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HenryEx posted:Why exactly doesn't the same thing apply to Limsan pirates contrasting historical reality to the modern-day romanticized image in pre-2.4 writing to you then? Because the MSQ and other quests involving Limsa Lominsa aren't about a subject where sexual violence is especially relevant compared to Ala Mhigo, an imperial colony where sexual violence is used as a means of control and humiliation. It's the same reason why I think it's fine for a game like Fallout: New Vegas to include it in its narrative: because the game is about a subject ("War is hell"/"War never changes") in which sexual violence has been an element throughout history.
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Thundarr posted:And IIRC it's implied pretty strongly that Gaius and Livia were an item but in a less than emotionally healthy way. Yeah, he was her adoptive father, but also her... y'know.
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Mar 2, 2018 01:32
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Thundarr posted:And IIRC it's implied pretty strongly that Gaius and Livia were an item but in a less than emotionally healthy way. And given how he's her surrogate/adopted father it makes me disregard everyone who tries to suggest that Gaius was the good Garlean (we all know that it's actually Regula).
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Mar 2, 2018 01:33
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ActionZero posted:In one cutscene after giving out orders, Gaius says to her, "My quarters, one hour." so I think at that point we go past implied and into outright stated. So far (I'm still chewing through 2.X ARR), I'd call Gaius the competent Garlean, not the good one. 2.X is making me want to burn Ul'dah down to the bedrock as it is - including a big bit from finishing the ARR Hildibrand storyline.
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Gaius' only good point is that he's not a genocidal maniac, but that hardly compensates for him being a patronizing rear end in a top hat. Aside from Cid, the friendliest true-blue Garlean you get is Nero, and your intro to him is the dude executing someone in cold blood.Cythereal posted:So far (I'm still chewing through 2.X ARR), I'd call Gaius the competent Garlean, not the good one. It's made abundantly clear throughout most of the MSQ and several class/job quests that all three of the city states have got serious problems: Ul'Dah's an ultracapitalist nightmare city, Gridania is controlled entirely by what amount to eldritch horrors that arbitrarily decide who lives and who dies, and Limsa Lominsa is running roughshod over its neighboring beast tribes and is barely being held together by Merlwyb through sheer force of will.
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Do we ever actually meet an elemental? They’re important to the plot, but I don’t think I’ve ever physically seen one.
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Mar 2, 2018 01:43
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Darth Walrus posted:Do we ever actually meet an elemental? They’re important to the plot, but I don’t think I’ve ever physically seen one. Unless there's something in the WHM quests post-50 I don't know about, the best you get is the Padjals speaking for them.
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Mar 2, 2018 01:44
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Vermain posted:It's made abundantly clear throughout most of the MSQ and several class/job quests that all three of the city states have got serious problems: Ul'Dah's an ultracapitalist nightmare city, Gridania is controlled entirely by what amount to eldritch horrors that arbitrarily decide who lives and who dies, and Limsa Lominsa is running roughshod over its neighboring beast tribes and is barely being held together by Merlwyb through sheer force of will. Well, Merlwyb also has the advantage of really competent and deeply loyal underlings like Mistbeard and the rogues' guild stabbing anyone who looks like they'll cause trouble.
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Vermain posted:Unless there's something in the WHM quests post-50 I don't know about, the best you get is the Padjals speaking for them.  The elementals don’t exist - they’re just a cover story for an ancient conspiracy of fantastically powerful Hyur mutants called Padjals.
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Vermain posted:Because the MSQ and other quests involving Limsa Lominsa aren't about a subject where sexual violence is especially relevant compared to Ala Mhigo, an imperial colony where sexual violence is used as a means of control and humiliation. Said citizens include several 'local beauties' who are helping him because, to paraphrase from memory: 'He's nice and when his soldier's weren't nice he punished them.' Sex happens. It's not always violent, nor is it always about control and humiliation. Vermain posted:Heavensward and Stormblood both treated the subject with an appropriate level of maturity. Cythereal posted:FF14's misogynistic undertones have bothered me for a while, but this is just gratuitous. That's when FF14 is gratuitous.
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Darth Walrus posted:Do we ever actually meet an elemental? They’re important to the plot, but I don’t think I’ve ever physically seen one. You don't in 2.0+ but I think they made some 1.0 appearances.
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Dalamud’s fall and bahamut loving things up weakened the elementals greatly. It’ll be some time before they actually have power enough to do anything meaningful again.
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:You don't in 2.0+ but I think they made some 1.0 appearances. Ascians too (in a non-human form), although who knows what's been retconned at this point.
