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Grey Hunter posted:I would trade a destroyer every day for that kind of kill rate! Okay but what are you going to do for the other 1139 days of the war?
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wedgekree posted:So how long will the resupply/refuel take? Also sorry on the lost DD. If they're grogging properly it will depend on how many boats are being providers, the quality of the crews and the weather in the hex at the time. Transfering fuel in rough sea is probably an absolute bastard, if not impossible.
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punched my v-card at camp posted:The Soviets are probably the real winners of all of this, unless the Japanese army in this timeline has the strength to hold them off a lot longer. I'm imagining they end up occupying all of Korea and get a zone in Japan. I don't think they have the fleet for any zone in Japan, and even if they grabbed enough for a tiny beachhead while the US did all the work it would not be worth pissing off Uncle Sam. Ultimately Japan will surrender to America as the Home Isles are being flattened, not over losing colonial possessions, so it's hard for me to see America not getting Japan exclusively (especially to compensate for any large Soviet zone in Asia), and they might even try to demand some influence in Korea and China if there are any Japanese forces left to turn over their bases to whatever the Americans can scrape together of impromptu Nationalist militias. (I hope Chiang wins, I'd rather whatever fate crazy fate he would have had in store for us than Mao and his cult, the GLF and CR.) It's part of why I'm so interested in and keep asking if Grey will fight on after game victory, will Korea and China fall to the Russians (before the Allies combined get enough points to force Japan to surrender) or will Japan cave to America's bomber fleet and nukes first by folding on points before Soviet domination of the Korean Peninsula and China is a fait accompli? Is it as impossible as people say for Grey to hold out against the Russian military, even if he clears out Chongqing? Probably. But it'd be nice to see him try. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Mar 29, 2018 |
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   Boom!  I continue to be disappointed in my air force.  They just seem good for dying at the moment.   Carriers buzz the hero force. They survive this wave without loss.  Somehow they make it through the second wave as well!  The guns of Wake are killing them! We get the reports that the enemy retires after this!   Those were two nerve-wracking strikes!
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Mar 29, 2018 18:06
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How many days until rescue squad arrives?
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Tsk tsk... this is just pathetic, dead in the water and they still can't hit them. Do the ships still get to evade, or was that just the 2 Zeroes and the flak screen holding off 34 planes?
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Mar 29, 2018 18:16
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I don't see the Home Islands being occupied in this timeline, even if nukes get in range of them: Japanese surrender sure, but not unconditional witg occupation.
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Mar 29, 2018 18:18
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America could just sit off the coast and nuke city after city. They'd certainly be angry enough to keep doing it for a while. Provided they get within proper range in time.
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RA Rx posted:Tsk tsk... this is just pathetic, dead in the water and they still can't hit them. Do the ships still get to evade, or was that just the 2 Zeroes and the flak screen holding off 34 planes? In a rare concession to gameplay over realism, the game allows ships to move even when out of fuel. The TF can only move one hex per turn but the ships probably don’t count as dead in the water. I think they will start to rack up damage just from being out of fuel though.
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Mar 29, 2018 18:41
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Ima die if the refuel leaves two TFs unable to get back to base.
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Months ago after Grey had destroyed a particular HQ unit in China someone pointed out that he had managed to kill a similar one a few weeks before, leading to the conclusion that in this timeline both Chiang and Mao are both dead. Considering that Grey has fully occupied all of Yunnan, Southern China, and most of Northwestern China it's also a fair assumption that the leaders of the various warlord cliques are dead as well. If the Soviets don't take a significant chunk of China by the time the war is over then the ensuing anarchy will make the Russian Civil War look like a tea party.
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Imagine being Dewey in ‘45 just sworn in. You walk into your Oval Office and see the neat handwritten note from FDR apologizing for killing the entire USMC three times over oh and by the way, we’re gunna have a superweapon online in a few months that can vaporize cities. Just get you an airfield within b29 range of the Japanese mainland and none of these jarheads will have died in vain.
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habeasdorkus posted:Anyone know what Captain Ban's aggression trait is? I think the Japanese post-war narrative of their defeat would be very interesting. The A-bomb could be spun as some sort of 'cheat' on the American's part, honorable defeat narrative, etc.
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RA Rx posted:Tsk tsk... this is just pathetic, dead in the water and they still can't hit them. Do the ships still get to evade, or was that just the 2 Zeroes and the flak screen holding off 34 planes? Bold Robot posted:In a rare concession to gameplay over realism, the game allows ships to move even when out of fuel. The TF can only move one hex per turn but the ships probably don’t count as dead in the water. I think they will start to rack up damage just from being out of fuel though. Notably all three ships shown being targeted still had fuel in the previous update, so it might not matter whether the game takes it into account or not in this instance.
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RA Rx posted:I don't think they have the fleet for any zone in Japan, and even if they grabbed enough for a tiny beachhead while the US did all the work it would not be worth pissing off Uncle Sam. Ultimately Japan will surrender to America as the Home Isles are being flattened, not over losing colonial possessions, so it's hard for me to see America not getting Japan exclusively (especially to compensate for any large Soviet zone in Asia), and they might even try to demand some influence in Korea and China if there are any Japanese forces left to turn over their bases to whatever the Americans can scrape together of impromptu Nationalist militias. I think you're probably right re: an occupation zone, although I think it'll ultimately depend on how long the war lasts after Soviet intervention and how costly their campaign in China ends up being. Stalin had somewhat wanted to administer the occupation of Hokkaido, but it was a tough sell without possessing it at the war's end or having been in the war longer than a week. A more meaningful soviet contribution changes the situation. This also opens the can of worms of what the American foreign policy outlook is after the war. It does make intuitive sense that we'd have President Dewey in this timeline, but I wonder how strong the Taft wing of the party would be.
