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DROP TABLE PHIZ
Feb 10, 2018

IF YOU AIN'T GETTIN LIT YOU BETTER STAY OUT BITCH
the new memoriam is pretty good but it seems to be mastered kinda quiet? had to crank my speakers a bit

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Dimebags Brain
Feb 18, 2013





Seasons of Mist just dropped Inquisition. Apparently the rumor mill is that Dagon got arrested for child porn about a decade ago? If it’s true then I wonder why it’s coming up now and how Inquisition has been able to like tour and leave the country?

il_cornuto
Oct 10, 2004

Yikes, Inquisition were the only kind of suspect band aside from Darkthrone I liked enough to overlook the more questionable aspects, but that would be too much. I'll wait for the rumour to be confirmed before deleting all my Inquisition albums though. I really loving love Inquisition so I hope it's not true.

(Yes I know I don't have to stop listening to them, it's my choice, we don't need to debate the ethics of listening to metal again)

Dyna Soar
Nov 30, 2006
then again if all you have is mp3's it's not a huge loss

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012

il_cornuto posted:

Yikes, Inquisition were the only kind of suspect band aside from Darkthrone I liked enough to overlook the more questionable aspects, but that would be too much. I'll wait for the rumour to be confirmed before deleting all my Inquisition albums though. I really loving love Inquisition so I hope it's not true.

(Yes I know I don't have to stop listening to them, it's my choice, we don't need to debate the ethics of listening to metal again)

If you search for "Weirbach, Jason" (Dagon's real name) here https://odysseyportal.courts.wa.gov/ODYPORTAL/ you do get a hit. But it's for one count of unlawful display of sexually explicit material and one count of obstructing a LEO.

Washington State posted:

(1) A person is guilty of unlawful display of sexually explicit material if he or she knowingly exhibits such material on a viewing screen so that the sexually explicit material is easily visible from a public thoroughfare, park or playground or from one or more family dwelling units.

(2) "Sexually explicit material" as that term is used in this section means any pictorial material displaying direct physical stimulation of unclothed genitals, masturbation, sodomy (i.e. bestiality or oral or anal intercourse), flagellation or torture in the context of a sexual relationship, or emphasizing the depiction of adult human genitals: PROVIDED HOWEVER, That works of art or of anthropological significance shall not be deemed to be within the foregoing definition.

Doesn't sound like child porn to me? Bear in mind that this could be another Jason Weirbach from Seattle, too. Personally, I don't have a horse in the race because I already stopped listening to Inquisition a while ago :smuggo:

Dyna Soar
Nov 30, 2006
idk about how legit this website is but he's listed here:

https://www.instantcheckmate.com/people/jason-weirbach/

could be a different jason weirbach sure, lol

il_cornuto
Oct 10, 2004

Dyna Soar posted:

then again if all you have is mp3's it's not a huge loss

They're actually FLAC so it's completely lossless.

Dyna Soar
Nov 30, 2006

il_cornuto posted:

They're actually FLAC so it's completely lossless.

i c what u did there

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012

Dyna Soar posted:

idk about how legit this website is but he's listed here:

https://www.instantcheckmate.com/people/jason-weirbach/

could be a different jason weirbach sure, lol

Welp there it is. "Malicious mischief" too, which is at least a pretty metal offense to have on your record (until I google it to find out what it is)

e: "intentional destroying or damaging of the personal property of another, from actual ill will or resentment towards its owner or possessor." nope, lame

02-6611-0142-1
Sep 30, 2004

BlackMetal subreddit:
Cool with ethnic cleansing
Not cool with molesting children

call me pleasantly surprised

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012

off-site scoff:

quote:

Lolita is technically child pornography. Not condoning this guy by any means, just saying. We'll never know.

Dyna Soar
Nov 30, 2006
like, lolita the book?

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
Wasn’t there some DSBM band a couple years back that was literally all about how awesome and evil pedophilia is? I assume that guy never got picked up by a label or toured the US or whatever but no idea how he didn’t get nailed to the wall for it.

il_cornuto
Oct 10, 2004

Well that's extremely awful then.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
I am also wondering how they’ve been able to tour internationally

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Henchman of Santa posted:

I am also wondering how they’ve been able to tour internationally

I’m imagining he makes heavy use of a crudely drawn home made passport on which he is represented by a stick figure labeled “Dagon”

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

il_cornuto posted:

All We Love We Leave Behind is a super fun record packed full of killer riffs and great drumming, every song is fantastic. It also sounds very different to Jane Doe, there's no way this would have been on an older Converge record for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncyUDtp_rJk

DEP's sound changed quite a bit throughout their career and song to song they change things up a lot, they split up without having put out a single bad album which is impressive. They also sound distinctly different from Converge IMO.

