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Retarded Goatee posted:is it the authoritarian strongman appeal? Volkerball posted:Well he's alive for starters. I was perfectly willing to leave it open for amusing responses along the line of the first one, but it's the second one.  not that I'm not on board with Zombie Mossadegh, mind you
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Savy Saracen salad posted:You have no idea what you are talking about stop dude. The most sectarian and hateful bigots you will ever meet in life are middle easterners like Talib whom view themselves as superior to the rest of the "Rats" around them. They make Trump look inclusive. ....?? Was this aimed at Squalid? Because you're agreeing with me.
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I missed this earlier, Lindsey Graham actually visited US troops in Syria: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2018-07-03/graham-s-surprise-visit-to-manbij-video https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/republican-senator-in-syria-terrible-if-american-troops-leave-1.6242127 He also vised Iraq, Turkey and a couple other places, but pictures and videos of the Syria visit are suspiciously absent from his official twitter account. Also, some good and pleasant news for a change: https://twitter.com/murad_ismael/status/1009898684975321088 quote:Today was the first wedding in Shingal (Sinjar) with music play after 4 years of the #Genocide.. our people suffered greatly, but they will never give up to tyranny and evil.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/martinpatience/status/1015204113917898752 All the people displaced from the regimes advance. A quarter million to 300,000 is where most estimates have it.
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Are there any reports on people returning to the "liberated" areas of Syria?
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OPCW FFM just published its interim report on the Douma attack, confirming the presence of chlorine at the two impact sites. https://www.opcw.org/news/article/o...tarrab-in-2016/
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Brown Moses posted:OPCW FFM just published its interim report on the Douma attack, confirming the presence of chlorine at the two impact sites. https://www.opcw.org/news/article/o...tarrab-in-2016/ Jeez, I'm seeing people on Reddit saying that the report proves there wasn't a Chemical attack: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/8wml0b/just_released_opcw_report_finds_no_evidence_of/
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khwarezm posted:Jeez, I'm seeing people on Reddit saying that the report proves there wasn't a Chemical attack: The syrian civil war subreddit has been completly taken over, to the point that even TOW videos are downvoted until they are deleted to hide the notion that the SAA is less than competent.
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Grape posted:....?? Was this aimed at Squalid? Because you're agreeing with me. I also was super confused reading his reply to your post since he said literally the same thing you said.
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The Syrian Opposition are a bunch of useless frauds. FRAUDS.
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Frond posted:The Syrian Opposition are a bunch of useless frauds. FRAUDS. Sir, this is a Wendy's.
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Frond posted:The Syrian Opposition are a bunch of useless frauds. FRAUDS. FRONDS.
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Another round of mass firings in Turkey, supposedly the last before the state of emergency is lifted. quote:Turkey sacks 18,500 state employees over alleged 'terror' links https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/07/turkey-sacks-18500-state-employees-alleged-terrorism-links-180708065111639.html
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So in total, how many people has Erdogan fired? And how does he still have a functioning state left after this?
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Orange Devil posted:So in total, how many people has Erdogan fired? And how does he still have a functioning state left after this? ...define functioning.
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Orange Devil posted:So in total, how many people has Erdogan fired? And how does he still have a functioning state left after this? The last time I made statistics for everyone who had been purged, fired, or even arrested since the failed coup, the sum exceeded 1‰ of the Turkish population (or 0.1% if you prefer). I wouldn't be surprised if it reached 1.5‰ now.
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Cat Mattress posted:The last time I made statistics for everyone who had been purged, fired, or even arrested since the failed coup, the sum exceeded 1‰ of the Turkish population (or 0.1% if you prefer). I wouldn't be surprised if it reached 1.5‰ now. I didn't know what that symbol meant. Now I wonder why anyone uses it.
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Count Roland posted:I didn't know what that symbol meant. Now I wonder why anyone uses it. It's used when % is too big unit. Blood alcohol level is the most common use case.
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That's a pretty impressive map in the background, its really rare that the computer both forms the HRE while keeping a hold of Rome
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Count Roland posted:I didn't know what that symbol meant. Now I wonder why anyone uses it. You've never heard of something being measured in parts per thousand or million?? It's used for the same reason you have centimetres and meters and kilometers.
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:you have centimetres and meters and kilometers. Ha Ha Ha funny. But seriously folks, I would walk a thousand miles and I would walk a thousand more,
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Cat Mattress posted:The last time I made statistics for everyone who had been purged, fired, or even arrested since the failed coup, the sum exceeded 1‰ of the Turkish population (or 0.1% if you prefer). I wouldn't be surprised if it reached 1.5‰ now. I'd be much more interested in the percentage of public employees he's purged, fired or arrested.
