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The body horror stuff with the Borg in FC works really well and then Voyager made it into something you can just easily fix.
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FlamingLiberal posted:The body horror stuff with the Borg in FC works really well and then Voyager made it into something you can just easily fix. Definitely one of the best parts. https://i.imgur.com/bCnb3lJ.gifv
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Mar 29, 2018 14:18
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Zesty posted:In my ideal timeline, Generations never existed and they blew up the Enterprise-D in First Contact after all the same plot points of "THIS FAR NO FURTHER" "Picard, blow up the drat ship!"
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Mar 29, 2018 14:40
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Real talk though, Shakaar was being a real rear end in a top hat. Sure the Kai was being an rear end in a top hat too. But trying to get Bajoran exports going and generating a real economy seem like a higher priority for those reclamators than his 30 person farm. She was wrong and bad and should’ve been ousted due to a lot of other bullshit she was pulling. That one aspect though made zero sense.
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Mar 29, 2018 14:51
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FlamingLiberal posted:The body horror stuff with the Borg in FC works really well and then Voyager made it into something you can just easily fix. Frakes did a good job of making the ship feel like it was working against the crew too. There is a scene in the theatrical cut where the security team is trying to run from the borg, open a dark room and there is a beat and you see one laser, and then another laser, and then another until they realize they ran into a room of assimilated crewmen and their fate is sealed. super creepy.
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Mar 29, 2018 14:57
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Mooseontheloose posted:Frakes did a good job of making the ship feel like it was working against the crew too. There is a scene in the theatrical cut where the security team is trying to run from the borg, open a dark room and there is a beat and you see one laser, and then another laser, and then another until they realize they ran into a room of assimilated crewmen and their fate is sealed. super creepy. I also like the one where Picard has to kill an assimilated crew-woman before she loses her free will. I think there is also another one where you see freshly assimilated crew members having the implants put on and it’s so creepy. Voyager (specifically Unimatrix Zero) trivializes the whole thing by the Doctor being able to prevent their full assimilation and then just undo all of the implants with no real effects.
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Mar 29, 2018 15:09
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Minidust posted:Yeah like I understand the practical real-world demands that made them blow up the D in Generations, but it's a shame it wasn't around in First Contact. FC gets so intimate with this ship that we barely know. Seeing a bunch of familiar setpieces get transformed would've had more impact. Walking in spacesuits on the D's hull would have been so much cooler! Don't forget that after Generations, an -E label was affixed to the saucer to replace the -D, just in case they decided not to go with a new design. And then who comes around but JOHN loving EAVES
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Mar 29, 2018 15:18
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Design concerns notwithstanding... somewhere there's a balance between TMP's 10-minute starship porn scenes and FC's "hey new ship check it ou-CAPTAIN'S LOG"*cuts to interior* 
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Mar 29, 2018 15:30
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Epicurius posted:TNG- "This is the holodeck. All of your dreams made real! We put on realistic Shakespeare plays! And It let's us play characters in adaptations of 19th century literature! We use it to consult with great scientific and artistic minds throughout history to help educate and inspire us, to solve our problems and help improve ourselves as people." TNG didn't show the holodecks used for sex much because most of the characters were perfectly capable of getting laid with other people.  (The exception being Geordi, who Wesley calls out with "at least I don't have to find my dates on the holodeck!" and to which Geordi had no comeback.)
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Mar 29, 2018 16:39
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Wesley just hid it better.
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Mar 29, 2018 16:55
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:(The exception being Geordi, who Wesley calls out with "at least I don't have to find my dates on the holodeck!" and to which Geordi had no comeback.) Doesn't Geordi get ready to deck him until Riker walks in?
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Mar 29, 2018 17:14
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:TNG didn't show the holodecks used for sex much because most of the characters were perfectly capable of getting laid with other people. And Barclay.
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Mar 29, 2018 17:17
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:(The exception being Geordi, who Wesley calls out with "at least I don't have to find my dates on the holodeck!" and to which Geordi had no comeback.) The one female he actually wanted to ask out he hosed it up anyway by cyber loving her in the holodeck and she walked in on it
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Mar 29, 2018 17:17
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Windows 98 posted:The one female he actually wanted to ask out he hosed it up anyway by cyber loving her in the holodeck and she walked in on it He also had that one real date with the random crewmember but he still took her to the holodeck. That’s the one where she gave him an “I don’t like you in that way” and he gets all pissy at the holo-violinist.
