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Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

Xarbala posted:

One of the mechs I had to draw for TRO 3145/50 was a "And then go back around and make a lighter IS version of the Thor to bring it full circle, with a bit of shad-ness" and I enjoyed the design exercise.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Anzu

I am sure you get this a lot, but I really do like your mech art.

Because I went down the Sarna hole looking up non game mechs, I think its a shame they haven't done a Guillotine model, because I think it would be the perfect fit for Glitch. It just looks so happy to be a heavy murder machine.

Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 08:21 on May 5, 2018

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kater
Nov 16, 2010

How much story is left after Grave Robber?

Space Skeleton
Sep 28, 2004

kater posted:

How much story is left after Grave Robber?

I think that's like halfway.

GruntyThrst
Oct 9, 2007

*clang*

The gunnery skills really start to drop off late game. Mulishot is much less important because heavies/assaults have less evasion and are easier to hit, plus you really need to be focusing fire. Breaching shot suffers the same issue in that you’re better off focusing all firepower on someone who’s not in cover/braced and since you’re always outnumbered, it’s not hard to find a valid target.

What I’m saying is I regret having 3 2 gun/1 guts warriors now and wish I’d made at least one of them 2 tax/1 guts

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound
Hahaha holy I poo poo I was not expecting to incur the eternal vengeance of Adam Jensen

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015

17th Separate Kryvyi Rih Tank Brigade named after Konstantin Pestushko
Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth sixth some day

GruntyThrst posted:

The gunnery skills really start to drop off late game. Mulishot is much less important because heavies/assaults have less evasion and are easier to hit, plus you really need to be focusing fire. Breaching shot suffers the same issue in that you’re better off focusing all firepower on someone who’s not in cover/braced and since you’re always outnumbered, it’s not hard to find a valid target.

What I’m saying is I regret having 3 2 gun/1 guts warriors now and wish I’d made at least one of them 2 tax/1 guts

Counterpoint: multi-shot + breaching shot + LRMs on fools you want to knock over while the rest of your weapons focus on already downed or near-death mechs.

GruntyThrst
Oct 9, 2007

*clang*

Conspiratiorist posted:

Counterpoint: multi-shot + breaching shot + LRMs on fools you want to knock over while the rest of your weapons focus on already downed or near-death mechs.

Yes but breaching shot ignores covered and guarded, but doesn’t mention ignoring entrenched which is the stability buff. I wonder if it ignores that as well.

Tarezax
Sep 12, 2009

MORT cancels dance: interrupted by MORT
beat the campaign

sad I couldn't salvage the boss mech

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Hahaha holy I poo poo I was not expecting to incur the eternal vengeance of Adam Jensen

The voice actor really knocked it out of the park on that one

Tarquinn
Jul 3, 2007

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you
my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal.
Hell Gem

Gort posted:

The voice actor really knocked it out of the park on that one

Yeah, he had much more of a presence than the actual main villains.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

Cowcaster posted:

i think those are more a remnant from the era of cardboard box 80's designs and such. the current mwo iteration looks a lot nicer (like most mwo designs the art is nicer than the actual in game model)


more like Fat Cat

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
SRW Fanatic




Tarquinn posted:

Yeah, he had much more of a presence than the actual main villains.

I mean, it makes sense. The others didn't really lose anything because of Kamea's actions. If anything, they're pretty big on the "it's business" side of things despite having a long history with her.

But this guy, it's personal for this guy.

kingcom
Jun 23, 2012

Argas posted:

I mean, it makes sense. The others didn't really lose anything because of Kamea's actions. If anything, they're pretty big on the "it's business" side of things despite having a long history with her.

But this guy, it's personal for this guy.

He never asked for this.

Sonderval
Sep 10, 2011

Dallan Invictus posted:

Following up on this: did you install the milestone change in the middle of your save? In particular, did you install it after having completed Axylus or Panzyr?

The guy writing the milestone change initially said that it didn't reverse milestone difficulty boosts that had already occurred, but this is only half true and has since been corrected.