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khwarezm posted:Jeez, I'm seeing people on Reddit saying that the report proves there wasn't a Chemical attack: I've also heard the same sentiment from some Russian friends, so I'm trying to get it right, before I start arguing with them. It says quote:The results show that no organophosphorous nerve agents or their degradation products were detected in the environmental samples or in the plasma samples taken from alleged casualties. If I understand correctly, the agent is used in, among other things, sarin, the gas that was widely reported to be used in those attacks (some of them?). So people tend to stop reading at this point, I suppose. What's not clear to me right now is what it means in relation to reporting on the attacks. Who got it wrong first, how, and why? Further down the report also says that quote:various chlorinated organic chemicals were found in samples from two sites, for which there is full chain of custody. I also want to understand the following part, however quote:Work by the team to establish the significance of these results is on-going. Would it be fair to say that the report is not conclusive, and definitively saying that chemical weapons were or were not used is not possible at the moment? E: in the comments on that reddit posts someone also quotes this quote:Based on the equipment and chemicals observed during the two on-site visits to the warehouse and the facility suspected by the authorities of the Syrian Arab Republic of producing chemical weapons, there was no indication of either facility being involved in the production of chemical warfare agents. E2: Oh, and the most important thing, of course, is that the report doesn't contradict previous reports on Gouta, for example, where sarin was used conclusively. People seem to think that this report somehow claims that sarin never was used in Syria full stop, which, as far as I can tell, is not true. Paladinus fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Jul 10, 2018 |
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:You've never heard of something being measured in parts per thousand or million?? It's used for the same reason you have centimetres and meters and kilometers. Changing units every multiple of 10 is dumb. Instead it should be multiples of 1000. There's also decameters and hectameters and all kinds of units that we don't generally use because they're too obscure. I am a goon.
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Orange Devil posted:I'd be much more interested in the percentage of public employees he's purged, fired or arrested. http://www.turkstat.gov.tr/PreHaberBultenleri.do?id=21579 quote:According to data gathered by The Ministry of Finance, total public sector employment realized as 3 million 569 thousand persons with 1.7% percentage point increase in the third quarter of 2016 compared to the same period of the previous year. So approximately 3%? Count Roland posted:Changing units every multiple of 10 is dumb. Instead it should be multiples of 1000. Yeah but since the prefixes are regular, if you stumble upon a length measured as "5 decameters" you'll be able to convert it to "50 meters" without having to consult Wikipedia for help. There's also a question of implied precision. If you say "ten kilometers" you're not expecting this measure to be extremely precise. "10 000 meters" already implies a greater accuracy in the measure. "10 000 000 millimeters" even more.
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Count Roland posted:Changing units every multiple of 10 is dumb. Instead it should be multiples of 1000. That's why per mille, rather than per cent, should be the default measure for fractions.
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Cat Mattress posted:
Only sometimes. Altitude is one of those things that's measured in small units, even at low precision (ie flying at 10 000m). I feel significant digits is a bit of a scam honestly, though I understand its utility. steinrokkan posted:That's why per mille, rather than per cent, should be the default measure for fractions. Hail satan. fake edit: man this is the ME thread? Slow few days.
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Paladinus posted:Chlorine, and I may be completely wrong here, wasn't as heavily reported on compared to sarin, so maybe people just don't understand that the presence of 'chlorinated organic chemicals' still can mean chemical weapons (if they don't just argue in bad faith). IIRC using chlorine as a weapon is legally considered chemical weapons use, but it doesn't rile people up too much since no one is ever going to ban chlorine so you kind of just have to accept it as a fact of life. So yes maybe chlorine gas counts as chemical weapon use, but it's nowhere near as shocking (or deadly) as, say, sarin, since one of them is something any idiot can make in five minutes from off-the-shelf goods in any hardware store on the planet. IIRC don't even tear gas and mace count legally as chemical weapons? Out of all the atrocious things Assad has done, the semi-regular use of chlorine bombs doesn't really tip my rage-o-meter very far, and presumably the same is true for the general public. That said I'm not a chemist and don't know if 'chlorinated organic chemicals' can reasonably imply things besides chlorine gas. E: Also the fact that chlorine gas is so absurdly easy to make and use, including most frequently by idiots accidentally in their own homes, it's also a lot harder to definitively pin it on Assad, even though IMO that is far and away the only possible culprit for Douma. Also IIRC the rebels have fired chlorine gas shells at government-held areas semi-regularly, not that two wrongs make a right, but that it's not going to move anyone's rage-o-meter against Assad very far. Again assuming "chlorinated organic chemicals" just means the chlorine gas that you can make out of things that nearly 100% of posters in this thread could currently produce in their own homes in under 5 minutes. Saladman fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Jul 10, 2018 |
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Cat Mattress posted:So approximately 3%? I feel like he's fired and imprisoned more than 100K people over the past 3 years, but it's not like I've been keeping count.
