Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Karl Barks posted:

when CPUSA endorsed FDR (which they did btw) their membership skyrocketed. the soviets viewed FDR as an ally... guess they were wrong!

i don't think that narrative is quite accurate, but it's a good narrative

FDR also planned on basically letting the soviet have europe in return for the united states owning the pacific. To bad he kicked the bucket

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


Wheeee posted:

even Lenin on his death bed was all "and guys seriously Stalin is a loving rear end in a top hat and he's always up to some poo poo, don't let him take over you morans" so like its not really a secret that Stalin was a piece of poo poo and also that he rolled back a lot of cool and good things that the USSR had accomplished in the early days while being a paranoid alcoholic who killed people out of insane paranoia while dragging a backwards agrarian peasant nation into the 20th century in the greatest feat of human productivity and industrialization in history for the purpose of annihilating fascism with the happy side effect of creating the second greatest superpower to ever exist

actually, stalin was hot, and sexy, and my friend

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Yossarian-22 posted:

web dubois also supported japanese imperialism so i'm guessing the soviet invasion of manchuria broke his brain

Support of imperial Japan as a counter foil to white supremacy was a commonly held black American attitude.

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
But it was also pretty dumb

AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016
Supporting foreign reactionaries on the basis that they oppose western imperialism is a grand tradition in the western left.

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

AnEdgelord posted:

Supporting foreign reactionaries on the basis that they oppose western imperialism is a grand tradition in the western left.

as compared to the western political establishment, which supports foreign reactionaries on the basis that they support western imperialism.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
I love foreign reactionaries, love them

AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016

GoluboiOgon posted:

as compared to the western political establishment, which supports foreign reactionaries on the basis that they support western imperialism.

I probably should have just shortened it to "supporting foreign reactionaries is a grand western tradition"

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Dreddout posted:

I love foreign reactionaries, love them

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Support of imperial Japan as a counter foil to white supremacy was a commonly held black American attitude.

were they called Tora Tora Tories?

Communist Zombie
Nov 1, 2011

Venom Snake posted:

FDR also planned on basically letting the soviet have europe in return for the united states owning the pacific. To bad he kicked the bucket

Is there anywhere I can read more of this because Im very interested in what could have been.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/peternickeas/status/969267581751320576?s=21

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012




A hero imo

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

yeah but he left the socialism of ypg to get treated in capitalist amerikkka, which means that single payer healthcare just won't work

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

yeah but he left the socialism of ypg to get treated in capitalist amerikkka, which means that single payer healthcare just won't work

Drats, foiled again.

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016
Did anyone else see a header about an American walking into a US hospital with a bullet wound from the Syrian Civil War fighting ISIS and were surprised it wasn't about Kevin Dawes

Autism Sneaks fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Mar 2, 2018

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Capital Flight From Africa: How the Poor Finance the Rich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V68vFURsg4

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers

Yossarian-22 posted:

web dubois also supported japanese imperialism so i'm guessing the soviet invasion of manchuria broke his brain

weeb du bois

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

rudatron posted:

Actually the pyramids were built by a single great engineer, by consuming him to rush it in one turn

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

rudatron posted:

Actually the pyramids were built by a single great engineer, by consuming him to rush it in one turn

And that great engineer's name was *checks save file* Alexandre Gustave Eiffel

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Communist Zombie posted:

Is there anywhere I can read more of this because Im very interested in what could have been.

there isn't, because it isn't true

R. Guyovich fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Mar 2, 2018

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



Only the Four Policemen would be allowed to possess any weapons more powerful than a rifle.

god drat lol

A Spherical Sponge
Nov 28, 2010

Best Giraffe posted:

actually, stalin was hot, and sexy, and my friend

Well, stalin can be hot, and sexy, and also a piece of poo poo.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Imperial Japan had the whole Co Prosperity sphere rhetoric and were the only country that pushed a notion against racism on the League of Nations (shot down by the US in behalf of Dixiecrats and Britain in behalf of Australia lol) Why the gently caress wouldn't black people on the US not be sympathetic with them.

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



http://www.newsweek.com/california-police-asked-neo-nazis-identify-anti-racist-activists-802579

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Fanon is the most underappreciated thinker in the Western Left still, because he's too offensive to too many sensibilities. I'd recommend anybody should read The Damned of the Earth because it was the biggest factor in what cured me of liberalism.

The Wretched of the Earth and Discipline and Punish cured me :)

Kindest Forums User
Mar 25, 2008

Let me tell you about my opinion about Bernie Sanders and why Donald Trump is his true successor.

You cannot vote Hillary Clinton because she is worse than Trump.
Acab

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Plutonis posted:

Imperial Japan had the whole Co Prosperity sphere rhetoric and were the only country that pushed a notion against racism on the League of Nations (shot down by the US in behalf of Dixiecrats and Britain in behalf of Australia lol) Why the gently caress wouldn't black people on the US not be sympathetic with them.

Yeah. Also I think people forget that contemporaries who supported Stalin or the Japanese Empire didn't have the near century of hindsight we do.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Imagine you wake up one day in 1905 after living your whole life under the thumb of white supremacy, then you read the news and see that one of the most powerful modern fleets created by a white empire just got destroyed by a race of inscrutable yellow Asiatics. How could you not love them?

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

How could you not love them?

IDK they were fighting over who got the right to exploit China

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Dreddout posted:

IDK they were fighting over who got the right to exploit China

Details shmetails. It's a lot easier to abstract those sorts of issues when they come through a newspaper unlike today, where you can't fart without somebody getting it on their cell phone.

Serf
May 5, 2011


also if you're just some average person, you probably don't know or care about the whole "exploiting china" thing back then

Antwan3K
Mar 8, 2013
Ok but WEB Dubois was not some average person was he.

Still the Japanese were the good side in their war against Russia, which literally had the most reactionary regime in the world at the time

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Antwan3K posted:

Ok but WEB Dubois was not some average person was he.

Still the Japanese were the good side in their war against Russia, which literally had the most reactionary regime in the world at the time

There wasn't any "good" side, it was a pure imperial contest to see who would get the sway of influence over Manchuria and rights to Port Arthur. You could get invested in it if you thought of it as a race war though, which is the way a lot of Europeans and settler-colonialists interpreted it. So if you're the colonial subject of a racist settler state, it's impossible not to identify with the non-white power.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/royaltheartist/status/969700077383110657

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

Tsar Nicholas II posted:

I have heard that american cuisine is miserable. All the foods are prepared on a big scale and they have no individual flavor or taste. The trusts can manufacture iron or other industrial things on a big scale, but when it comes to the manufacture of food, there commercial methods fail. As far as i have heard, they have commercialized literature and art, resturaunts and homes. A man has to eat what the trust gives and has to be content with a home that another trust furnishes.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
Eh the Tsar can kiss my big fat rear end

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

If he got food working on a big scale that would have saved him a lotta grief!

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Plutonis posted:

If he got food working on a big scale that would have saved him a lotta grief!

Russian peasants got the finest artisanal gruel (sometimes).

Pener Kropoopkin fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Mar 3, 2018

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

HorrificExistence
Jun 25, 2017

by Athanatos

Karl Barks posted:

when CPUSA endorsed FDR (which they did btw) their membership skyrocketed. the soviets viewed FDR as an ally... guess they were wrong!

i don't think that narrative is quite accurate, but it's a good narrative

If you ever watch Stalinist films like Падение Берлина, you'll see that they thought of the Americans as the good allies. Especially compared to the British

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-hZam8dXHU&t=3838s

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5