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Mar 29, 2018 17:35
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Big Mean Jerk posted:He also had that one real date with the random crewmember but he still took her to the holodeck. That’s the one where she gave him an “I don’t like you in that way” and he gets all pissy at the holo-violinist. She was the three titted hooker from Total Recall!
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Mar 29, 2018 18:27
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Timby posted:Doesn't Geordi get ready to deck him until Riker walks in? Yes but if I remember correctly, the whole crew was under the influence of Sarek's telepathic disease that made everyone's tempers short.
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Mar 29, 2018 19:03
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I understand the arguments for using the D in First Contact but the sets looked like hot nineties garbage by then and all of the low-light scenes would have been even worse.
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Mar 29, 2018 19:07
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Especially because Voyager had cannibalized the sets by then.
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Mar 29, 2018 19:09
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marktheando posted:She was the three titted hooker from Total Recall! No, that was a different person. Ensign Gomez was considered as a recurring character that Geordi could romance, but they dropped her after like two episodes in season 2. Geordi's holodeck date was season 3 (Booby Trap). Timby posted:Doesn't Geordi get ready to deck him until Riker walks in? They were definitely in each other's faces and Riker said later it looked like they were about to start throwing punches. Given the riot that breaks out later in Ten-Forward, I could see it having gone that far if Riker hadn't walked in. I mean, the real unintentional comedy there is that, as I recall, Riker walked in sometime between "...what did you just say?" and "You heard me!" i.e. Wesley is being incredibly hostile and insubordinate to a senior officer. Riker asks what's going on, and Wesley just storms out with "may i be excused" without waiting for a response. Geordi could nail Wesley's nuts to the wall and Riker would have to back him up in that moment. But he doesn't. He'd have to put it on the record that Wesley Crusher was antsy to get off work to go on a date, and when Geordi tried telling Wesley his date was out of his league, Wesley burned him hard.
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Mar 29, 2018 19:13
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I want to believe that Wesley spent years imprisoned during the run of the show. Just too dang precocious!
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Mar 29, 2018 19:28
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:No, that was a different person. Ensign Gomez was considered as a recurring character that Geordi could romance, but they dropped her after like two episodes in season 2. Geordi's holodeck date was season 3 (Booby Trap). Ah right. So Geordi didn’t even get to be rejected by Gomez, sounds about right. What’s the best Geordi episode? The one where the Romulans Manchurian Candidate him? Can’t immediately think of a better one.
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Mar 29, 2018 19:30
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Zurui posted:I understand the arguments for using the D in First Contact but the sets looked like hot nineties garbage by then and all of the low-light scenes would have been even worse. not sure the sets actually got better 
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Mar 29, 2018 19:33
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marktheando posted:Ah right. So Geordi didn’t even get to be rejected by Gomez, sounds about right. Nah, it'd probably be more like the one where he turns into an alien where his veins glow under darklights.
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Mar 29, 2018 19:35
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Nah, it'd probably be more like the one where he turns into an alien where his veins glow under darklights. Ah of course. The holodeck image analysis scene was really cool.
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Mar 29, 2018 19:37
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marktheando posted:Ah right. So Geordi didn’t even get to be rejected by Gomez, sounds about right. The one where they tap into his VISOR and beam the results onto the bridge viewer. "What's that weird funny-looking blob?" "That's Commander Riker, sir!  "
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Mar 29, 2018 19:48
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so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
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Zurui posted:I understand the arguments for using the D in First Contact but the sets looked like hot nineties garbage by then and all of the low-light scenes would have been even worse. they could have given the ship a reeeeeeeeeeefiiiiiiiiiiiit
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Mar 29, 2018 20:55
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:not sure the sets actually got better Don't forget Tactical becoming a Ouija board. 
