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By your logic zapplez we should all stop wearing seat belts because they don't completely prevent injuries in car accidents
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Nor do they prevent car accidents at all wtf to hell with seat belts!
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zapplez posted:Can we not argue which of the particular gun control measures are the most worth while? No, we can't, because as the other posters who agree with you have made perfectly clear, they will sabotage all gun control then point to it after and go "See, it doesn't work, never compromise ever again!" I'm loving taking all of your guns, binch.
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zapplez posted:Try again. I know this is difficult, but your claim was about total disarmament; Venezuela does not have that. They have tried to get pretty close to that, but they're not actually there. As to "can we not argue which of the particular gun control measures are the most worth while", uuuuh who is stopping you from discussing which methods you find the best? That would actually be the preferred thing for you to do. Explain to us what regulations you think would be effective. It's pretty telling that you've instead spent all of this time moving goalposts and arguing against a teeny tiny minority of people who--earnestly or not--suggest a total gun ban. So go ahead, put yourself out there, let us know which gun control methods you think would be effective--bonus points if they're also political feasible.
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zapplez posted:Try again. quote:Artículo 5. Se considerarán armas de fuego distintas a las de guerra, las siguientes: Let me translate the important bits quote:Article 5. Firearms other than those of war, firearms, following: You are lying. zapplez posted:My last point was specifically about that gun control wont stop mass shootings. Because they go on with all weapon types. In order to stop more of those from happening we need to work on preventing vulnerable people from having access to guns and more access to mental health support. A guy like Cruz shouldn't have been able to buy a gun. The Sutherland Springs shooter legally wasn't allowed to, but some lovely clerks didn't do their job. I agree there is no point in arguing whether gun control reduces homicides, you are objectively wrong about it and I've posted the evidence a million times, which is why you're trying to change the subject by freaking out over shitposts about banning all guns.
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I think the best type of gun ban would be to ban any gun with scary visual features specifically to piss off posters in this thread who trot that line out. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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VitalSigns posted:Nope those all reference the same law, actually the same BBC article. Gunpolicy links to the actual 2013 law you're talking about. Which bans "weapons of war" and exempts the following from the definition I never argued that gun control doesn't normally lower gun homicide rates? I think it does. It works most of the time in first world countries, and generally doesn't in third world countries. I am FOR it. I think you are just arguing at me like I represent all gun nuts. Relax vincentpricesboner fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Mar 17, 2018 |
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VitalSigns posted:Nope those all reference the same law, actually the same BBC article. Gunpolicy links to the actual 2013 law you're talking about. Which bans "weapons of war" and exempts the following from the definition http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-29308509 This article is a year after your law. Read what they are trying to accomplish. It's not working well because its a loving impossible task. https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/237457-venezuela-suspender-porte-armas Two different presidents have tried to get it going but its impossible because the citizenry know they are hosed and need guns to defend themselves. They keep trying to confisicate them though.
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So your examples of places that banned all guns are places that didn't ban all guns?
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If Venezuela's law doesn't ban hunting rifles, why do I keep insisting that it does, checkmate liberals
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Either way the gun control has been working great there
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zapplez posted:Either way the gun control has been working great there I'm shocked that gun control doesn't solve systemic issues. Just shocked. Almost as shocking as how fast those goal posts move. Anyway, let's hear about your gun control proposals that you were whining about not being able to express cuz of too many "ban all guns" types. Cuz it sure seems like this has been one big diversion.
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Jaxyon posted:So your examples of places that banned all guns are places that didn't ban all guns? Syria "asked" people to disarm. They asked! That's like a total ban, right?
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I am a reasonable gun owner who would support reasonable gun control if random posters on internet forums wouldn't post "ban all guns", please take me seriously.
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countries that are extremely comparable to the us: venezuela, syria
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stone cold posted:countries that are extremely comparable to the us: give trump a chance
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stone cold posted:countries that are extremely comparable to the us: countries that are extremely comparable to the us: australia,finland,demark,switzerland,sweden, other rich countries with low crime rates both pre and post gun control but in all seriousness there are no countries to compare the usa to. its unique in its terrible abject poverty and open gang war zones, and then super rich whiteys all over.
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zapplez posted:countries that are extremely comparable to the us: that’s, a lie stone cold posted:despite having comparable crime rates to the OECD countries, the us has way more lethal violence if you’re going to be one of the tedious GUN people, could you at least be tedious in a fresh way
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You should compare what the poverty rates of USA and those other countries on that list
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zapplez posted:You should compare what the poverty rates of USA and those other countries on that list The US has a much lower poverty rate than many of the countries in the first plot, for instance Lithuania. But you arbitrarily decided we should only look at a few countries, hmm why could that be
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QuarkJets posted:The US has a much lower poverty rate than many of the countries in the first plot, for instance Lithuania. But you arbitrarily decided we should only look at a few countries, hmm why could that be GUN can only be failed
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The problem with guns is that with current laws, you can give no poo poo about license and grab them guns easily from a gun store. With minimal skills, you can then strap your gun and live on your GTA fantasies. Sure, gun ban cannot totally prevent homicide since there's still shitload of other tools to kill around but it at least will greatly restrict the access of guns to those who do not deserve it. Unlike what you might think, Switzerland has amazing gun control, only those who served in the military can own guns and they completely forbid concealed carry on the street.