It sounds like you just don't like the kind of music they do, which is totally fine, but saying either band's body of work is samey is pretty weird to me and makes me think of the people who don't like metal who think it all sounds the same. If you're not into and it and it just sounds like chaotic riffing and yelling I guess that would explain it, but there's a lot more going on than that.

But basically, I love both bands because they make great music that I enjoy listening to and have obvious passion for and fun with what they're doing.
I actually really like both bands (Even if Greg stole my favorite chucks back in '03. Gimme my chucks back, you rear end! :rant:), but I'm not going to deny that they tend to use a lot of the same riffs / themes in their songs, like Dillinger basically using a lot of staccato in conjunction with a "diminished fifth power chord" (I'm fairly certain that's not the technical name, but it's root-diminished fifth-octave intervals) every time they want to do the Under The Running Board / Calculating Infinity riff-a-thon. Converge employs a lot of Legato / Pizzicato along with fast-paced / galloping palm-muted chugging in most of their fast-tempo songs, like Dark Horse and the above-shown Sadness Comes Home.

Like sure, the high-energy, passionate displays both bands put on display both in their recorded output and live shows pump the gently caress out of you (saw Dillinger like at least 10 times, and Converge "only" 3), but let's not pretend that, aside from their more tempered songs, the songs that are their calling cards are not fairly samey.

il_cornuto
Oct 10, 2004

Well, I don't know then, but I still disagree. I mean yeah, they both have a core sound that they iterate on, but IMO there is still a ton of variety and progression to their sound, I don't find them samey at all. I also don't think there's anything intrinsically wrong with being "samey" - Bolt Thrower kept pretty much the same sound throughout their career but it's still all awesome - so I'm not seeing it as a criticism, I just don't personally think it applies to Converge or DEP.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
No, there's nothing wrong with being samey. Hell, Every Time I Die is no better than DEP and Converge as far as samey song-structures go, and they're my favorite "gently caress on the floor and break poo poo" metal band (yes, even more than Tankard!).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqQo2RQMWEM

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



Vogg's statement after getting out of jail for the alleged rape of a girl on their bus.

quote:

We are innocent. We are free. We are back home. And we are ready to return with the band.

The last few months were one of the most terrible and irrational times in our lives.

Jail is a horrible place. 96 days in jail and almost a month outside the jail where we dealing with fear, unbelievable stress, depression, and even violence. It was a really hard time - especially for our families.

Being in jail in another country with charges that became a criminal case is an extreme experience. We do not wish this on anyone. It caused ourselves and our families many stressful days and sleepless nights. The cancelled tour meant loss of the income we use to support ourselves and our families, but worst of all, it cost us our professional reputation in a community we have loved and been members of all of our lives.

Unfortunately, while we were jailed, we could not communicate with the outside world, leaving our fans and our metal community to read many news stories and posts on social media that contained inaccurate information because there were no direct statements from us, the band, the ones in the middle of all of this. We ourselves could not report on how the situation was unfolding. This led people who were so shocked by the news to make untrue narrations. Without walking our experience with us, they felt obligated to comment on our case and blamed us, without even knowing the facts that said something opposite. They came to a very fast opinion about us in a very public way.

In this internet age, it is really easy to ruin someone, their life, their family, their career. Some media and people just jumped on a topic and made their own inconsistent storytelling, taking one piece of information and creating a story they wanted to tell about us around it.

For those who do not know yet: Our case was dropped. All charges against all members were dropped.

Words hurt. Words matter. Truth matters.

Does sexual harassment happen and do crimes against women exist? Yes, and it is horrible.

Do false accusations happen? Yes, this really happens. And it is also horrible.