It doesn't reverse them when you install the mod, but it DOES reverse them when you hit a milestone where the vanilla game would have boosted difficulty - so if you installed the mod in the middle of a campaign where a vanilla difficulty boost had already occurred, the next milestone will drop your difficulty down to the baseline intended by the milestone mod.

Yup, applied it after Panzyr, I re-verified my game wiped the files and re-played the mission. Gonna play this one through vanilla I guess.

Affi
Dec 18, 2005

Break bread wit the enemy

X GON GIVE IT TO YA
Just finished the campaign. It’s a good start but I hope we get more multi mission missions.

Like. I want one mission I can only send lights on (or a tonnage limit) which will give me an advantage in the next main fight or something like that.


And I want more smaller campaigns.

Anyway this game has potential and I love it as much as battle brothers. Hopefully lots of expansions and mods will make it a game that lasts.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Finished the game, rip all the bad dads and dead childs.


I had a few mechs that have just flamer+ for cc weapons. It paid off beautifully in this mission. She managed to shoot at the start then got broiled into oblivion. Towards the end she got so mad that she shut herself down several times trying to shoot me.

Great Beer
Jul 5, 2004

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Hahaha holy I poo poo I was not expecting to incur the eternal vengeance of Adam Jensen

He never asked for this. But you must had to go and kill his son.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

That's just the official story. They really bonded over their mutual love of warcrimes

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Zorak of Michigan posted:

Trees are weak. Real mechs use a severed Locust leg as a club. Or, better yet, a whole Locust, though I don't believe that's ever been supported by any game or fictional element ever.

I remember an old rule from TT that mechs with hands could only carry up to 10% their weight, so even an Atlas can only take half a Locust as a club. On the other hand, those weird 200t super-heavy mechs of later Battletech could theoretically wield an entire Locust. The ones with hands, at least.

A super-heavy with TSM should even be able to dual-wield Locusts!

Libluini fucked around with this message at 11:26 on May 5, 2018

Lunsku
May 21, 2006

Kinda curious how negative shooting modifier from movement like in the tabletop would affect gameplay. I'm pretty sure that has been in at some point during the development though, and that it being not there in the final version has a good reason. Up to -2 from movement based on evasion pips you get, or -3 from jump would pretty much be the way tabletech handles it, and is simple enough that I'm not surprised if some modder cooks it up at some point.

vuk83
Oct 9, 2012

Cowcaster posted:

i think those are more a remnant from the era of cardboard box 80's designs and such. the current mwo iteration looks a lot nicer (like most mwo designs the art is nicer than the actual in game model)


Piloted by mechwarrior of the bloodname stark

MadJackMcJack
Jun 10, 2009
Well poo poo!



What you're looking at is Glitch, dropped off by the dropship onto a rock that you need jumpjets to get off from, in a mech with no jumpjets :ughh:

(I reloaded and swapped mechs so a jump-capable mech dropped there)

Wizard Styles
Aug 6, 2014

level 15 disillusionist
I mean, that's a pretty silly bug, but...

MadJackMcJack posted:

a mech with no jumpjets

...what even?

MadJackMcJack
Jun 10, 2009

Wizard Styles posted:

I mean, that's a pretty silly bug, but...


...what even?

I needed room for heat sinks :negative:

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves

Radio Free Kobold posted:

Lore people, I got a question.


This is a Thunderbolt, you've all seen one by now.


This is a Thor. It's a 70 ton Clan omnimech.

Note the similar layout. Humanoid shape, round missile pod off one shoulder, truck-cab style cockpit offset on the other side. Are these designs related?

:eng101: Yes it is.

Although I will note that the two pieces of art you're using are from different design eras. The Thunderbolt is a modern rendition of the 'Mech and that is an older Summoner design, if not one drawn for the Dark Age setting.

Here is a Summoner from the same group of artists that has been doing MWO and beyond's redesigns:

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

better than the first official art anyway

Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013

As a long time Btech fan who never had anyone to play with and never knew anyone IRL who even really knew of the game, and who hated what Mechwarrior made of the franchise






...I'm in love.
I suck at it because I'm bad at vidyas. And just dumb in general. Once I get more acquainted with "ok this does this then this happens yadda yadda" I won't be AS dad-like.