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AdmiralNeltharion posted:The problem with guns is that with current laws, you can give no poo poo about license and grab them guns easily from a gun store. With minimal skills, you can then strap your gun and live on your GTA fantasies. Sure, gun ban cannot totally prevent homicide since there's still shitload of other tools to kill around but it at least will greatly restrict the access of guns to those who do not deserve it. Unlike what you might think, Switzerland has amazing gun control, only those who served in the military can own guns and they completely forbid concealed carry on the street. but I was told hot twentysomethings open carrying rifles was critical to Israel's security
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Why are guns the magical exception to the rule of law for gun advocates Like, laws making poo poo better have worked since Hammurabi, why wouldn't they work for guns?
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The problem with guns is they make it way too easy for one person to quickly kill a fuckload of other people. Also, humans are trash at judging risk and their own skill levels.
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I know exactly what my skill levels are and to be honest a school is about the smallest target I can hit at any appreciable distance.
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Unoriginal Name posted:Why are guns the magical exception to the rule of law for gun advocates BECAUSE MY HOBBY.
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![]() https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/975686522338004992 Predicting the inevitable response - "Well that was just one bad owner who didn't secure his guns, I secure my guns all the time and thus I assume that 99.9% of fellow gun owners also secure their guns despite statistics proving me wrong!"
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WampaLord posted:
I think the key word we need to look at here is "video game."
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If that tween girl had had her own self-defense firearm this never would have happened, thanks a lot liberals
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quote:Rep. Tom Suozzi made the remark to constituents at a town hall last week, saying that folks opposed to Trump might resort to the “Second Amendment.” ![]()
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Man, all of these right wing militias would surly rise up against Trump's tyranny. They must! That's what the second ammendment is supposed to set up! Oh, you mean, these same people are the ones cheering on Trump, voted him in and are bombing black people in austin?
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Crabtree posted:Man, all of these right wing militias would surly rise up against Trump's tyranny. They must! That's what the second ammendment is supposed to set up! Oh, you mean, these same people are the ones cheering on Trump, voted him in and are bombing black people in austin?
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WampaLord posted:
What in the gently caress???? "In Mississippi, there is no law that holds an adult responsible when children have access to weapons that are not secured. Cantrell said at this point it's just not clear whether there will be charges on the adults in the home, or on the 9-year-old alleged shooter."
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WampaLord posted:Predicting the inevitable response - "Well that was just one bad owner who didn't secure his guns, I secure my guns all the time and thus I assume that 99.9% of fellow gun owners also secure their guns despite statistics proving me wrong!" I assume that fully 50% of other gun owners are complete idiots, and the number might be much higher given that gun ownership skews along party lines. I see motherfuckers every day that can't even be bothered to wipe off more than 15% of the snow from their front windshield before they get on the highway; think someone like that knows what a proper gun safe is? gently caress no.
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Tim Raines IRL posted:I assume that fully 50% of other gun owners are complete idiots, and the number might be much higher given that gun ownership skews along party lines. I see motherfuckers every day that can't even be bothered to wipe off more than 15% of the snow from their front windshield before they get on the highway; think someone like that knows what a proper gun safe is? gently caress no. And yet you support their "right" to buy as many guns as they want?
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WampaLord posted:And yet you support their "right" to buy as many guns as they want? No? If it were up to me most of them wouldn't be allowed to have cars, either
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ah, another tick in the “GUN is just like car” column
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I am disappointed by the lack of enthusiasm for the Long Island armed #resistance.
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MixMastaTJ posted:It's possible I'm an idiot who doesn't understand the word endangerment but I would typically consider increasing the odds of someones death "endangerment." As we've gone over thousands of times now, owning a firearm increases the likelihood of someone in your household dying from a firearm related incident. MixMastaTJ posted:Hunting- killing animals. MixMastaTJ posted:This is insane. I never said anything about "creators intent" I'm talking about the item's singular use- killing things. If we found out that an unintendid use for guns was that they worked as a miracle toilet cleaner and people started buying guns to clean their toilets this would be a different matter. We'd be weighing your right to clean your toilet against the risk of gun death. As it stands we're weighing the right to risk gun death against the risk of gun death. VitalSigns posted:Literally any other country that has implemented gun control but hasn't banned 100% of guns which is pretty much every other Western democracy.
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