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Antilles posted:He appears to be learning though, at the start of the recent stream he had read several helpful tips and spent like 30 mins going through his mechs and adding armor, re-jiggering weapons loadout and all that good stuff, and seems to be getting a better eye towards fine-tuning his weapons (i.e. after a mission he's usually "ok, this mech needs a bit more heatsinks, this needs more AC/20 ammo" etc). Aye, he's definitely learning. He's now at the same point I definitely went through in the Mechwarrior games: experimenting with the mech designs to make frankly rubbish mechs but at least based on thinking about the mechanics, even if the conclusions reached aren't correct. Like his single-PPC high-armour Griffin which he insists is a sniper mech but has less armament than a stock Panther and as much armour as his close-in brawler mechs. Dropping the LRM for heat efficiency and adding armour wasn't the worst idea but it's created an essentially dead weight mech compared to even the stock setup.
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raverrn posted:I think the Mechcommander ones were pretty mean to come up against. They had something like half of the tubes they should have had. MC only had LRM-5s and SRM-2s and neither had as many as they should have had (12 and 30 respectively)
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It's an April Fools day joke but is relevant to Goons: https://blainepardoe.wordpress.com/2018/04/01/annual-battletech-april-fools-humor-battletech-products-that-never-came-to-market/ quote:Attack of the Sentient Chickens Sourcebook. You thought that Far Country was a one-off fluke? No way. The chickens are back and this time they come piloting BattleMechs! Complete stats on the Chick Filet and Colonel Sander’s Battalions, and the new Fricassee, Hot Wing, Honey BBQ, and Clucker Class BattleMechs. New weapons include the extended range Kenny Rogers’ Roaster-Flamer. The chickens are back and this time it is war. Saddle up, it’s a finger-licking fight to the finish! SQUAWK!
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Obviously the game needs a mod to play a platoon of tanks.
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Panzeh posted:Obviously the game needs a mod to play a platoon of tanks. I kinda expect a longer range mod that would do 2 lances or something. I could see a mod where you could buy a support vehicle for your mech as a "mod" and have it tag along behind your mech like a PPC armed puppy.
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Panzeh posted:Obviously the game needs a mod to play a platoon of tanks. I hope they add something like this eventually. It'd be cool as heck running a gang of overgunned peasant wagons making GBS threads on the enemy's fancy precious mechs.
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Sky Shadowing posted:It's an April Fools day joke but is relevant to Goons: I'll admit I chuckled at most of these
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Dreadwroth posted:How could anyone forget the Charger's sweet cooldude shades? Radio Free Kobold posted:You know how some mechs have fists? Those fists give you bonus melee damage. 
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John Charity Spring posted:Aye, he's definitely learning. He's now at the same point I definitely went through in the Mechwarrior games: experimenting with the mech designs to make frankly rubbish mechs but at least based on thinking about the mechanics, even if the conclusions reached aren't correct. Like his single-PPC high-armour Griffin which he insists is a sniper mech but has less armament than a stock Panther and as much armour as his close-in brawler mechs. Dropping the LRM for heat efficiency and adding armour wasn't the worst idea but it's created an essentially dead weight mech compared to even the stock setup. Yeah, it was annoying me that he just kept dropping more and more armor. That Blackjack he had that kept getting blown up and killing pilots? Yeah dude, if you put 2 AC5s and a bunch if other poo poo in it and no armor, I assume the AI is going to prioritize that target. But he went too far and totally neutered his Griffin, as you mention, plus he still brings along his Panther, so he has 2 mechs that all they have are 1 PPC. Then he talks about how the next mission was such a drawn out battle. Plus he seems way too adverse to getting into a short range scrap, melee is a complete afterthought and he really hasn't taken advantage of any mechs he could use as a back armor assassin. That being said, I've really enjoyed watching him over the past few days and have seen every minute of his BattleTech streaming. Although it seems like he might be done with it, at least for now.
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Internet Explorer posted:Yeah, it was annoying me that he just kept dropping more and more armor. That Blackjack he had that kept getting blown up and killing pilots? Yeah dude, if you put 2 AC5s and a bunch if other poo poo in it and no armor, I assume the AI is going to prioritize that target. But he went too far and totally neutered his Griffin, as you mention, plus he still brings along his Panther, so he has 2 mechs that all they have are 1 PPC. Then he talks about how the next mission was such a drawn out battle. Plus he seems way too adverse to getting into a short range scrap, melee is a complete afterthought and he really hasn't taken advantage of any mechs he could use as a back armor assassin. As I said, his experience is of someone coming fresh to Battletech and all the core concepts of the game. It's hard to be a streamer who isn't annoying, it's super hard to be a streamer learning the ropes of a game while not being annoying and yet he manages it somehow.
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Alchenar posted:As I said, his experience is of someone coming fresh to Battletech and all the core concepts of the game. I'm not saying any of this isn't true. I was just commenting for those who haven't seen the stream.
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Apr 3, 2018 14:46
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Cohh bringing an AC20 with 4 ammo 
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hooman posted:Cohh bringing an AC20 with 4 ammo I don't see the problem, that's exactly enough ammo to take down an enemy lance. 
