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Ytlaya posted:Speaking of Minfilia, who even is she? Why does she have the Echo? Is this stuff from 1.0? Sort of? She was kind of part of the pre-Scions organisation in 1.0, then after the Calamity she formed the Scions from the ashes of that. IIRC but she wasn't a MAJOR player in 1.0
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As far as the Echo goes in the story, it's rare but not unique. Our Hero has it, but so do duty finder randos when the story acknowledges they exist and some NPCs like Minfilia (and you meet a few more during the course of the MSQ). It tends to work differently for each person, aside from all Echo-havers being able to understand any spoken language and being immune to a primal's tempering.
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The echo isn't immunity to tempering. That's the WoL's special crystal mama power. The echo is mostly just like fore/past sight and yeah that language thing.
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Wasn't it like explicitly said that Lyse didn't have the Echo so she couldn't help protect the Ala Mhigans from the second incarnation of Lakshmi?
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Are you sure? Pretty sure the whole reason Arenvald and Fordola can help you out during the 4.1 Laksmi fight is because they have natural and artificially endowed Echo tempering immunity respectively. Which is where that whole fringe theory comes from that the Echo is just a tempering from Hydaelyn herself. a crisp refreshing Moxie fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Aug 2, 2018 |
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a crisp refreshing Moxie posted:Are you sure? Pretty sure the whole reason Arenvald and Fordola can help you out during the 4.1 Laksmi fight is because they have natural and artificially endowed Echo tempering immunity respectively. That is the case. Your special crystal power stuff from crystalmom is getting shielded from Ultima Weapon during its fight.
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Brainamp posted:The echo isn't immunity to tempering. That's the WoL's special crystal mama power. The echo is mostly just like fore/past sight and yeah that language thing. I was under the impression that Krile’s specific Echo power was the language thing?
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Brainamp posted:The echo isn't immunity to tempering. That's the WoL's special crystal mama power. That Krile, Uncle Hai, Fordola and Arenvald all happen to have purely by coincidence, I suppose?
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Brainamp posted:The echo isn't immunity to tempering. That's the WoL's special crystal mama power. The echo is mostly just like fore/past sight and yeah that language thing. Go home Brainamp, you're drunk.
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itskage posted:Go home Brainamp, you're drunk. Nah, just sleepy.
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Yeah. At this point of the story I think pretty much everyone with the Echo has the same subset of powers. Which as of Stormblood would be Postcognition, Combat Precognition, Universal Translation, See the Unseen (mostly Moogles,) Immunity to Tempering, and the ability to survive beyond death, although so far only the Warriors of Darkness and possibly the Warrior of Light have shown to be able to do so without possessing another body. Combat Precognition was the one thing you could have thought was unique to the WoL, but both Fordola and Zenos blatantly use it in Stormblood, the former's even requiring special circumvention. If anything, the biggest variable seems to be how spread out the universal communicator part of it is, since at this point I think only Krile has shown complete universal translation- I know we sure as hell can't talk to animals.
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Mr. Locke posted:Yeah. At this point of the story I think pretty much everyone with the Echo has the same subset of powers. Which as of Stormblood would be Postcognition, Combat Precognition, Universal Translation, See the Unseen (mostly Moogles,) Immunity to Tempering, and the ability to survive beyond death, although so far only the Warriors of Darkness and possibly the Warrior of Light have shown to be able to do so without possessing another body. I mean, we /have/ spoken to animals as recently as this patch. They’re a bit of a special case though.
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Arguably it's Postcognition that's likely the 'unique' thing that the WoL gets. While everyone seems to have it to some degree, no one gets zonked out for it like we do 
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EponymousMrYar posted:Arguably it's Postcognition that's likely the 'unique' thing that the WoL gets. While everyone seems to have it to some degree, no one gets zonked out for it like we do I figured it was the fact that you can keep wiping in dungeons and coming back.
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Tashilicious posted:I figured it was the fact that you can keep wiping in dungeons and coming back. That falls under Combat Precognition- your 'failure' is you seeing a future when you
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Encyclopedia Eorzea lists The Power to Transcend Words, The Power to Transcend Time, and The Power to Transcend Worlds as examples of the Echo's numerous powers, but suggests there are plenty more.
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I can't get over how pumped the music gets me in boss fights. Even if I'm just stood there spamming the Rage of Halorne combo, it feels like some legendary duel.
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Safeword posted:I can't get over how pumped the music gets me in boss fights. Even if I'm just stood there spamming the Rage of Halorne combo, it feels like some legendary duel. Music is definitely one of XIV's strong suits.
