worse version of the Genesis device
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Jan 26, 2018 18:59
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I remember a TNG book series from the early 2000s that had a race of moss shapeshifters genesis-nuking the whole quadrant. The books also had a moss-Riker who had his cover blown when Troi has an allergic reaction to his moss, and Leah Brahm’s husband conveniently die to make way for Geordi. You couldn’t step into a Barnes and Noble for years without tripping over huge stacks of them on clearance. Efb; This was it FlamingLiberal posted:There were some books ages ago where some people (I forget who now) stole the Genesis tech from Carol Marcus and blew up a bunch of planets with a worse version of the Genesis device
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Jan 26, 2018 19:04
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The graduation mission in Klingon Academy was an all-out assault on Earth. You're assigned as a reserve element, responding to calls about an experimental Starfleet battleship wrecking the force assigned to wipe out the Mars shipyards, assisting an outnumbered force dealing with... I don't remember what, and then at the end you get a call about a Federation cruiser wrecking a group of frigates that are carrying a payload to Earth. The cruiser is the Enterprise. The frigates are carrying Genesis torpedoes. It was pretty awesome.
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jng2058 posted:That said, if the Movie Era Klingons, or Khan for that matter, had gotten their hands on even the flawed version, it'd make for one hell of a bomb. Sure, but they’ve all already got the technology and wherewithal to glass planets. Genesis probably doesn’t even make it much quicker. No, the only fancy part about Genesis was that it left usable territory. Edit: One of the perfectly plausible answers to the Fermi Paradox is 'They all blew up. Any civilization capable of interplanetary travel, even at sublight speeds, is more than capable of casually depopulating planets as a means of war.' TheCenturion fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jan 26, 2018 |
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Jan 26, 2018 19:38
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Besides, weaponized nanites would be so much easier to implement. Grey goo the population and rebuild you some fancy space cows and orange trees.
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I think u man interstellar
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McNally posted:The graduation mission in Klingon Academy was an all-out assault on Earth. You're assigned as a reserve element, responding to calls about an experimental Starfleet battleship wrecking the force assigned to wipe out the Mars shipyards, assisting an outnumbered force dealing with... I don't remember what, and then at the end you get a call about a Federation cruiser wrecking a group of frigates that are carrying a payload to Earth. We should get a Star Trek show from the perspective of an alien race, maybe extragalactic, studying the Alpha Quadrant surreptitiously and make it basically the "humans are the Doc Browns of the galaxy" meme, where every week they hear about some Starfleet ship encountering weird phenomena and go follow it to see the aftermath. Like space NCIS as they investigate the incidents to find out what happened and how the Starfleet crew used technobabble to save themselves and destroy an absurdly powerful ancient artifact, or whatever. Every week they go from  to  to  as they realize they're in way over their heads.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:We should get a Star Trek show from the perspective of an alien race, maybe extragalactic, studying the Alpha Quadrant surreptitiously and make it basically the "humans are the Doc Browns of the galaxy" meme, where every week they hear about some Starfleet ship encountering weird phenomena and go follow it to see the aftermath. I like to think this is what those weird dream aliens from DS9 If Wishes Were Horses were up to.
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McNally posted:The graduation mission in Klingon Academy was an all-out assault on Earth. You're assigned as a reserve element, responding to calls about an experimental Starfleet battleship wrecking the force assigned to wipe out the Mars shipyards, assisting an outnumbered force dealing with... I don't remember what, and then at the end you get a call about a Federation cruiser wrecking a group of frigates that are carrying a payload to Earth. I like to imagine that at that point, the Klingons just used the Enterprise as their own Kobayashi Maru in simulations.