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Perestroika posted:I don't see the problem, that's exactly enough ammo to take down an enemy lance. What is this? A lance for Fire Ants? EDIT: Bringing the same 4 ammo mech on a second mission. I find this guy very watchable but his learning experiences are almost art. hooman fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Apr 3, 2018 |
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Apr 3, 2018 15:51
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Obviously there's a learning curve but that just seems to defy common sense. Like, 4 ammo obviously means you get only four shots. Unless he never expects that mech to need to shoot more than 4 times, you'd want to bring more ammo...
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Who cares, we're doing it live!  He probably knows it's a bad idea, but what fun would it be if he always did the smart thing? Which is what he has basically said that a few times.
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Apr 3, 2018 16:55
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What mech did he slap an AC/20 with only 4 shots onto?
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Apr 3, 2018 17:12
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Centurion. But I think 1 ammo = 5 shots? I don't remember. Not like that's a big difference.
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A centurion but it has 2 med lasers too so it really isn't that bad. Edit: beaten He's gotten to the stage where he's over sinking bc he wants to alpha every turn and slowly figuring out initiative and such. Chance II fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Apr 3, 2018 |
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Apr 3, 2018 17:18
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Internet Explorer posted:Centurion. But I think 1 ammo = 5 shots? I don't remember. Not like that's a big difference. 4 in the bins and you always keep one in the chamber. 
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Chance II posted:He's gotten to the stage where he's over sinking bc he wants to alpha every turn and slowly figuring out initiative and such. Is he doing more and I'm just too stupid to see it? Looks like it's all GoW today and he was still being super cautious about heat yesterday.
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I'm not current so he might not. I think he said he was moving on but has plans to revise it here and there until the game goes live.
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Chance II posted:A centurion but it has 2 med lasers too so it really isn't that bad. So he turned it into Yen-Lo-Wang?
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Apr 3, 2018 17:42
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I mean it's better than what he did to his griffin.
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Chance II posted:I mean it's better than what he did to his griffin. This was just too good not to go back and get a screenshot of. Yes, this is the finished product that he took into 2+ missions. 
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You could see the shell shock of blackjack after blackjack blowing up meeting the horror of twin ppc turrets colliding.
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Oh hrmm, the Griffin has three Ballistic slots on that RT, you say? I doubt it could fit three AC/2s but I love to dream.
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Pretty sure those are missile slots, the ballistics slot is the reticule. Otherwise that Griffin would have 0 missile slots which seems unlikely given the giant missile launcher on its shoulder. Which incidentally I am sad to see doesn't get removed if you strip all the missile mounts out. E: no maybe the reticule is support and the three pips on the far left is ballistics?
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The RT has 3 Missile slots. The reticule is for Support weapons (Small Laser, Flamer and MG). Ballistic is three bullets stacked. It's kind of similar to the Missile icon but not that hard to tell them apart.
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RabidWeasel posted:removed AoD Excuse you?!
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I was so sad when he put 2 large lasers on his centurion and then didn't commit to it. 2 Large Lasers and some support weapons gets you a really nice all-range mech. Especially since those would be in the center torso and not in the arms he keeps getting blown off.
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Pharnakes posted:Pretty sure those are missile slots, the ballistics slot is the reticule. Otherwise that Griffin would have 0 missile slots which seems unlikely given the giant missile launcher on its shoulder. The model does reflect the removed missile launcher when he fields it in the next mission.
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Apr 3, 2018 18:08
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You mean the whole drum is removed? Not just the ports covered up?
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A.o.D. posted:Excuse you?! sorry, you weren't providing the right gameplay experience so you were cut for release 
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I think if anything they cut AoD because it wasn't good enough, not too good. Outside of the skirmish mode, DFA seems like a huge trap.
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DatonKallandor posted:I think if anything they cut AoD because it wasn't good enough, not too good. Outside of the skirmish mode, DFA seems like a huge trap. Depends. It’s a high risk high reward tactic for lighter mechs that can really turn a battle. A shadow hawk can 1HKO an atlas with it for example. On the other hand if you have an assault that can survive the exposure it can be a great way to bust an enemy’s line. Highlander is the classic example of a dfa viable assault. Even a victor can make good use of it.
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Every DFA costs cold hard cash, and makes you extremely vulnerable to being legged, which costs even more money. And since you're always limited to 4 mechs max and your opposition isn't, getting even one mech mission killed is a very large loss in firepower. Plus getting legged is a guaranteed pilot wound, which has it's own set of costs after the battle. Hitting heads is also extremely rare if you're banking on that you might as well punch in melee or called shot the head with morale. Sure in a skirmish, DFA your heart out, the costs don't matter and your opponent has the same amount of units you do.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:You mean the whole drum is removed? Not just the ports covered up? Yeah the whole drum is gone. I was paying close attention bc that kinda poo poo in games with customation gets me hot.
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Makes sense. That’s what those models do when you add/temove weapons in MWO
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