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AVeryLargeRadish posted:This is a dumb argument, a dumb argument that could also be used to say that All Might's injury and deterioration doesn't actually have consequences or add tension. Your own expectations are the real issue here, the show never said that the next time he overexerted himself would result in specific consequences, it stated something much more vague than that and you read what you wanted into that. All might's deterioration does have consequence though? He can't use his form as often or as long, and he has a specific weak point now that opponents can exploit. Every time all might gets into a rough fight, he becomes weaker, and as a result he's only been in 1 real fight the whole series. Every time midoriya shatters his bones, he gets told "stop it" and has a new scar.
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Rhonne posted:Do you think Hagakure was born invisible, or that it happened when her quirk developed? Imagine being the poor doctor that has to deliver an invisible baby. Probably in kindergarten or pre-school when the other kids did. But that just means her mom had to try and track down a naked invisible kindergartner all the time!
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Ugh. Ok, I'm only doing this so I can make the thread *maybe* chill the heck out a bit. The next line is a spoiler, but it's not a major one, and if you're irritated about the "lack of consequences" you should maybe read it. Deku's latest injury forces him to completely change his fighting style.
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Mordaedil posted:I personally can't wait for Deku to headbutt all of the villains as his only form of attack. Eventually he has to rely on Bakugo to launch him at enemies
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May 29, 2018 20:05
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https://twitter.com/sd_comic_con/status/1001520457961627649?s=21
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May 29, 2018 20:30
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He's gonna start naming Smashes after the American cities he goes to for cons
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May 29, 2018 20:55
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ninjewtsu posted:Every time midoriya shatters his bones, he gets told "stop it" and has a new scar. ...And also he can't use that bone again in the same fight (barring a couple of extreme exceptions) and also he's causing immense emotional strain to people who care about him, which is every bit as a real a consequence as anything more 'tangible' in a work of fiction.
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Eej posted:He's gonna start naming Smashes after the American cities he goes to for cons
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May 29, 2018 22:26
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JT Jag posted:Ugh. Ok, I'm only doing this so I can make the thread *maybe* chill the heck out a bit. The next line is a spoiler, but it's not a major one, and if you're irritated about the "lack of consequences" you should maybe read it. Let me handle the moderating, please, JT Jag.
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for real tho how long is it gonna take for this boy to master One For All? Or at least get to a level where he doesn't destroy his body every fight. From Gran Toreno's flashback it seems like All Might had a decent grip on it when he was Deku's age and he was born quirkless as well
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May 30, 2018 02:32
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Well also All Might probably thought more about the power objectively (and presumably had a good teacher) instead of growing up idolizing the previous OFA and trying to replicate exactly what he was doing.
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May 30, 2018 02:34
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The Sandman posted:Doesn't help Hagakure, she never appears. she could be mugging the camera in every single shot for all you know!
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May 30, 2018 02:36
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Yeah All Might isn't really a good teacher, and also it's been made pretty apparent that Deku's complete hero worship of All Might has probably hindered his own growth.
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CharlestonJew posted:for real tho how long is it gonna take for this boy to master One For All? Or at least get to a level where he doesn't destroy his body every fight. From Gran Toreno's flashback it seems like All Might had a decent grip on it when he was Deku's age and he was born quirkless as well We don't know that All-Might was hitting as hard back then as he can now, tbf. I'd say Deku has a decent grip on it now - Full Cowling might not mean poo poo to Full Power OFA or Muscular, but it's still a shitton stronger than anything an ordinary human can do.
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If there's bullshit here, it's that Deku's very next conflict after getting Full Cowling requires that he disregard those lessons entirely.
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PMush Perfect posted:If there's bullshit here, it's that Deku's very next conflict after getting Full Cowling requires that he disregard those lessons entirely. IIRC he used full cowling exclusively during the Stain fight
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fool_of_sound posted:IIRC he used full cowling exclusively during the Stain fight *She means the Muscular thing, I think, in which it's all single big moves rather than a slow burn. Zomborgon fucked around with this message at 03:11 on May 30, 2018 |
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May 30, 2018 02:59
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She, but yes. Stain proved it worked as a concept, but instead of the next fight forcing him to push the boundaries of his new technique, he had to just disregard it entirely and brute force it the old fashioned way. Don't get me wrong, the scene was great, but that was because of the acting and storytelling, the fight itself was very generic.
