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Venuz Patrol posted:SMG logicing himself into the arms of extreme right wing conservatism was really the only way his whole shtick could end No; my opposition to liberal gun control is that it isn’t harsh enough. I support extreme punitive taxation and fines against gun manufacturers/retailers, instead. Gun companies love gun control as much as a gangster loves prohibition - but they also obviously support deregulation. The game is set so that they always win. Yet most comic book films are gun control debate films. On the one side, we need to keep ‘powers’ away from the crazy people and, on the other, we need ‘powers’ to defend ourselves from the crazy people. And so Spiderman argues that ‘with gun ownership comes great responsibility’ - and this message is broadcast again and again, with Civil War, XMen, Iron Man, Black Panther.... XMen even takes things to a Cronenbergian place and argues that guns, being prosthetic enhancements, are as much a part of the body as a pair of glasses or a cochlear implant. So what we’re ultimately talking about is the regulation of bodies - what you are allowed to do with/to your body. This debate over ‘powers’ is a pseudo-opposition; both the American center and the right wing agree on the figure of ‘the crazy violent person’ as the ultimate target, turning attention away from gun companies. Both will, consequently, happily promote the idea that liberal gun control is as progressive as you can possibly get. That’s XMen’s ideological failure: by focussing exclusively on individual empowerment and self-expression, it turns the issue of gun violence into one of multicultural tolerance versus harassment by ‘toxic subjects’. The debate over the open carrying of guns is oddly homologous to the whole ‘free the nipple’ controversy - the wearing of a holstered gun is understood as, automatically, a form of provocation/harassment. And that logic comes to a head with the character of Mystique, who openly displays her ‘powers’ through confrontational nudism. The problem of XMen is that it doesn’t take its thesis to a logical conclusion, and critique the network of social relations and material supplements in which these characters are enmeshed. If your gun is a part of your body, then so is your food, your phone, your workplace, your healthcare, your air, your environment.... And unfortunately that’s the problem with most protests that follow whatever latest outbreak of white supremacist terrorism. The issue with gun nuts is not that they have guns - guns are available anywhere in the world - but that guns are perceived as the only thing under their control, and consequently their only recourse. That’s also what makes them perfect targets for internet radicalization. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:
What was it, I fear he may be banned before he can return
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:No; my opposition to liberal gun control is that it isn’t harsh enough. I support extreme punitive taxation and fines against gun manufacturers/retailers, instead. This is actually a good post and it even coherently ties the issue back into comic book movies. Gun control does fail to address the unique psychology of gun ownership in America. The constant focus on mental health in these debates is kind of begging the question. Mass shooters are deemed crazy only on the basis of them being mass shooters, but there is no realistic mental health solution to the crisis of mass shootings. What if shooters have internalized and act out on sentiments that already exists throughout our culture about speech, individualism and violence. That's a more threatening belief because it places the blame and onus to stop these horrible events not just on a few lone wolf crazies, gun nuts and their financial backers, but on all of us, society as a whole. To get a little moralistic, these shooters aren't typically crazy, they're evil and what's worse they have been taught to do evil. wtf mods Sinding Johansson fucked around with this message at 12:25 on Feb 22, 2018 |
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Feb 22, 2018 06:09
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Yeah I'm not sure how that post was worth a probe
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Burkion posted:What was it, I fear he may be banned before he can return Picture of a dude sticking his head up his own rear end (bending over with the torso passing through the legs) with some crisis actor text under it GonSmithe posted:Sorry about that guys, I went out last night. Thank you for reporting. Maybe it doesn't need to be said but while you're at it can you declare an official moratorium on discussing this poo poo in this thread? It's not like this isn't being discussed in every other forum/social media platform/public space already
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The MSJ posted:It's the MCU. Got to have drones in the movie somewhere. that in itself is kind of hosed up. There's a narrative requirement for an African leader to make ammends for a problem that he has, at worst, neglected, but not for an arms manufacturer with regards to a problem he has actively aggravated and indeed profited from. In fact, the general implication of the film, that the oppression of the black diaspora is the fault of an African nation (albeit a fictional one) with-holding help, is like...20 different kinds of hosed up.
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Turns out this thread is the best comic book movie of the year. What a rollercoaster.
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Guy A. Person posted:Maybe it doesn't need to be said but while you're at it can you declare an official moratorium on discussing this poo poo in this thread? If the issue can be tied into how film is shaped by culture and vice versa, where else would you discuss it?
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Sinding Johansson posted:If the issue can be tied into how film is shaped by culture and vice versa, where else would you discuss it? I mean realistically, I just think it should be clear that we can discuss it or can't. It seemed like the SMg probe was an implicit deterrent from continuing that line of discussion. If it can be tied to comic book movies and isn't just posters making GBS threads on each other I'm fine either way
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The problem of XMen is that it doesn’t take its thesis to a logical conclusion, and critique the network of social relations and material supplements in which these characters are enmeshed. If your gun is a part of your body, then so is your food, your phone, your workplace, your healthcare, your air, your environment.... And unfortunately that’s the problem with most protests that follow whatever latest outbreak of white supremacist terrorism. The issue with gun nuts is not that they have guns - guns are available anywhere in the world - but that guns are perceived as the only thing under their control, and consequently their only recourse. That’s also what makes them perfect targets for internet radicalization. This is actually a fantastic point.