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If any of the Enterprise celebrated its victories like the Klingons did, the song would literally never end, probably due to a time loop though
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MikeJF posted:I like to imagine that at that point, the Klingons just used the Enterprise as their own Kobayashi Maru in simulations. Here was the final part of the Klingonashi Maru test of K'mar Bohkh, the all-time record holder for the high score of this unwinnable test: "Sir, High Command has confirmed that the Enterprise is... I... I don't believe..." "Go on, Simulation Officer." "... We have the Enterprise surrounded by 97 Birds of Prey. Her shields and weapons are offline. Warp core has been neutralized and all other engines have been destroyed." "May Kahless bless this day, for I, K'mar, of the house Bohkh, have beaten the unbeatable--" "Sir... the captain of the Enterprise has contacted our High Command...." "You mean Kirk is going to surrender to me? I will not take him prisoner!! I will--" "No... he's hailed a building at Ty'Gokor... he's talking to the central computer at Klingon Defense Force Headquarters...." "What?" "Sir... our self-destruct system has been activated. Every ship in the fleet is about to explode, as is every KDF installation! The computer is committing suicide and taking us with it!!" End of simulation
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Nessus posted:It won't do us any favors, but a lot of these scenarios depend on a straight extrapolation of present trends, which are not always actually reliable indicators since other poo poo happens. For instance, the famine guys would've probably been right IF for some reason it was impossible to meaningfully improve agricultural yields over those of the 60s. Thank God for Quadrotriticale. 
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Nobody mentioned that Rachel on Rachel watches star trek is played by rose Leslie
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Cythereal posted:I like to think this is what those weird dream aliens from DS9 If Wishes Were Horses were up to. Its what the Organisms do.
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Astroman posted:Thank God for Quadrotriticale. The what, the what?
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How the hell did Tasha Yar get into Starfleet Academy? We saw in that episode with Wesley and the blue dude that they only accept the very highest scoring nerds. If Tasha spent her whole life running from rape gangs and scavenging for cat food, how the hell could she be in a top percentile in warp physics or neutronium engineering?
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Delthalaz posted:How the hell did Tasha Yar get into Starfleet Academy? We saw in that episode with Wesley and the blue dude that they only accept the very highest scoring nerds. If Tasha spent her whole life running from rape gangs and scavenging for cat food, how the hell could she be in a top percentile in warp physics or neutronium engineering? She aced the physical test by out running every man on the field
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Delthalaz posted:How the hell did Tasha Yar get into Starfleet Academy? We saw in that episode with Wesley and the blue dude that they only accept the very highest scoring nerds. If Tasha spent her whole life running from rape gangs and scavenging for cat food, how the hell could she be in a top percentile in warp physics or neutronium engineering? The final question on the entrance exam is a trick question (given this massive set of variables, what's the proper matter-antimatter intermix ratio for a perfect reaction -- the answer is always 1:1, since anything else will leave stray matter or antimatter and result in, best case scenario, random deuterium-deuterium fusion interactions). I suspect Starfleet actually uses parts of the exam to weed out the turboautists and would rather have people who can critically think their way through poo poo.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:We should get a Star Trek show from the perspective of an alien race, maybe extragalactic, studying the Alpha Quadrant surreptitiously and make it basically the "humans are the Doc Browns of the galaxy" meme, where every week they hear about some Starfleet ship encountering weird phenomena and go follow it to see the aftermath. The Cardassians probably holed up because they realized there was too much bullshit out there. Ditto the Romulans. I like to think the Klingons just rolled with it while laughing heartily, though. The Klingons had many flaws but they never seemed xenophobic.
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SpeakSlow posted:Besides, weaponized nanites would be so much easier to implement. Grey goo the population and rebuild you some fancy space cows and orange trees. Instant Weed planet!
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Delthalaz posted:How the hell did Tasha Yar get into Starfleet Academy? We saw in that episode with Wesley and the blue dude that they only accept the very highest scoring nerds. If Tasha spent her whole life running from rape gangs and scavenging for cat food, how the hell could she be in a top percentile in warp physics or neutronium engineering? loving affirmative action quotas for rape planet escapees. Blame the libs. 
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Nessus posted:My working assumption was that this happened to every general exploration ship. (Cataloguing gaseous anomalies? Well, that might get you a couple of weird events.) The Enterprises were remarkable for surviving. Given that DS9's Defiant only went out when needed, generally on purely military missions, and still managed to find a planet that phased in and out of reality, accidentally sent three crew-members back in time several hundred years in a transporter accident, and had to deal with a paradoxical colony inhabited by their descendants... yeah, you gotta assume there's a lot of space bullshit out there. Diane Duane's old Romulan novels had it that something like three quarters of the original Romulan colony ships were lost to various types of space bullshit before they reached Romulus.