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May 30, 2018 03:08
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Saitama could beat up pre-injury All Might
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CharlestonJew posted:for real tho how long is it gonna take for this boy to master One For All? Or at least get to a level where he doesn't destroy his body every fight. From Gran Toreno's flashback it seems like All Might had a decent grip on it when he was Deku's age and he was born quirkless as well There are two issues to consider with Deku's mastery of it. One, the quirk given to him is stronger then the quirk that was given to All Might due the nature of One for All and I get the feeling that All Might basically super charged the quirk to make it into a truly terrifying ability. Two, as Gran Torino said the quirk just came naturally to All Might to the point that he naturally knew just what he was doing with it. PMush Perfect posted:If there's bullshit here, it's that Deku's very next conflict after getting Full Cowling requires that he disregard those lessons entirely. That isn't true though. Full Cowling had utility in the fight against Muscular and during the rest of the night it allowed him to keep on contributing even with both his arms completely out of action.
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All Might was also probably already the kind to train his body before even getting the Quirk. Even though he trained for almost a year in preparation, it really feels like Deku isn't ready to handle it.
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Hunt11 posted:There are two issues to consider with Deku's mastery of it. One, the quirk given to him is stronger then the quirk that was given to All Might due the nature of One for All and I get the feeling that All Might basically super charged the quirk to make it into a truly terrifying ability. Two, as Gran Torino said the quirk just came naturally to All Might to the point that he naturally knew just what he was doing with it. Yeah, All Might was kind of a freak of nature prodigy. One thing I'd love to see in the future is to learn more about all the One for All Users who came before All Might and see how they handled the power. Hunt11 posted:That isn't true though. Full Cowling had utility in the fight against Muscular and during the rest of the night it allowed him to keep on contributing even with both his arms completely out of action. Like doing a sick dropkick to Spinners sword of swords.
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ninjewtsu posted:All might's deterioration does have consequence though? He can't use his form as often or as long, and he has a specific weak point now that opponents can exploit. Every time all might gets into a rough fight, he becomes weaker, and as a result he's only been in 1 real fight the whole series. We've never seen actual consequences for All Might's injury, every time he's been on the scene and had to transform he has been able to do so and for long enough to deal with the problem, exactly like how every time Deku has needed to mess up his body he has been able to do so. Both of them have the looming possibility of real consequences moving forward, slowly catching up with them. The real difference is that All Might is the mentor character so you are open to the idea of consequences catching up with him, while Deku is the MC of a shonen series so you dismiss the idea of consequences for him out of hand.
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Wheel of Time did a pretty good job of having consequences to using a power, between all the braid tugging and sniffing. Go re-read that while we wait for the next episode.
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Jackard posted:Saitama could beat up pre-injury All Might Of course he could. But why would he?
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:We've never seen actual consequences for All Might's injury, every time he's been on the scene and had to transform he has been able to do so and for long enough to deal with the problem, exactly like how every time Deku has needed to mess up his body he has been able to do so. Both of them have the looming possibility of real consequences moving forward, slowly catching up with them. The real difference is that All Might is the mentor character so you are open to the idea of consequences catching up with him, while Deku is the MC of a shonen series so you dismiss the idea of consequences for him out of hand. ninjewtsu posted:honestly i'd have been perfectly satisfied with "no, really, you have to sit this next one out because you did the thing we told you not to do. your arms are hosed up, but with a little more time they'll be mostly functional." there's possible consequences for deku's actions that aren't "deku is now a quadriplegic." i actually thought they did a pretty good job the first time he wrecked his fingers with the consequence being "i've lost some feeling and articulation in my hand. it's still functional, but if i do that again it'll become a problem." the follow up to that being "well deku, good job putting your arms through The Bone Cruncher, you're good as new for now but you don't have many more of these left in you" is comparatively a pretty weak followup. the consequences for All Might's injury are that he is physically weaker. it is true that as a secondary character, this being shown in a more vague way is easier to accept than it would be for the MC. such as how All Might didn't show up for the camp because he's unable to keep his muscle form up for long enough to trick everyone into thinking he's still at full power, iirc that's the actual reason he wasn't there and "if All Might was there it'd be easier for them to find us" was a bullshit excuse given to cover up the actual reason. presumably, he didn't show up on the UA press release for similar reasons. yeah, it's kind of more an assumption that the nomu fight feeds into this than it actually being stated, but also All Might is a secondary character who is already pretty limited regardless, the expectations are different. in any case, the fact that we were even told "All Might took on a noticeable, physical toll as a result" already makes it have heavier consequences than deku's injury (we were told "he's fine, but if he keeps doing it then at some point in the future, eventually, he won't be fine anymore") honestly this isn't some awful, glaring flaw that ruins the show or anything, it's just kind of weird how dismissive everyone is of the idea that the aftermath of deku ripping his arms apart could've been handled better.