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Mar 29, 2018 21:20
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Timby posted:Don't forget Tactical becoming a Ouija board. Or the fuckin' "manual steering column", brought to you by Thrustmaster!  I'm okay with using a stick to drive the Enterprise, but they did it in the goofiest way possible, and it was pretty obviously "we sent an intern to grab a joystick from Incredible Universe." (fake edit: I looked it up and I guess it was actually a Gravis Blackhawk joystick... but I think "brought to you by Thrustmaster!" sounds funnier )
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Mar 29, 2018 21:56
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Riker should really upgrade to the Sidewinder with force feedback, like all the other cool kids in 1998 
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Mar 29, 2018 21:58
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:(fake edit: I looked it up and I guess it was actually a Gravis Blackhawk joystick... but I think "brought to you by Thrustmaster!" sounds funnier You know Riker fancied himself a thrustmaster. 
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Using a The Enterprise E, however, doesn't turn on a dime. It's as nimble as a battleship; as agile as a "12"-year-old Chinese female gymnast who has King Kong on her back, who has Godzilla on his back. It makes no sense. It is so unrealistic and laughable that by comparison, having an old-fashioned wooden helm (a ship's wheel) pop up from the floor would be less ridiculous. And I'd love to see a helm pop up from the floor, smoothly rising so that the pegs can meet Riker's hands as a white sailor's hat is lowered to his head and a pipe is inserted into his mouth. When everything snaps into place, there's a "TOOT TOOT!" alert that warns the helmsman that control has been shifted to manual.
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Mar 29, 2018 22:21
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Or the fuckin' "manual steering column", brought to you by Thrustmaster! US submarines are using Xbox controllers to control their periscopes
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Mar 29, 2018 22:24
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Riker should really upgrade to the Sidewinder with force feedback, like all the other cool kids in 1998 gently caress yeah that Force Feedback Pro joystick was killer Timby posted:You know Riker fancied himself a thrustmaster. hahahaha yeaaahhhhhhhh 
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Mar 29, 2018 22:56
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I remember getting a huge kick () out of playing Independence War with the force feedback joystick. Firing guns gave little pulses, taking hits on the shields was a nice little thump, but man when you took a hit straight to the hull that fucker kicked! The variable resistance on the stick was also a neat touch.
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I loved those joysticks but they broke so easily. I think I went through three of them. I also used them for everything, including Half-Life and Shadows of the Empire, and that’s why I’m a broken inverted axis player today.
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I know it would be an unfilmable bloated mess, but I would have liked to see a First Contact that included some of the DS9 cast. I get that the point of The Emissary is that Sisko is no longer stuck in his memory and has started to move on, but I still would have liked him and Picard to really express to each other what they lost and why they both need to stop The Borg at any cost. The only time we get to see them interact that I can recall is when Picard still outranks Sisko and is basically telling him to get his poo poo together or retire so they can get someone to do this job, and to have them meet on equal footing and both have catharsis and come to understand each other would have been fun to watch. A bonus of this is that instead of Nemesis, we might have gotten a full movie with the DS9 cast. 
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Mar 29, 2018 23:16
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My fantasy best TNG film would have been a combination between Generations and First Contact. The plot already includes time travel - it would have been pretty easy to contrive Kirk into the story. Then you could have had the emotional hit of the Borg slowly converting the Enterprise D, Kirk as the one to talk down Picard, and an ending that lets Kirk go out the way he deserved - riding the Enterprise into destruction.
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The Noodle Incident posted:I know it would be an unfilmable bloated mess, but I would have liked to see a First Contact that included some of the DS9 cast. I get that the point of The Emissary is that Sisko is no longer stuck in his memory and has started to move on, but I still would have liked him and Picard to really express to each other what they lost and why they both need to stop The Borg at any cost. The only time we get to see them interact that I can recall is when Picard still outranks Sisko and is basically telling him to get his poo poo together or retire so they can get someone to do this job, and to have them meet on equal footing and both have catharsis and come to understand each other would have been fun to watch. A bonus of this is that instead of Nemesis, we might have gotten a full movie with the DS9 cast. I too can hear Sisko shouting "Jean-Luc, blow up the drat ship!" in my head clear as day.
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Mar 29, 2018 23:36
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Kazinsal posted:I too can hear Sisko shouting "Jean-Luc, blow up the drat ship!" in my head clear as day. With a "B" in "blow" that bursts your eardrums
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tarlibone posted:It is so unrealistic and laughable that by comparison, having an old-fashioned wooden helm (a ship's wheel) pop up from the floor would be less ridiculous. 
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