Many people are falsely accused everyday and the metal community is not immune. Unfortunately, it happened to us. People with their own motivations who falsely accuse someone don't seem to understand they can ruin somebody's life without facing any public consequences themselves. A false accusation can change a life in one moment. One day, everything is normal. Then the next day, you wake up in jail with a police record. You are marked, stigmatized while waiting to see how things unfold, even if the charges are not true. And then, when it’s all over, it is not a "hot topic" on the internet anymore. Not many people spend time on social media to spread the truth, not many people even care what the truth was. It is hard to feel relief when this happens.

We cannot and we will never accept someone else's narration about who we are. That is why we have chosen to return with the band. We know who we are and we can hold our heads and our music high with that knowledge.

I want to thank all of you - families, friends, other bands, and our amazing fans - for your belief in us and your support throughout a horrible situation. Our incredible lawyers, Steve Graham, Karren Lindholdt, Chris Bugbee, Jeffry Finner, and all the teams who stood by us - our management and our label. It's priceless to see that we have so many people who were, are, and will be, with us. You know who you are.

I also want to thank Mr. Dominik Tarczynski from the Polish Parliament who visited us in Spokane and checked if our human rights were protected during the whole process, for supporting our families from the beginning. It means a lot more than words can express.

There will be more time in the future to talk about the path of our return, but now the most important thing for us is to get back to our lives, to return to the people and places and things that had been taken from us, to return to what became even more precious to us while we were away.

We are eager to get our lives back and we are grateful for the opportunity.

We are really sorry we were forced to cancel tours and festivals, but we will work very hard to bring all plans back to meet with all of you again, our community.

"From Pain To Strength" is still a valid motto.

Thank you, everyone, for your patience.

Vogg

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
Oh dear
https://twitter.com/PopeRichard/status/977190372525985793?s=19

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
http://thehardtimes.net/culture/limits-casual-friday-policy-tested-goatwhore-shirt/

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord

Hell yeah I had that same shirt

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



Dagon posted this to the Inquisition facebook page:

"To all fans, supporters and close ones, I would like to clarify some horrific misinformation generated by the webzine Metalsuck of a personal matter f mine in 2007: First you must take into account, everything Metalsucks published is taken from court documents that state charges and accusations rather than what was proven or admitted in 2007. Second, I never plead guilty to the charges and the original charges were dropped after the courts examined all evidence. I am not a sex offender, and I was absolutely innocent of all charges. The plea bargain was something the prosecutor insisted on and for the defense was the best option to end a lengthy legal process. Also, the background check webpage circulating is not entirely correct, it is definitely not showing what the Police background check would show you.

With my fullest respect to you, please read my statement Metalsucks had told me they would publish:

I made a very unwise choice of actions in 2007 which got me into some legal problems. After the investigation was conducted, a year and a half later after the initial charges, the original charges brought against me were dropped and a plea deal was presented to me. The investigation determined I did not have anything that fell under the original charge.

The police report suggested I had deleted and obstructed evidence which I deny to have done, however the obstruction charge was still part of the plea deal as was the other charge mentioned in this article. That second charge is related to viewing pornography in a public area, and again was taken as part of the plea deal. To be clear, I have no sex crimes, this did not involve any other person other than myself and I have moved forward since 2009 while having complied with all aspects of the law.

I wish to remain focused on my music and my absolute dedication to the art of Black Metal. Despite any personal views and judgements the followers and supporters of our music may have, I am a somewhat private person and have never cared for destructive sensationalism and keeping what I feel is private, private.

I hope my level of transparency is understood and I thank you, as always for having been so supportive of Inquisition.

With much respect to you,
Dagon"

CRIP EATIN BREAD
Jun 24, 2002

Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T



Soiled Meat

... im in the office wearing a gruesome shirt right now

il_cornuto
Oct 10, 2004

Kvlt! posted:

Dagon posted this to the Inquisition facebook page:

I want to believe, but that's probably just because of how much I like Inquisition. Some more information on the "unwise course of actions" would help - I do respect musicians right to privacy but I think when you're being accused of viewing child porn it's probably a good idea to defend yourself as fully as possible.


Nazi's, bigots, paedophiles, is anyone safe from the SJW menace?

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
Metal Thread #19862018 - horrific misinformation generated by the webzine Metalsuck

Fenrir
Apr 26, 2005

I found my kendo stick, bitch!

Lipstick Apathy
So uh, melodeath chat earlier had several mentions of Winter's Gate, to which I say:

:yeah:

Seriously, good poo poo. Kinda surprised it managed to slip under my radar for over a year. Between this and how good Amon Amarth's newest turned out I might have to start paying attention to melodeath bands again.