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ninjewtsu posted:there's possible consequences for deku's actions that aren't "deku is now a quadriplegic." i actually thought they did a pretty good job the first time he wrecked his fingers with the consequence being "i've lost some feeling and articulation in my hand. it's still functional, but if i do that again it'll become a problem." the follow up to that being "well deku, good job putting your arms through The Bone Cruncher, you're good as new for now but you don't have many more of these left in you" is comparatively a pretty weak followup. It's probably because we haven't gotten to the aftermath of him having ripping his arms apart yet. He hasn't actually done anything, he hasn't thrown a smash, or used his powers at all. The thing that is annoying is you are dismissing the idea there is any fallout because it is not as of yet immediately happened, where as you should probably start dismissing it the next time Deku gets into a fight, which shouldn't be very long because this show moves at a breakneck pace.
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i can put a "*as far as i know" if that would make you feel better? yes, obviously this is a judgement made on what we've seen, and not on what we have not seen yet. this is the anime thread, afterall. i can't say there's really been any foreshadowing i can point to as being reason to suspect there is more to this than there seems.
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Matoi Ryuko posted:Let me handle the moderating, please, JT Jag. Every real hero needs a sidekick...
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Rhonne posted:One thing I'd love to see in the future is to learn more about all the One for All Users who came before All Might and see how they handled the power. Honestly, I think they shouldn't do this. If Horikoshi showed the previous OfA users and they prove to be super interesting to the readers/viewers then editorial might pressure him to show more of them in flashbacks or side chapters. It's going to be Naruto all over again where it SAYS the rookie genins are amazing, but more and more old generation ninjas pop up to steal the spotlight. If we put it into western comic book terms, it'd be the Geoff Johns treatment where legacy characters get completely shafted because the writer loves Hal Jordan and Barry West, two of the most boringest characters ever. Rhonne posted:Like doing a sick dropkick to Spinners sword of swords. Spinner is such a massive tryhard dork. He's great! 
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Speaking of the dorkloser, I do think it's pretty interesting and noteworthy that in the forest stuff, we saw everyone LoV member's Quirk... except Toga and Spinner. Toga clearly gave a hint as to what hers is, but Spinner just uses a big ol' sword made of knives. He can use it pretty good, but that's all we got from him there. Beyond that, all we know for sure is his iguana-style appearance. Is he like Tsuyu in that he can do things like an iguana or is he like Tokoyami in that he has the appearance but his actual Quirk is unrelated? 
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I think he's just another ninja turtle.
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pointlessone posted:Wheel of Time did a pretty good job of having consequences to using a power, between all the braid tugging and sniffing. Go re-read that while we wait for the next episode. Now now there's no need for insults
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Dragonatrix posted:Speaking of the dorkloser, I do think it's pretty interesting and noteworthy that in the forest stuff, we saw everyone LoV member's Quirk... except Toga and Spinner. Toga clearly gave a hint as to what hers is, but Spinner just uses a big ol' sword made of knives. He can use it pretty good, but that's all we got from him there. Beyond that, all we know for sure is his iguana-style appearance. Is he like Tsuyu in that he can do things like an iguana or is he like Tokoyami in that he has the appearance but his actual Quirk is unrelated? spinner's sword-sword is an impractical piece of poo poo that gets effortlessly dismantled by deku after half his skeleton exploded, and that's what makes it funny he nearly gets his poo poo pushed in thirty seconds after his battle starts because a girl said he was cute like he's such an obvious "we just needed an extra pair of hands" addition to the league and everyone seems to be aware of it except him
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Oxxidation posted:spinner's sword-sword is an impractical piece of poo poo that gets effortlessly dismantled by deku after half his skeleton exploded, and that's what makes it funny Kurogiri decided he was worth saving over Muscular, Mustard, and Moonfish, so he has to be doing something right.
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May 30, 2018 14:37
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Probably because he isn't a walking murderer machine, whatever you call moonfish, or a school kid that prob has a family meaning it's harder to track them down.
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Spinner is the heart of the team.
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Rhonne posted:Kurogiri decided he was worth saving over Muscular, Mustard, and Moonfish, so he has to be doing something right. little known fact about kurogiri is that he cannot stand alliteration
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Radish posted:Spinner is the heart of the team.
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