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Nessus posted:My working assumption was that this happened to every general exploration ship. (Cataloguing gaseous anomalies? Well, that might get you a couple of weird events.) The Enterprises were remarkable for surviving. I have to assume that the Romulans developed their black hole propulsion system from encountering space anomalies. Sane people don't say "hey, let's use a black hole to power our ship!" Sane people who encountered weird space poo poo and decided to harness and weaponize it, on the other hand, sounds just like the Romulans.
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Black Holes as power sources are actually a pretty good idea, and may be more practical in reality than antimatter. The amount of hawking radiation that a black hole gives off actually increases as it shrinks (so the rate of mass loss increases and it evaporates really fast as it gets small). So you just take a tiny black hole - say a few hundred thousand tons, the weight of a big ship and no gravitational danger - and it'll spit out a hundred or so petawatts of pure hawking radiation energy, no messing around with any of this explosive antimatter stuff. It's a convenient perfect mass/energy conversion machine. It'll be a few years before it evaporates so you can just top it up when you feel like with whatever's lying around. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Jan 27, 2018 |
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Delthalaz posted:How the hell did Tasha Yar get into Starfleet Academy? We saw in that episode with Wesley and the blue dude that they only accept the very highest scoring nerds. If Tasha spent her whole life running from rape gangs and scavenging for cat food, how the hell could she be in a top percentile in warp physics or neutronium engineering? It appears that Wesley was in some advanced early admission program. He was still like 16 or something. If he's just waited a few more years there would be no crazy Highlander test. I'm sure it's prestigious to get early admission and makes you a shoe in for RED SQUAD RED SQUAD RED SQUAD
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I’ve got like 4 episodes left of TNG and then I’ll write up a long post of my opinions that no one cares about
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MikeJF posted:Black Holes as power sources are actually a pretty good idea, and may be more practical in reality than antimatter. That's a really good point. No loving around with crystal reaction chambers, no magnetic bottles, and any interstellar gas or dust can be used as fuel.
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Arglebargle III posted:Nobody mentioned that Rachel on Rachel watches star trek is played by rose Leslie I can’t remember if it was on one of the older, free comments shows or one that’s Patreon-only, but I recall a listener commented on Rachel’s ‘sexy British accent’, so she replied to his comment on the show in an over-the-top, seductive voice. I’ll put a comment on the Patreon that she should work “You know nothing, Chris Lackey!” into the next comments show ;-)
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Angry Salami posted:Diane Duane's old Romulan novels had it that something like three quarters of the original Romulan colony ships were lost to various types of space bullshit before they reached Romulus. Didn't she have all the "Vulcanoid" species throughout the galaxy (like the Mintakans and a bunch of other ones who showed up in books) just be the descendants of lost Romulan colony ships during their migration?
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Angry Salami posted:Diane Duane's old Romulan novels had it that something like three quarters of the original Romulan colony ships were lost to various types of space bullshit before they reached Romulus. The TV IV > Star Trek: Various types of space bullshit
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Man, the Crossfield bugs me in STO. It just doesn't look like it belongs in the same era as the 1701, the Reliant, and the other ships of that era. STO's home-grown TOS-era ships actually fit in pretty well.   
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Cythereal posted:Man, the Crossfield bugs me in STO. It just doesn't look like it belongs in the same era as the 1701, the Reliant, and the other ships of that era. Everything about this is bad.
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Windows 98 posted:I’ve got like 4 episodes left of TNG and then I’ll write up a long post of my opinions that no one cares about Soon you will be a true Trek fan.
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Hahahahahahahaha What is even in that Hull in the bottom? Whales, sir. Whales... Why? Well, somehow it got in the plans and no one could figure out who authorized it, so no one wanted to stick their neck out to alter the plans. Do they and in 3D navigation or something because of their natural habitat? No.
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USS Derp The other two are okay.
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Grand Fromage posted:USS Derp This is what happens when the admiral's "special little guy" gets to design a ship.
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