But, oh, hell, yes, finally.
The fact that they referenced the first jumpship and stuff even though only literally no one would get where they were going with that in the opening credits? ... ok. Sold.

Der Waffle Mous
Nov 27, 2009

In the grim future, there is only commerce.
I remember it being a thing with the Thunderbolt where the original record sheets had the missile launcher on the wrong torso compared to the art.

Then the upgraded versions switched it around to match the art, but not the original because for whatever reason FASA really didn't like invalidating existing stuff when they could.

And then the Reseen version came out which was based on the original record sheet layout.

When the mini of that version came out it just had a separate cockpit piece so you could just put it on whatever side of the torso you preferred.

Der Waffle Mous fucked around with this message at 13:08 on May 5, 2018

Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013

Did they get any of the MegaMek team to work on what I'm going to call the "down and distance" rules in this game, since they'd had that done for so long?

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER

MadJackMcJack posted:

I needed room for heat sinks :negative:

Jump Jets have priority before guns, mate :colbert:

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Ran into my first grasshopper and very neatly disabled it with most systems in tact. And then killed all its allies. Only lost some B-team recruit on the mission, which I'm fine with, given that it was a 2-skull mission that ended up being a multiple-Heavy and a lance of very capable medium mech ambush on my lance.

TMMadman
Sep 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

CommissarMega posted:

Jump Jets have priority before guns, mate :colbert:

I agree, jump jets for life. Mostly because they are the best way to reposition yourself, especially if you are trying to move backwards.

I've been trying a system where I set up two mechs in a foward position with 2 mechs a short distance behind them. Then after the forward mechs have soaked a little damage, they jump over the back mechs who turn into the front mechs. Sort of a backwards game of leapfrog.

Of course it doesn't always work because I've found that the AI can be particularly stubborn about going after a mech that is in bad shape. I've had enemy mechs run past a low evasion non guarded mech in excellent shape to take a long distance shot at a high evasion vilgilant mech who had a CT exposed.

edit - like if I don't have to worry about the heat, I will use jump jets even to reposition myself 2 or 3 hexes simply because it will also add an extra evasion pip.

SpaceDrake
Dec 22, 2006

I can't avoid filling a game with awful memes, even if I want to. It's in my bones...!
It's also worth remembering that the T-Bolt was actually one of the Unseen for a while, as it's based off the Ironfoot from Dougram:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Dou...ih=1086#imgrc=_

However, the Dougram designs were a lot easier to bring back into the fold than the Macross designs. Hell, HBS BTech uses a ton of them (Shadowhawk, TBolt, Griffon, Wolverine, and the Battlemaster).

So yes, the Thunderbolt has influenced a bunch of 'Mech designs over the years. A lot of (comparatively) newer 'Mechs are derived from riffing off of the old licensed designs and turning them into something that's part of the actual BattleTech property.

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves

Synthbuttrange posted:

better than the first official art anyway



I actually quite liked that basic design

SpaceDrake
Dec 22, 2006

I can't avoid filling a game with awful memes, even if I want to. It's in my bones...!
The left arm (its left, that is) is kind of derpy and it looks a bit unbalanced, but the OG Summoner is a perfectly fine design and fits in with the rest of the original 1990 Clan aesthetic well enough.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007


New career. Same as the old career.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

I'm keeping Dekker in this firestarter as long as I can until it kills him. Dekker never escapes Light Mech Hell.

It got close; I hosed up and left him exposed because I forgot you can't move after meleeing with the Piloting Skill and they blew off his entire left side and most of his CT, but he managed to limp away behind a rock and hide.

Zigmidge
May 12, 2002

Exsqueeze me, why the sour face? I'm here to lemon aid you. Let's juice it.
Fine is not what I'd call a robot design that looks like an eight year old puts together with tangrams during snacktime between their box of grape juice and raisins.

Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013

Zigmidge posted:

Fine is not what I'd call a robot design that looks like an eight year old puts together with tangrams during snacktime between their box of grape juice and raisins.

*sets down Juicy Joose*

It's go time bro

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Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Oh god I've forgotten how bad the repair times are at the start of the game. Oh no dekker you and your spider.

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