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Timeless Appeal posted:Honestly, I don't think the film is actually that thoughtful an exploration of the value of life or killing. To me, the story is not so much about the specific horrific thing that Thanos wants to do. It's more an exploration of hubris. He's a man who gives up his humanity (titanity?) on the absolute presumption of being right despite the fact that if he loses it's because of his limited world view (Not understanding that Strange giving up the stone wasn't Strange giving up but setting up the only possible win condition for the Avengers). I think what's interesting about Thanos' motivation/plan is that it's portrayed as cruel not to the half that just go poof, but to the half that are left behind, thinking that they'll thank him for giving them a raise by taking away half their loved ones
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precision posted:I think what's interesting about Thanos' motivation/plan is that it's portrayed as cruel not to the half that just go poof, but to the half that are left behind, thinking that they'll thank him for giving them a raise by taking away half their loved ones I mentioned that it's significant how most of the main characters and specifically the original Avengers are spared, but all the beloved sidekicks, enemies-turned-allies and emotional centres are gone; Cap's lost Bucky and Falcon, Wakanda's lost its king, Scarlet Witch is gone, Spidey's death scene is particularly significant for Stark, Strange the amazing wizard they just got to know is gone, and the entire Guardians of the Galaxy besides Rocket and Nebula are gone. It's almost Tony's nightmare made manifest, and salt in the wound for Thor who's already lost everything so drat fast.
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May 4, 2018 13:39
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:It's weird to me that Starlord has the autonomy to go to Earth whenever he wants and loves Earth pop culture but music movies and video games, but he's never gone back for a weekend. Star-Lord not going to Earth is basically Anakin/Vader never going back to Tatooine. Although I think we'll eventually see him there, probably in the next movie.
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May 4, 2018 13:39
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precision posted:I may have had a stroke but didn't Cap flirt with Nat and Hawkeye got all catty over it and then they dropped that like a hot rock? Uh, no? Nat flirted pretty hard with Cap in Winter Soldier, but took it well when he let her down easy. You're probably thinking of AoU when Cap notes that he's seen Nat flirt, up close, and how she's interacting with Banner is different. Banner gets a bit catty once he processes the implications.
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May 4, 2018 13:49
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I would have really liked it if they played Crack of Doom by the Tiger Lillies as the credits came up. Perhaps a bit too nihilistic for Marvel.
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May 4, 2018 14:02
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In the next one they should play Smell Yo Dick by Riskay over all the dialogue.
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May 4, 2018 14:09
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IIRC, isn't Steve Roger's home neighbourhood in what was a major gay district of NYC at the time?
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May 4, 2018 14:11
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I mentioned that it's significant how most of the main characters and specifically the original Avengers are spared, but all the beloved sidekicks, enemies-turned-allies and emotional centres are gone; Cap's lost Bucky and Falcon, Wakanda's lost its king, Scarlet Witch is gone, Spidey's death scene is particularly significant for Stark, Strange the amazing wizard they just got to know is gone, and the entire Guardians of the Galaxy besides Rocket and Nebula are gone. It's almost Tony's nightmare made manifest, and salt in the wound for Thor who's already lost everything so drat fast. It's also why Infinity War reminded me of wrestling. I always liked the colourful midcard wrestlers better than the super serious main eventers.
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May 4, 2018 14:14
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My Lovely Horse posted:Part of the reason the ending doesn't work for me is that the original Avengers are kind of super boring by now. (Except Thor, he's cool.) I feel like we've thoroughly explored that team dynamic by now, and I'd have loved to see some new pairings develop beyond the few seconds they all got in this one before it was time for the next fight. Rocket and Nebula notwithstanding, I hope they shake things up a bit. I hope that they also include Wong, Shuri, Okoye, M'Baku etc. in the next movie too. They were fun for the short snippets we got of them in this one, so it would be interesting to have them come back and bring the perspectives of Strange and Black Panther in some way.
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May 4, 2018 14:17
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:It's weird to me that Starlord has the autonomy to go to Earth whenever he wants and loves Earth pop culture but music movies and video games, but he's never gone back for a weekend. There is no money to be made on Earth. Also most of his childhood was spent in space. He has no frame of reference to anything there beyond the pop culture of 3 decades ago. And cancer wards.
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May 4, 2018 14:20
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evilmiera posted:He has no frame of reference to anything there beyond the pop culture of 3 decades ago. e: probably gonna be Spidey rather than Tony, now that I think about it. My Lovely Horse fucked around with this message at 14:25 on May 4, 2018 |
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May 4, 2018 14:23
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My Lovely Horse posted:Part of the reason the ending doesn't work for me is that the original Avengers are kind of super boring by now. (Except Thor, he's cool.) I feel like we've thoroughly explored that team dynamic by now, and I'd have loved to see some new pairings develop beyond the few seconds they all got in this one before it was time for the next fight. Rocket and Nebula notwithstanding, I hope they shake things up a bit. The only interesting thing left about Captain America is what adventures he and the off-brand avengers were having in Europe. I assume European supervillains are all pretty lovely and that a robust welfare state probably prevents a lot of supercrime.