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Anybody even tacitly supporting White and "crisis actors" deserves a permaban, in my opinion. SMG got off too easy. With that said, Black Panther ruled. I never did see Thor Ragnarok (mainly because I didn't like What We Do In The Shadows), but I should probably give it a shot. Crows Turn Off fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Feb 22, 2018 |
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This is a tangent I know I'll stop but literally and I mean literally all SMG said was that the media is manipulative of tragedy and the ghoulishness of the media in these situations is objectively a fact. Anything beyond that, like bullshit about crisis actors, is putting someone else's words in his mouth. edit: vvv the stuff about comic book movies was apt. SMG (recall he's a freaking marxist) said the kids were being exploited (which has a specific marxist interpretation). CNN et al aren't charities and their news coverage has always explicitly and implicitly been driven by financial interests. Hell it would be disingenuous to give these organizations even enough credit to say they are opposed to the deaths of children, given their history of reporting on other issues like war, poverty, healthcare, extra-legal drone strikes and state sanctioned violence Sinding Johansson fucked around with this message at 12:17 on Feb 22, 2018 |
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He defended a man who was talking about how children who survived a horrific encounter with a madman were actors from the deep state to stop the second amendment and he got probed for it and came back with that bullshit about comic book movies and guns. It was a bad post because he is either ignoring the issue he defended or not addressing it. It wasn’t and never was about comic book movies and guns. It’s about one piece of poo poo and his garbage opinions and a goon who defended it for reeeassssons.
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Crows Turn Off posted:With that said, Black Panther ruled. I never did see Thor Ragnarok (mainly because I didn't like What We Do In The Shadows), but I should probably give it a shot.
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Sinding Johansson posted:This is a tangent I know I'll stop but literally and I mean literally all SMG said was that the media is manipulative of tragedy and the ghoulishness of the media in these situations is objectively a fact. Anything beyond that, like bullshit about crisis actors, is putting someone else's words in his mouth. Lol keep on digging that hole.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Don't worry, you just saw Thor: Ragnarok. Is the joke that Thor Ragnarok is very similar to Black Panther, or that it's very similar to What We Do in the Shadows? I mean, it works either way.
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porfiria posted:School shootings are good, sheeple. mods?
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Atlantis' design was described as "a cross between FINAL FANTASY and the STAR WARS prequels". I'm into it, but just lol at using this as a selling point
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Supposed leaks about Aquaman That sounds like very similar to the Black Panther plot except with the roles reversed?
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James Wan also earlier said that it's "Game of Thrones meets James Cameron's Avatar", which makes me thinks of a bio-luminescent deep sea fish: dark shapes outlined with colorful lights.Snowman_McK posted:that in itself is kind of hosed up. There's a narrative requirement for an African leader to make ammends for a problem that he has, at worst, neglected, but not for an arms manufacturer with regards to a problem he has actively aggravated and indeed profited from. In fact, the general implication of the film, that the oppression of the black diaspora is the fault of an African nation (albeit a fictional one) with-holding help, is like...20 different kinds of hosed up. I've heard of this sentiment before, but it's from Muslims instead of specifically black people. Rich Arab nations, especially Saudi Arabia, are frequently criticized by people in other Muslim countries for not protecting Palestine, Iraq or Afghanistan from America and Israel and sometimes they are even accused of aiding what they see as the enemy. The MSJ fucked around with this message at 07:56 on Feb 22, 2018 |
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Supposed leaks about Aquaman I hope Patrick Wilson hams it up terrifically. He was a great villain in the A-Team.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Supposed leaks about Aquaman I’m just sad Tom Curry is just a character and we don’t have Tim Curry in this movie instead
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Ehm, bit late to this, but just to clarify, when I wrote " "Maybe sometimes, the CIA does bad things and isn't all good?", I actually was referring to SHIELD in Winter Soldier, and how it's very clearly following a fascist ideology, but undercuts it in the third act by having the the Good spooks spontaneously separate themselves from the nazi spooks by a show of hands. I mean, it arguably works better for BP, but just as a point of clarification.
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davidspackage posted:I hope Patrick Wilson hams it up terrifically. He was a great villain in the A-Team. The guy calls himself Ocean Master. There's no way but ham from there. Also you know a guy is an rear end in a top hat when he calls himself "Ocean Master".