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I think some people think unless the OPCW finds pure CL2 then any other chlorine byproducts can't have anything to do with chlorine being used, not that they're a result of chlorine gas interacting with the environment. It's an interim report, so the final report should be clearer on what was used and where. As for the use of Sarin or another nerve agent, I think the allegations can be split into two categories. There's one where the severity of symptoms may had lead to local groups believing a nerve agent was used, because there's been a lot of chlorine attacks, but this was one where the victims would have been trapped in a cloud of chlorine gas even after they died, so symptoms including heavy foaming around the nose and mouth that may make people think its Sarin, plus a lot more people died compared to other chlorine attacks. Second, we've no real details about the samples Western states are claiming had signs of Sarin in. Maybe it came from the victims who ended up buried and weren't part of the OPCW FFM report, maybe after the delay with the OPCW gathering samples signs of nerve agents were gone, but I think we'll need to wait for the final OPCW FFM report before that's cleared up. I have to assume the OPCW received those samples, so hopefully they can clarify if they detected anything in them. Meanwhile, Elizabeth Tsurkov has done a big piece of research on attitudes of civilians in opposition areas to armed groups, and with a significant conclusion: quote:Across Syria, civilians and combatants alike are tired of the war and many who have previously dared to dream of a different Syria have been broken by seven years of war and deprivation. Many Syrians are willing to submit themselves to Assad’s police state once again in exchange for safety from bombings and the provision of basic services. Damascus is winning the war in Syria not simply by regaining territory, but also by breaking the spirit and willingness to resist the regime in areas under its control and areas still outside of it.
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Hodeidah, Yemen update from yesterdayquote:DUBAI (Reuters) - A Saudi-led coalition has made no major gains in its offensive to wrest control of Yemen’s Hodeidah port from the Iran-aligned Houthis, leaving it without the decisive increase in leverage it had sought against the group in U.N.-sponsored peace efforts. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-markets/u-s-stocks-rise-on-earnings-optimism-dollar-gains-idUSKBN1K001A Not a surprise here but I guess the fog of war is p thick for journalism.
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This thread has some information on what it's like for some Syrian refugees and their return to Syria https://twitter.com/SulomeAnderson/status/1016678612995592192
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Either the Houthis are the hardest motherfuckers on the planet, or the KSA-Emirates just dropped their best and brightest mercenaries in a beehive with absolutely no support whatsoever and in either or possibly both cases I'm in shock. The Saudis are really gonna have to genocide the civilian population this year, aren't they? If this doesn't work, they have no backup plan. This was the backup plan. Luckily, participants in this thread may be relied upon to apply its indignant outrage agnostically to all noncombatants in all affected nations, and definitely is not rooting for Team Whatever.
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guidoanselmi posted:Hodeidah, Yemen update from yesterday How is it even possible they've made so little progress? Is there heavy fighting going on? Have they been bombing the city? Though I guess the paucity of information is kinda the point here.
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Count Roland posted:fake edit: man this is the ME thread? Slow few days. A lot is still happening in Syria since the SAA is making a bunch of progress against the southern front rebels and has now captured the entirety of the Jordanian border except for the area around our base in Tanf, and the Idlib rebels launched their most successful assault on Latakia in years before being turned back, but honestly now that the general outcome of the war is stabilizing (the southern front rebels were doomed the second the US told them they were on their own), even territorial gains are more expected outcomes than big news. The big things still left to be determined are the fate of Idlib (under Turkish protection to some extent, but not occupied by them, which seems like a temporary arrangement that can't last, particularly with rebels still launching attacks from that territory), the fate of the area Turkey actually does occupy (my guess is Turkey will basically keep some level of control of most of it pretty much forever under some pretext or another, though likely without annexation for the most part), and what the final shape of the deal the SAA will presumably reach with the YPG will look like once Trump decides to pack up and go home. There have been a LOT of rumors about them coming to terms on a number of issues, but so far they seem to be unconfirmed. I think the other thing that killed discussion is just that there's not much to argue about anymore. Most posters here are from Western countries, so naturally a lot of the more contentious issues have to do with what role the West is playing in the conflict, but now that role seems to be winding down. Of course some posters are happy about that, and some posters are unhappy about that, but as it becomes an accepted reality it would be kind of pointless to keep calling each other names for months while arguing over a decision that seems to have already been made (until a new contentious conflict arises somewhere else and we all point to the "lessons" of the Syrian civil war when making various arguments about that problem). Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Jul 10, 2018 |
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