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My Lovely Horse posted:Part of the reason the ending doesn't work for me is that the original Avengers are kind of super boring by now. (Except Thor, he's cool.) I feel like we've thoroughly explored that team dynamic by now, and I'd have loved to see some new pairings develop beyond the few seconds they all got in this one before it was time for the next fight. Rocket and Nebula notwithstanding, I hope they shake things up a bit. If Shuri doesn't take over as Black Panther and fix Vision immediately in the next one I'm gonna be very disappointed. Would also accept an Okoye or M'Baku Panther It also seems like they could be setting up Cassie Lang for some action in the next one too so maybe we'll start getting some Young Avengers. It's also making me nervous about Paul Rudd getting out of Ant-Man & The Wasp alive. Really I can't see them not packing Avengers 4 with heroes we haven't met yet or that didn't get anything to do in 3. I'll be incredibly surprised if it's just the same old team and we don't get crazy poo poo like Valkyrie & Korg showing up with the surviving Asgardians or maybe the Ravagers team or a Nova or some more space weirdos to rescue Tony & Nebula or give Captain Marvel a ride back to Earth This movie did a really great job of hitting a constant resounding "H E L L Y E A H" feel while still tantalizingly leaving out a bunch of conspicuous stuff. Now I'm overly excited for the next one and this wait is gonna be agonizing.
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May 4, 2018 14:59
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Dietrich posted:the implication is that the ability to bear children is somehow a key facet in what makes a woman a woman. lol
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May 4, 2018 15:13
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Come to think of it, isn't the snappening a really lovely double wammy outcome for Gomorrah's people and the Asguardians, of whom Thanos has already culled before he snapped is fingers. Also I said this before but Thanos is full of poo poo. He never included himself as part of the everybody that got culled, because, well, you know, he wanted to be the hero. And not die, because that is a horrible thing. He should have had the courage of his convictions and volunteered to be last against the wall, taking the gauntlet with him so there would be no backsies.
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May 4, 2018 15:18
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Back to music chat, this is going to sound weird, and I mean this with sincerity, but they should have played We've Only Just Begun by Carpenters. That ending swell would have fit perfectly with Thanos's victory sit.
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May 4, 2018 15:18
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Okay, on second thought, Tony still has Ant-Man's number, we're getting Wasp, Nick Fury is paging Captain Marvel, and if we're lucky Dr. Strange shows up through time fuckery but even if not we're probably actually good for a fairly well varied team.
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May 4, 2018 15:25
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Matt Lindland posted:This is the most popular movie ever made but I think we can probably do better if 8. But in china
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May 4, 2018 15:31
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Collateral posted:Also I said this before but Thanos is full of poo poo. He never included himself as part of the everybody that got culled, because, well, you know, he wanted to be the hero. And not die, because that is a horrible thing. I think he did. I cannot figure out where he is at the end of the film. It looks like he is viewing a glorious reborn version of Titan, but after seeing Tony and Nebula still among the junk, I am more willing to believe that Thanos did perish as one of the 50%, safe in the knowledge that his plan worked. He is not wearing the gauntlet at all in that scene. At least, it would be doubly interesting if that was the case!
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May 4, 2018 15:45
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Cythereal posted:Uh, no? Nat flirted pretty hard with Cap in Winter Soldier, but took it well when he let her down easy. Probably the most misunderstood scene in Winter Soldier. She wasn't flirting at all. The scene is there to juxtapose Roger's old school values and Romanov's / Shield's.
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VideoGames posted:I think he did. I cannot figure out where he is at the end of the film. It looks like he is viewing a glorious reborn version of Titan, but after seeing Tony and Nebula still among the junk, I am more willing to believe that Thanos did perish as one of the 50%, safe in the knowledge that his plan worked. He is not wearing the gauntlet at all in that scene. Yeah, I was wondering if he was supposed to be inside of the soul stone during that final scene - I assume he died as well, and in the comics weren’t there characters similarly trapped in the stone at some point?
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VideoGames posted:I think he did. I cannot figure out where he is at the end of the film. It looks like he is viewing a glorious reborn version of Titan, but after seeing Tony and Nebula still among the junk, I am more willing to believe that Thanos did perish as one of the 50%, safe in the knowledge that his plan worked. He is not wearing the gauntlet at all in that scene. He's basically retired to a farm, having done what he set out to do. He's wearing the gauntlet there. He isn't when he has the vision of young Gamora in the soul stone. That's basically him speaking to his conscience. It's a little bit of doubt creeping in, which will likely lead to his defeat.
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A good article https://twitter.com/SlaylerJ/status/992176509917032448 Gamora got a raw deal in the movie, and I hope she gets hers in the second one.
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May 4, 2018 16:02
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porfiria posted:I thought it was great! And I haven't enjoyed a Marvel movie in a while. This kind of did the only thing that can make one of these interesting at this point, which is up the stakes to the absolute limit. So (although they'll hopefully kill a bunch of people off in the next one) it's kind of the end of the line. Watch how many republicans come out agreeing with thanos
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I've said it before and I'll say it again; I agree with former UFC fighter; Matt 'The Law' Lindland.