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IJSMGS - International Journal of SuperMechaGodzilla Studies CFP: WHAT WENT WRONG WITH SMG? Guest Editor: SuperMechaGodzilla Submissions: Abstracts with bibliography, March 16; Full essays, June 15, 2018 In the last couple of years, attacks on SuperMechaGodzilla multiply from different sources. Politically, he was condemned for his position on Armond White, for his critique of the humanitarian approach to refugees, for his more nuanced approach to LGBT+ movement, etc. In the space of psychoanalysis, posters around porfiria started a ferocious campaign against SMG, denouncing him as a fraud. In the space of philosophy, new forms of realism ("Black Panther ontology") reject SMG's thought as still rooted in transcendental subjectivity. Attacks on SMG are often characterized by an almost unheard-of personal brutality (CelticPredator, the campaign to "erase" SMG from Cinema Discusso), and they are also accompanied by SMG's growing exclusion from public forums - one can no longer read his comments and columns in the Comic Book thread, Star Wars, GenChat, etc. Instead of getting caught in petty personal exchanges, the question should be raised: which are the real stakes of this ongoing conflict? What does it imply philosophically and politically? The idea is to invite SMG's colleagues and his critics to engage with different aspects of the emergence of SMG as a problematic and divisive figure, and then to allow SMG himself to reply to the collected texts. Such an issue of IJSMGS could play a very important role since it will render visible the main antagonisms that traverse today's movie discussion boards. Should you be interested in submitting a paper please quote “CFP: WHAT WENT WRONG WITH SMG?” and send Abstract to the IJSMGS.
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Uh, why was SMG probated for an extremely good and interesting post about the X-Men in the comic book movie thread?
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:How is cynicism towards the news industry’s narrativization of the shooting, and America’s bullshit gun control debate, incorrect? SuperMechagodzilla posted:It’s not a defense; he’s not insulting the children. SuperMechagodzilla posted:He did not say they are crisis actors. He’s specifically written that they are children - and, since children are typically not good at understanding the media, they are perhaps inherently being manipulated. SuperMechagodzilla posted:If I say that coverage of the 9/11 attacks was racist and link that to the popularity of ‘Bush did 9/11’ theories, that is not ‘supporting the mockery of 9/11 survivors’. All SMG said himself on the topic is that kids who appear in the news are being exploited. poo poo that's straight out of milquetoast analysis like in Bowling for Columbine, it's not a controversial or radical thing to say. SMG flat out called the idea that the kids are crisis actors an absurd conspiracy theory, along the lines of 'Bush did 9/11' or 'Hillary Clinton [is a] reptilian'. He argues (rightly or wrongly I don't know) that Armond White is being misunderstood, not that White's point as other posters have presented it is true. I saw in GBS a dude only got a month for sincerely arguing Hitler was misunderstood. Free SMG Sinding Johansson fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Feb 22, 2018 |
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GonSmithe owns
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Pretty sure the probation was a "please stop talking about this" one so fairplay. Just a shame that it was attached to a legit good post. Also its really weird just how delighted people were to finally be able to condemn Armond White's character as opposed to just his criticism.
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can we at least agree that Robert Downey Jr. is a crisis actor? the crisis being that marvel movies are bad
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Hell yeah have you seen him in Natural Born Killers
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After JL the DCEU is in a state of infinite crisis.
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Gorn Myson posted:Pretty sure the probation was a "please stop talking about this" one so fairplay. Just a shame that it was attached to a legit good post. On the one hand, I can understand that it can be difficult to criticize someone you've publicly been a fan of (as my avatar may suggest), but there comes a point where the only appropriate response is "yeaaaaaah, gently caress that guy." OTOH the last few pages were really funny, so I'm glad it all happened. Regardless, it's only natural to discuss the politics behind an author's work, and a person's character absolutely shapes their politics. AW's critiques have been posted here quite a bit, and for people who have been rubbed the wrong way by his rhetoric I can imagine it's no huge shock that he's got some really nasty opinions under the hood. If the man's work is fair game to be posted here, then his character is too. It's only natural that some would take a victory lap over it, because again it's really funny.
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Mr. Apollo posted:After JL the DCEU is in a state of infinite crisis. It was in crisis when BvS shambled out and made no sense at all, JL just deepened it
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Gorn Myson posted:Pretty sure the probation was a "please stop talking about this" one so fairplay. Just a shame that it was attached to a legit good post. Please stop talking probations are 6 hours, not 30 days. This was personal.
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Actually the guy huffing his own farts and defending a shithead because he has correct movie opinions is a genius, as he talked about the X-Men
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Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:On the one hand, I can understand that it can be difficult to criticize someone you've publicly been a fan of (as my avatar may suggest), but there comes a point where the only appropriate response is "yeaaaaaah, gently caress that guy." It just astonishes me that anyone got so riled up by his critical work, let alone so invested in what he has to say that they felt genuine delight when he revealed that he was in fact a piece of poo poo. So from that perspective I found it cringe inducing to read back. Its not like White has a major impact on our cultural discourse because the only reason I keep hearing about him is through people that get abnormally angry at him saying "I didn't think this movie was good".
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NTRabbit posted:It was in crisis when BvS shambled out and made no sense at all, JL just deepened it BvS made perfect sense though? 
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