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Mar 2, 2018 02:04
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EponymousMrYar posted:There is no universal 'appropriate level of maturity' because some people have absolutely 0 tolerance for this stuff. There will always be people who have no tolerance for a particular subject within a work of fiction, and that's fine. I don't think that automatically excludes discussing when and how including a particular subject in a work of fiction - especially traumatic subjects like sexual violence, suicide, and murder - can be done in a mature way.
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Mar 2, 2018 02:05
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Mr. Nice! posted:Dalamud’s fall and bahamut loving things up weakened the elementals greatly. It’ll be some time before they actually have power enough to do anything meaningful again. Playing through the game as a new player, this is specifically mentioned in a few CNJ and WHM quests. A lot of the quests you deal with in Gridania like the poachers are poo poo the elementals would normally deal with themselves, but they're too weak from the Calamity to do anything about it.
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IIRC it's not that the elementals deal with the poachers or anything. It's that they'll enact collective punishment if it isn't dealt with. Previous inhabitants were driven out when they started going against the wishes of the Elementals. Since the Calamity, it doesn't seem like that elementals are quite as capable as previously but the Gridanians certainly don't want to piss them off. Just because they won't or can't do anything now doesn't mean that'll continue.
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Argas posted:IIRC it's not that the elementals deal with the poachers or anything. It's that they'll enact collective punishment if it isn't dealt with. Previous inhabitants were driven out when they started going against the wishes of the Elementals. Since the Calamity, it doesn't seem like that elementals are quite as capable as previously but the Gridanians certainly don't want to piss them off. Just because they won't or can't do anything now doesn't mean that'll continue. Elementals used to be able to just instantly vaporize people. They’re barely strong enough right to manifest in corporeal form. Before they got jacked up they absolutely were able to and did hand out individual punishment.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Elementals used to be able to just instantly vaporize people. They’re barely strong enough right to manifest in corporeal form. Before they got jacked up they absolutely were able to and did hand out individual punishment. They usually didn't stop at individual.
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Cythereal posted:The quest I'm doing right now is giving me a long panty shot on a female NPC bad guy as she rants about how she had to steal and prostitute herself to survive, the camera positioned to look straight up her skirt as she sits on the ground. That sounds vaguely familiar. What's that from?
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:That sounds vaguely familiar. What's that from? 2.X during the Crystal Braves storyline when you confront the mole in the Immortal Flames after she escapes from prison, in north Thanalan. Her suit of "armor" includes a skirt, and in the cutscene after beating her where she's sitting on the ground the camera points straight up her skirt as she rants about how hard her life has been including selling her body to survive because of course she did.
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https://store.na.square-enix.com/FFXIVMarchSale 50% off complete edition. (As usual, one should never buy the game off Steam, because then it locks you into buying the expansions only through steam, which means no heavy discounts from GMG or Amazon or the like. Not even if you've got close to $500 in steam credit from selling shiny dota pixels, because once you stop and that's gone, you're still stuck buying expansions at full price or some poo poo like 10% off like me.)
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Mr. Nice! posted:Elementals used to be able to just instantly vaporize people. They’re barely strong enough right to manifest in corporeal form. Before they got jacked up they absolutely were able to and did hand out individual punishment. Yep, the elementals were quite happy to blow up anything that poked its head above ground in the Twelveswood for a long time. And they tried to blow up anyone below ground too, which is why the Deepcroft and Palace of the Dead are full of traps and sigils and such. IIRC, the only reason anyone can poke their heads in the Twelveswood is due to a combination of Calamity and the Padjal, for all intents and purposes, getting the Guardian Tree really drunk.
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Solo Wing Pixy posted:Yep, the elementals were quite happy to blow up anything that poked its head above ground in the Twelveswood for a long time. And they tried to blow up anyone below ground too, which is why the Deepcroft and Palace of the Dead are full of traps and sigils and such. Jeez, living there seems to be quite the gamble
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Vermain posted:Gaius' only good point is that he's not a genocidal maniac, but that hardly compensates for him being a patronizing rear end in a top hat. Aside from Cid, the friendliest true-blue Garlean you get is Nero, and your intro to him is the dude executing someone in cold blood. Excuse you. Lucia exists.  Cythereal posted:2.X during the Crystal Braves storyline when you confront the mole in the Immortal Flames after she escapes from prison, in north Thanalan. Her suit of "armor" includes a skirt, and in the cutscene after beating her where she's sitting on the ground the camera points straight up her skirt as she rants about how hard her life has been including selling her body to survive because of course she did. Oh right, "The Ivy".
