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Cingulate posted:What episode is EMH slavery from? "Author, Author" I believe, in Voyager's seventh season
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I sure hope no one takes endless screenshots of Shatner and Nimoy dressed as Nazis and uses them out of context
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Feb 18, 2018 05:59
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The episode guide for Enterprise Season 2 is to skip to Season 4 Episode 2
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VitalSigns posted:I might need a watch guide for Enterprise S2 Season 2 is rough. Of the episodes in front of you, Cease Fire, Judgement, and First Flight are mostly good. I remember people really liking Cogenitor when it aired but I don't know how well it holds up now. Future Tense has a couple fun TOS callbacks but it's still a time war episode and those are never great. Looks like the episode immediately following Vanishing Point is Precious Cargo, which is often regarded as the worst episode of the series, but maybe just in the laughably bad sense, a la Voyager's Threshold, and not legit offensively bad, like Retrospect or Tattoo.
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WampaLord posted:
You go there, you eat, you clean your own loving table or you get blacklisted because this is the future and it's understood that you can't just use money to get other people to do the nasty bits of your life anymore.
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Just put ent on in the background until you see an andorian then pay attention
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MikeJF posted:You go there, you eat, you clean your own loving table or you get blacklisted because this is the future and it's understood that you can't just use money to get other people to do the nasty bits of your life anymore. Now this is an answer I can get behind!
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marktheando posted:I went back to watch the scene, so convinced I was right, and it was indeed clams and not potatoes he was washing. Don’t know where I got that idea from. It was actually a small pastry
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VitalSigns posted:I might need a watch guide for Enterprise S2 Save yourself.
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The problem is we exist under capitalism, the totalizing global organizing system that subsumes all facets of human behavior to the logic of the market. Hegemonic capitalism produces the ways we see the world and even the very ways we experience ourselves in the world, not to mention understandings of “human nature”. Star Trek Federation people explicitly existing outside of capitalism, so have fundamentally different motivations and experience their lives in totally different ways than we do.
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Delthalaz posted:The problem is we exist under capitalism, the totalizing global organizing system that subsumes all facets of human behavior to the logic of the market. Hegemonic capitalism produces the ways we see the world and even the very ways we experience ourselves in the world, not to mention understandings of “human nature”. Star Trek Federation people explicitly existing outside of capitalism, so have fundamentally different motivations and experience their lives in totally different ways than we do. The problem is that Gene Roddenberry got weird when he got old and made all these proclamations that the TNG writing staff then had to work around. "Nobody eats meat anymore, because they realize meat is murder." "There's no more money, and nobody acts out of greed. All they care about is self actualization." "Religion is gone, entirely. Everybody realizes it's just a superstition." "Nobody grieves when somebody they love dies anymore. They realize death is just a part of life." "Nobody in the Federation ever disagrees. They all have the same values and realize arguing with each other is wrong." "People aren't sexually repressed anymore." "There's no more bigotry or discrimination ever."
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I prefer it to the alternative presented in more recent treks i.e. "Nothing can progress beyond 2003, since that was the most moral possible time when we made Hard Decisions and had No Illusions."
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Feb 18, 2018 07:32
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Even though Sisko's cooking real food, they might still use a replicator system for plates and silverware. Probably they beam it right off the table.
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Arglebargle III posted:I prefer it to the alternative presented in more recent treks i.e. "Nothing can progress beyond 2003, since that was the most moral possible time when we made Hard Decisions and had No Illusions." I do like TNG era just assuming those values and imagining a world where they're a given, but Discovery is very much about fighting to uphold those values, rather than making GBS threads on them like Enterprise did during the Xindi war arc.
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Delthalaz posted:The problem is we exist under capitalism, the totalizing global organizing system that subsumes all facets of human behavior to the logic of the market. Hegemonic capitalism produces the ways we see the world and even the very ways we experience ourselves in the world, not to mention understandings of “human nature”. Star Trek Federation people explicitly existing outside of capitalism, so have fundamentally different motivations and experience their lives in totally different ways than we do. But they don't have to work 9 to 5 (only now it's 8 to 5, isn't it?) at a job they hate just to survive.
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Epicurius posted:The problem is that Gene Roddenberry got weird when he got old and made all these proclamations that the TNG writing staff then had to work around. The idea of a post-scarcity society and a sci-fi that explores it is fine, the writers were often just too stuck in their 20th century capitalist models to work. See: Dilithium miners. They didn't commit. And they also didn't depict the necessary levels of automation. Riker implies it perfectly fine when he says the ship cleans itself, but then they ignore that poo poo whenever they want.
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Speaking of cleaning, I wonder what a sonic shower feels like. What's the advantage of a sonic shower over a regular shower? I can't imagine it feels as good.
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Pakled posted:Speaking of cleaning, I wonder what a sonic shower feels like. What's the advantage of a sonic shower over a regular shower? I can't imagine it feels as good. You cum every time. It's non-stop. You could say it's waves and waves of cum exploding out of you.
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Pakled posted:Speaking of cleaning, I wonder what a sonic shower feels like. What's the advantage of a sonic shower over a regular shower? I can't imagine it feels as good. To me, the implication was that it pulses sound waves through the water, massaging you and/or cleaning you more efficiently.