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May 4, 2018 16:25
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The Russos just confirmed that Gamora is in fact, inside the Soul Stone.
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May 4, 2018 16:45
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Shageletic posted:A good article Gamora's gotten a raw deal in all these movies it's a real bummer.
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May 4, 2018 16:48
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Collateral posted:Come to think of it, isn't the snappening a really lovely double wammy outcome for Gomorrah's people and the Asguardians, of whom Thanos has already culled before he snapped is fingers. Weird. You mean the bad guy might have a major character flaw and be a bit of hypocrite???
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Scyantific posted:The Russos just confirmed that Gamora is in fact, inside the Soul Stone. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GaNGKD4MTV0
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Straight Outta CompUSA posted:Gamora's gotten a raw deal in all these movies it's a real bummer. I think part of it is how they were sort of in a corner what the way they show everyone's abilities and stuff and had to tone down the Guardians in general. Like in the comics Drax or Gamora could kill Thanos if they wanted to and IIRC Drax is even strong enough to like hold the power gem in his bare hand and stuff like that. I like the Guardians movies a lot but a few of them did get screwed over by how they fit into the kind of movie Gunn wanted to do and having it fit into the MCU.
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hot take: Gamora was never the most dangerous woman in the universe, it was just a good branding effort by Thanos that stuck
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Shageletic posted:A good article Good read but I disagree. That is effectively what GotG 2 was about and I thought the big Thanos vs Gamora scene along with the soul stone scenes did a pretty solid job presenting that relationship. Of course, it's also a hosed up movie where the most terrible person in the universe gets what he wants so the results of these scenes are negative. But I think it makes a huge difference that they were handled with such maturity.
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I have to say I’m happy finally got to see Bleeding Edge. It is my favorite Iron Man Armor.
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The lack of Ragnarok continuity may just be down to timing - Waititi got a pretty blank cheque to do what he wanted and it would've been made at a pretty similar time to Infinity War. I imagine those characters will show up again though given the success of the movie.
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Neo Rasa posted:I still can't believe we're in a world with multiple movies featuring Thor, the Guardians and Thanos and all the stuff with the gems and they haven't used a single Hawkwind or Deep Purple song on any of the soundtracks. Like they were able to put 2 and 2 together and use Iron Man at the end of Iron Man but forgot what folks were clearly listening to when these comics were being written and vice versa. Like Avenger 4's entire soundtrack should just be the Hawkwind album Masters of the Universe or Sabbath's Master of Reality. I'm listening to these for the first time right now and yes it would have been sweet. The move isn't afraid to have a lot of throwbacks visually, from the character design to the prog-like space stuff, so why not have a soundtrack to match. Although like someone else said, anything would have been better than the forgettable sonic wallpaper it's got now
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Ant man will get the Wasp pregnant but find the eggs have been implanted in his own body, they will hatch and eat his brain from the inside out. Ick, "new men". 
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The lack of Ragnarok continuity may just be down to timing - Waititi got a pretty blank cheque to do what he wanted and it would've been made at a pretty similar time to Infinity War. I imagine those characters will show up again though given the success of the movie. Aside from the off screen deaths of all the best characters they also really hosed over Thor and Hulk's whole character arcs. Banner gets Hulk Erectile Dysfunction out of the blue after so much time focused on how Hulk was taking over? Thor's entire arc was becoming a strong leader who put the needs of his people over everything. He had to learn to accept letting monsters run free and letting go of his home for the sake of his people. With the flip of a switch, he's an aloof loner out to kill Thanos at any cost. Like, the character aspects the film explores are cool and interesting but it totally abandons the path the characters were already on. My point being if their bible isn't keeping track of major character arcs, they've got some hosed up priorities. MixMastaTJ fucked around with this message at 18:40 on May 4, 2018 |
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MixMastaTJ posted:Like, the character aspects the film explores are cool and interesting but it totally abandons the path the characters were already on. Eh, considering Thor 3's willingness to diverge from the previous movies, none of this is any sort of problem for Thor 4. This stuff only matters to the extent that later filmmakers decide it would be interesting to have it matter.
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MixMastaTJ posted:Aside from the off screen deaths of all the best characters they also really hosed over Thor and Hulk's whole character arcs. Banner gets Hulk Erectile Dysfunction out of the blue after so much time focused on how Hulk was taking over? Thor's entire arc was becoming a strong leader who put the needs of his people over everything. He had to learn to accept letting monsters run free and letting go of his home for the sake of his people. With the flip of a switch, he's an aloof loner out to kill Thanos at any cost. What makes you so sure that Valkyrie and the others are dead? The movie clearly stated that half of Thor's people made it out alive.
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Doflamingo posted:What makes you so sure that Valkyrie and the others are dead? The movie clearly stated that half of Thor's people made it out alive. People keep saying that they saw Valkyrie dead in the intro scene, even though the corpse they’re talking about has a Mohawk. The Russo’s have even said it’s not her and she’s alive.
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