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Cythereal posted:See also Ultros. I did not find "pervy octopus keeps propositioning women and making tentacle sex jokes" funny, I just found it gross and juvenile. You're not wrong but that was Ultros' schtick all the way back in FF6 and there isn't really much more to him beyond that and fighting in an arena, which they also carried over. Is this a reasonable argument against picking Ultros as your dumb joke character in the dumb joke questline? Ehhh I'd say yes. On the whole I think FF14 is usually fairly decent about how it approaches that kind of subject matter. I would generally prefer it didn't approach it at all, but since it does, there aren't really any instances that stand out to me as particularly egregious.
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I think ULtros gets a bit of a pass for being 1) introduced mainly for nostalgia bait, 2) pretty clearly isn't meant to be serious, and 3) consistently gets dunked on by anyone remotely heroic. Still gross, but more on the level of fat chocobo being kind of gross rather than "these female NPCs were sold into sexual slavery" gross.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:https://store.na.square-enix.com/FFXIVMarchSale Yeah I have the Steam version (because I got the game through being gifted ARR and HW through Steam) and definitely wouldn't recommend to anyone actually buying it through there.
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Finally got our Guardian clear on the 5th week of progression, bringing him down 3 seconds before EXTERMINATION SEQUENCE was set to go off. Seriously I'm so much happier with this fight than with Halicarnassus. That fight just consistently pissed me off, on Guardian wipes I just laugh and talk with the team on what to fix for next attempt.
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You know what's fun for Leveling Roulette? Getting Sohm Al and wiping eight times because the Healer runs into every AOE attack. 
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First, healers just needed to heal. Then you degenerates wanted them to heal and DPS. Now you want them to heal, DPS, and avoid AOEs? This is a dangerous slippery slope we're on!
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The Level 60 SAM quest. 
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:The Level 60 SAM quest. You have made your master proud 
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It's probably not super important since being optimal doesn't matter, but I've been leveling blm and it seems to have a lot of skills that don't get used much. I'm ~35 and I was curious if there was a writeup on how the rotation changes as you level, because I feel like I'm missing something. Rn I'm doing f3, f1, thunder (I don't know when to use this but I feel like as soon as I have 2 fire gauge ticks its good), f1 until I barely have enough to cast b3, b3, b1 until mana full, restart. AoE is f2 until barely enough to cast b2, b2 until full, repeat Jinh fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Mar 2, 2018 |
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Jinh posted:It's probably not super important since being optimal doesn't matter, but I've been leveling blm and it seems to have a lot of skills that don't get used much. I'm ~35 and I was curious if there was a writeup on how the rotation changes as you level, because I feel like I'm missing something. Ok, so right now for you, open with thunder, fire 3, fire until out of mp, blizzard 3 and repeat. You might need to pad our umbral with Blizz 1. It's the exact single target rotation up until 60 really. You are absolutely right in that you will never use some of your skills like Freeze. E: Don't forget for AoE use Thunder 2 in addition to Fire 2. Also I personally never used Blizz 2 but I don't really know how much that affected my dps A. Beaverhausen fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Mar 2, 2018 |
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Yeah, you want to only use Thunder while in Umbral Ice unless you have a Thundercloud proc. You have to spend some time in UI anyway to wait for MP and replacing a Blizzard with a Thunder is a bigger potency gain than replacing a Fire.
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Ohh OK I thought that umbral fire buff would make the thunder dot hit harder. And I forgot to mention thunder II in the aoe part, my bad. Knowing to use thunder spells first helps a bunch, and glad to hear I'm not that crazy when it comes to some stuff never being used. Thanks!
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MogStation doesn't have a shopping cart? This is such a pain... I joined a Japanese party to do Castrum Meridianum and it went tremendously well. No one ever suspected a thing.
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Just started this up again after not playing since launch. Is there any difference between the 3 NA goon guilds?
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TPT has a no spoilers in FC chat rule but otherwise it doesnt matter
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So I got to Heaven Sward officially, and I agree with that previous poster; burn Ul'dah to the ground. Also a poor showing from the WoL/Lord of Murder. Like I'd let some thugs arrest me. But I'd like to also add; let's burn down Ishgard, too. I'm pretty sure they started this ever-war with the Dravanians. I want to side with the dragons. Edit; also I hear that DRKs are the weakest tanks. I assume they are still fun and capable, just not Raid Optimal or some nonsense?
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