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Pershing posted:I think the Japanese post-war narrative of their defeat would be very interesting. The A-bomb could be spun as some sort of 'cheat' on the American's part, honorable defeat narrative, etc. Some type of stab in the back, say.
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Bold Robot posted:In a rare concession to gameplay over realism, the game allows ships to move even when out of fuel. The TF can only move one hex per turn but the ships probably don’t count as dead in the water. I think they will start to rack up damage just from being out of fuel though. I am deeply unimpressed at this lack of realistic modeling. Running out of fuel should make you a sitting duck.
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Mar 29, 2018 21:18
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A sitting duck extremely susceptible to weather damage.
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habeasdorkus posted:I am deeply unimpressed at this lack of realistic modeling. Running out of fuel should make you a sitting duck. Nonsense, the ships' crews are simply using the reserve of gigantic oars to paddle the ships forward
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So theoretically how long will the at-sea refueling take once the second TF arrives? Or will the fuel be split as soon as they merge?
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wedgekree posted:So theoretically how long will the at-sea refueling take once the second TF arrives? Or will the fuel be split as soon as they merge? From memory, more or less instantly, but I think it removes some movement points so you get less movement that turn.
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pthighs posted:From memory, more or less instantly, but I think it removes some movement points so you get less movement that turn. So he has one day once the TF's meet where they refuel, then however long while they're in range? Going to be a messy few days unless the Allied carriers wander..
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Separate thing I'm impressed over in this thread - shore batteries are really, really messy. I did not know they had anywhere near this level of effectiveness.
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Can the player do something to slightly influence DD production the way he can with bigger ships and planes?
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Speaking of hero raider fleet, Grey, if there is such a way to give Captain Ban a promotion, I would have argued he's earned it.frankenfreak posted:Wow, what a time to catch up to the thread! Yeah, you came back at a real good time. Even better, Raider fleet's not been refuelled yet!
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  Wake continues to be lit by burning ships.  Carriers spotted! In we go!  We take heavy plane losses, but we get the key hits in!  In comes their reply....  Owch! Damage control to their stations!  Hero squadron draws off a few planes.  The afternoon strike on the other group only gets one dud on target. We also lose a lot more planes.  Dead in the water, but still in the water!  Things continue to go well at Wake.  We paid for those hits with our planes.  Two or three CVE's makes for good news though!  The torpedo hit is survivable though!
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Those plane losses smart. How noticeable is the drop in pilot quality now?
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I wonder where the American fleet carriers are
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Generation Internet posted:I wonder where the American fleet carriers are The world wonders as well. Oh wait fack that's my lucky ship! Totally missed Gambier bay (and so did the planes!)
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Generation Internet posted:I wonder where the American fleet carriers are Shangri-La, probably.
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What would an human player do right now as USA (assuming there aren't 20 carriers converging on the sitting ducks)? Instinctively, I'd take a 2 weeks to 1 month break to concentrate a proper task force and avoid further losses if I don't have enough assets in the area, but to be honest I have no clue or knowledge on what assets are available to PACCOM at this point in time, what toys are rolling out of the shipyards right now and in general what are the options. Anyone with actual knowledge wanna chip in?
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Regarding pilot quality, one important thing to keep in mind is that's only initial quality. Training can fix a lot. The Allies get a couple very green squadrons in early '42, and I don't even move them to the front until most of the pilots get their xp and main skill from the <30 they start at to around 50. It doesn't take that long, either. At 100% training, you can expect a point in each every day or two. Probably won't help the groups at airbases being bombed incessantly, but carrier pilots should have no problem getting some practice in as their ships repair, refit, etc. I don't think training missions can get them to pre-war Kido Butai levels of experience, but they should get good enough to not be free points whenever they run into a pair of Spitfires.
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I hope the BB fleet didn't have any old slow DDs in the task force slowing them down, they can totally chase the remaining carriers and show the might of the giant guns. And get stuck out there with the hero cruisers.
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As a human USA player, at this point you are getting enormous amounts of everything. You get together a nice big amphibious invasion force with a bunch of CVEs for CAP and ASW, escorted by a huge carrier task force filled with well trained pilots (you have been running your pilot training program, haven't you?) flying very effective aircraft. Put some upgraded fast BBs in there for crazy AA support. Have a few powerful surface task forces tagging along to engage any surface raiders that show up. The Japanese player will have a hard time stopping this without a total concentration of force and some luck. Once your guys are ashore, you use your almost limitless supply, late war infantry advantage (not to mention armor), and good ole' American gumption to overwhelm the defenders. Basically, at this point you have the advantage in almost every concievable area. You just have to be able to concentrate it effectively. Edit: Don't forget pre-invasion bombardment missions and airstrikes to strangle the defenders of supply, increase their disruption, and generally make their life hell. pthighs fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Mar 30, 2018 |
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With Japanese fleet carriers, I'd be throwing every CVE at them I could to sink them. The allies get CVEs by the dozen, use them to close to gun range, ramming speed if necessary. Note: my pixelmen take large casualties.
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We only saw 27 of those 56 air losses, I wonder where the other half came from?
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Leperflesh posted:We only saw 27 of those 56 air losses, I wonder where the other half came from? unable to land (because of a sunk carrier) counts as operational losses? Or is that just planes already on board a sinking CV(E/L)?
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Lakedaimon posted:unable to land (because of a sunk carrier) counts as operational losses? Or is that just planes already on board a sinking CV(E/L)? Operational is damaged planes being lost for reasons, or maybe a fatigued pilot crashes by accident, etc. Lost on field is a sinking.
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