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Feb 18, 2018 09:53
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WampaLord posted:To me, the implication was that it pulses sound waves through the water, massaging you and/or cleaning you more efficiently. No, the idea is that it uses soundwaves in lieu of water.
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Feb 18, 2018 09:57
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sonic shower always seemed rly unfulfilling. every living mammal likes a long hot shower.........
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Beachcomber posted:Even though Sisko's cooking real food, they might still use a replicator system for plates and silverware. Probably they beam it right off the table. i always kinna thot that beaming & poo poo was prob not as common on the ground kuz it costs a lot of power and gear idk. its diff when ur on the drat enterprise, the flagship * Big Daddy of the entire federation
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Q_res posted:No, the idea is that it uses soundwaves in lieu of water. Well, when they're shown in TMP and VOY sonic showers are (explicitly) just sort of a magical dirt vaporization thing, but they also seem relaxing, so presumably there's some sort of massage effect. In TNG, though, there's that mention of somebody reprogramming a sonic shower to dump mud on Wesley, which would imply it's both sonic and shower rather than sonic instead of shower. The most coherent overall answer would probably be that the fancy ones have a huge range of settings (water, spa treatments, sonic stuff, whatever), but the simple ones are purely sonic to cut down on the structural logistics. Smythe posted:i always kinna thot that beaming & poo poo was prob not as common on the ground kuz it costs a lot of power and gear idk. its diff when ur on the drat enterprise, the flagship * Big Daddy of the entire federation Starfleet cadets have transporter credits that are relatively limited (beam back and forth every day and you'll use up a month's worth in a week), but that may just be meant as a gentle way to introduce people to the more isolated communities like starships have, rather than actually being a limited resource. Beachcomber posted:Even though Sisko's cooking real food, they might still use a replicator system for plates and silverware. Probably they beam it right off the table. Maybe it's like one of those sushi train restaurants, except the train has little robot arms that clean up tables and move plates around. Roadie fucked around with this message at 10:33 on Feb 18, 2018 |
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Roadie posted:In TNG, though, there's that mention of somebody reprogramming a sonic shower to dump mud on Wesley, which would imply
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That wasn’t mud they dumped on Wesley. It was Diarrhea™
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Is there a term for a space between "everything, or essentially everything, is too cheap to meter" and "there's plenty for everyone but perhaps not enough for everyone to have a SHITLOAD"? Since people use post-scarcity for both interchangeably.
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Post-resource crisis era maybe? We're not worried about running out of poo poo but that doesn't mean things don't have value.
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Nessus posted:Is there a term for a space between "everything, or essentially everything, is too cheap to meter" and "there's plenty for everyone but perhaps not enough for everyone to have a SHITLOAD"? 
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B5 made the distinction that sonic showers were lame but high rank officers got real showers, since they didn't have infinite resources. When you can replicate water I don't know why you'd bother.
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Nessus posted:Is there a term for a space between "everything, or essentially everything, is too cheap to meter" and "there's plenty for everyone but perhaps not enough for everyone to have a SHITLOAD"? The Nordic Model
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Grand Fromage posted:B5 made the distinction that sonic showers were lame but high rank officers got real showers, since they didn't have infinite resources. When you can replicate water I don't know why you'd bother. Yeah, I think SF authors originally came up with sonic showers as a way to clean yourself in space when you have limited water to spare and/or you need to clean yourself in microgravity.
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I just imagine a sonic shower would finally get that poo poo out from behind my eyeballs
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I think even in the 24th and a half century water preservation would be pretty important on a starship.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I think even in the 24th and a half century water preservation would be pretty important on a starship. Just ask the Kazon!
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I think even in the 24th and a half century water preservation would be pretty important on a starship. Not when you can make as much as you want. Even current space water recycling tech is quite efficient, add in the ability to literally create it from energy and there's no situation where you could run out. If you don't have power you have much bigger issues that are going to kill you before you die of thirst.
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WampaLord posted:Best picture I could find: I suspect the script said clams, and when they filmed it they decided to go with something that could actually be seen on TV (and was much cheaper)
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Grand Fromage posted:Not when you can make as much as you want. Even current space water recycling tech is quite efficient, add in the ability to literally create it from energy and there's no situation where you could run out. If you don't have power you have much bigger issues that are going to kill you before you die of thirst. Replicators don't actually make things from energy, they make things from matter banks of stored molecules or, in a pinch, atoms. That said, the ship is a closed system and all the waste will presumably make its way to the dereplicator system eventually, so 
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Their fuel tank is a big honking slush of deuterium and they've got to have a bunch of emergency breathing gas squirreled away. If they can produce an inverse tachyon wedgie I'm pretty sure they can figure out how to make water out of those in a pinch.
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Wouldn't you just beam all the dirt off you. Also run yourself through the transporter every year to de-age.
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Arglebargle III posted:Their fuel tank is a big honking slush of deuterium and they've got to have a bunch of emergency breathing gas squirreled away. If they can produce an inverse tachyon wedgie I'm pretty sure they can figure out how to make water out of those in a pinch. Deuterium water will kill you if you try to live off it
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