E: and that Black Dahlia Murder record last year. Still play that at least every week or two.

Fenrir fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Mar 23, 2018

Nazzadan
Jun 22, 2016



The newest TBDM didn't click with me at all. I felt like something was wrong with me and I was missing something, everyone was telling me it's their best since Nocturnal or even their best overall and I thought it was at most as good as Miasma, their least favorite of mine. Maybe I need to spin it again months later with fresh ears

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Nazzadan posted:

The newest TBDM didn't click with me at all. I felt like something was wrong with me and I was missing something, everyone was telling me it's their best since Nocturnal or even their best overall and I thought it was at most as good as Miasma, their least favorite of mine. Maybe I need to spin it again months later with fresh ears
It's quick and snappy. "Nightbringers" is such a mood-maker. :dance:

Incidentally, last year they came out to Monterrey (México) with their "We'll play Nocturnal in its entirety plus like 10 more songs!" and they absolutely slayed. Revocation was also really good. Funnest show I've been at in a while.

Varg
Jan 13, 2007

A friendly face.

Nazzadan posted:

The newest TBDM didn't click with me at all. I felt like something was wrong with me and I was missing something, everyone was telling me it's their best since Nocturnal or even their best overall and I thought it was at most as good as Miasma, their least favorite of mine. Maybe I need to spin it again months later with fresh ears

they're just a very overhyped mediocre band

joem83
Oct 4, 2007

Sometimes, you have to shake it thrice.

Fenrir posted:

So uh, melodeath chat earlier had several mentions of Winter's Gate, to which I say:

:yeah:

Seriously, good poo poo. Kinda surprised it managed to slip under my radar for over a year. Between this and how good Amon Amarth's newest turned out I might have to start paying attention to melodeath bands again.

E: and that Black Dahlia Murder record last year. Still play that at least every week or two.

I went back and re-listened to Winter's Gate a few times too, because of the recent chat. I wasn't going to go see them in June, but I think my mind has been changed.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Varg posted:

they're just a very overhyped mediocre band

I respect them because they work their asses off and don’t take themselves ultra seriously but yeah. Their best tracks are like 7/10 worthy. I want to like them more because they’re one of the only notable metal bands to emerge from Michigan (Brian Eschbach went to my high school) but the music just isn’t that good.

Detective Thompson
Nov 9, 2007

Sammy Davis Jr. Jr. is also in repose.
Anyone know of good venues for metal shows in Olympia, Wa? I'll be going there for about a week in the beginning of April and if I could catch a show or two while I was there, that'd be cool. I know Seattle isn't that far, but I'm not sure if I'll have reliable transportation to get there outside of being picked up and dropped off at the airport.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Detective Thompson posted:

Anyone know of good venues for metal shows in Olympia, Wa? I'll be going there for about a week in the beginning of April and if I could catch a show or two while I was there, that'd be cool. I know Seattle isn't that far, but I'm not sure if I'll have reliable transportation to get there outside of being picked up and dropped off at the airport.
poo poo, I don't know. If it was Seattle off the top of my head, I could just start off with El Corazón and go from there, but outside of Oly's and the Capitol, I'm kinda rusty wrt Olympia.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
Tonight, can't fuckin wait

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKVNJCavu7w

Varg
Jan 13, 2007

A friendly face.


was gonna go see them last night in Philly but they had to cancel cause of weather :( enjoy

AARP LARPer
Feb 19, 2005

THE DARK SIDE OF SCIENCE BREEDS A WEAPON OF WAR

Buglord
Some of you dudes are walking metal encyclopedias, so I ask you...whatever happened to Darkane? They still kicking around or what?

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Dadbod Apocalypse posted:

Some of you dudes are walking metal encyclopedias, so I ask you...whatever happened to Darkane? They still kicking around or what?
They're like pretty much every other band that doesn't make "a living" off it and have other jobs. I don't know about the rest, but Peter (the drummer), like many other Metal guys, is a fairly respected school teacher.

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AARP LARPer
Feb 19, 2005

THE DARK SIDE OF SCIENCE BREEDS A WEAPON OF WAR

Buglord
Any idea if they plan on making some new music? It's been a while and I've always enjoyed them.

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