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Ytlaya posted:Speaking of Minfilia, who even is she? Why does she have the Echo? Is this stuff from 1.0? Before the Scions came into existence at the end of the last era, they were two different groups. Louisoix headed the Circle of Knowing, a group of like-minded Sharlayan Archons who traveled to Eorzea to prevent Bahamut's Calamity. The other group was the Path of Twelve, a group headed by Minfilia meant to gather Echo users and support them in their path, as Echo users are oft thought to be akin to witches or other unholy monsters due to the lack of understanding of just what the Echo is. The first 1.0 storyline has the player character join the Path of the Twelve to help broker good relations between the beast tribe races and to help your Path Companion, who is a refugee from Ala Mhigo. Later on it's explained that Louisoix and Minfilia meet after she begins trying to contact Sharlayan scholars to see their research on the Echo, which is how she also becomes acquainted with Krile and the Students of Baldesion, another Sharlayan sect. Their shared interests for the good of Eorzea are what prompted the groups to combine and become the Scions of the Seventh Dawn. oh no blimp issue posted:I was under the impression that Krile’s specific Echo power was the language thing? Interesting fact: Krile and her Echo power are a nod to the character in FFV of the same name, who was the only person able to understand and speak with moogles. Safeword posted:I can't get over how pumped the music gets me in boss fights. Even if I'm just stood there spamming the Rage of Halorne combo, it feels like some legendary duel. "Revenge Twofold" from Heavensward and "Liberty or Death" from Stormblood are two of my favorite boss themes ever. It only gets better. 
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Ytlaya posted:I'm pretty sure Minfilia's chest is actually larger than you can make a character's chest using the slider during character creation. I'm pretty sure there are some outfits that will, ahem, 'enhance' your bust.
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Yeah, I think she just wears a bra that lifts and separates.  I'm guessing levequests are there to be hoarded for later classes? I'm 34 but already about 10 levels above the main quest's enemies.
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Safeword posted:Yeah, I think she just wears a bra that lifts and separates. Or to level crafters. Lots of crafting leves but it uses the same pool of quests. I think you gain 4 leve allowances per day or something up to a hundred and some. But yah if youre just doing MSQ on a single job they're not too handy.
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There's honestly no point to combat leves anymore other than farming amber encased vilekin (a drop from HW leve treasure chests, used for a stage of the HW relic/anima quests). SB didn't even add any new ones, it's just crafting/gathering from there. I guess they're worth it to someone who wants the weekly challenge log XP on a combat job. Combat leves were an option in the early days of 2.0 because there was no PotD to quickly get to 15/16 and into dungeons (and later dungeon roulettes). You had your hunting log, otherwise it was about farming fates (I have fond memories of goon "pummel parties") and running leves. On release the combat leves didn't give enough XP but they buffed that, and the escort combat leves were very popular because you could run them quickly - but SE hates fun, so the escorts got nerfed multiple times and running those leves became pointless. Nowadays, you have multiple XP bonus options (eg. the brand new ring) so it doesn't take as long to hit low level roulette as before, and of course there's always PotD. Since the allowances are time gated (3 every 12 hours) they're mostly used for crafting and gathering, for which they're great (except for HW gathering leves I guess, the XP of those is amazingly bad  ).
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Safeword posted:I can't get over how pumped the music gets me in boss fights. Even if I'm just stood there spamming the Rage of Halorne combo, it feels like some legendary duel. Ugh same, the first time I did Ifrit was when I realized that I was going to be sticking with this game for a long time, and then it just kept getting better
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Safeword posted:I can't get over how pumped the music gets me in boss fights. Even if I'm just stood there spamming the Rage of Halorne combo, it feels like some legendary duel. FFXIV's presentation is one of the biggest things, along with its story, that sets it apart from its competitors. They rarely ever skimp on quality. The thing that actually got me playing this game in the first place was watching a video of the Xande fight, and it was crazy how pumped the music got me. WoW might be a bit restricted by its older engine, but a lot of their music is still very generic Jeremy Soule-esque stuff.
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Even low level combat leves basically only exist now for the sake of ARR relic grinding and to help your OCD by giving you green checkmarks next to the ones you've done once. If you're between level 5 and 49 and have several party members who all pick up the same leves so you can steamroll them and then turn them in rapidly, they can still be a fairly quick source of xp. If you're solo, combat leves are the least efficient way of getting fighty xp other than directly grinding on normal monsters. It's worth noting that these were considered the signature feature of FFXIV 1.0. Yeah.
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Ytlaya posted:I'm pretty sure Minfilia's chest is actually larger than you can make a character's chest using the slider during character creation. But have you noticed the butt window yet?
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One of these days I'm going to grind out combat leaves for the title. Got nothing else to spend them on.
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steel reason is the best XIV track welp cya
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Wacky Delly posted:One of these days I'm going to grind out combat leaves for the title. Got nothing else to spend them on. Do 500 GC-specific ones so you get a bracelet.
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rujasu posted:LOL. Don't defend him, here he is in SB content and still hasn't equipped his loving job crystal! None of the Scions have, except Alisaie. It's especially jarring in the case of Lyse because Monk is from Ala Mhigo and golly gee, would you look where we are!? Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Aug 2, 2018 |
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Alphinaud has! He just prefers the carbuncle glamors is all His tri-bind is mighty
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Mr. Locke posted:Yeah. At this point of the story I think pretty much everyone with the Echo has the same subset of powers. and the ability to survive beyond death, although so far only the Warriors of Darkness and possibly the Warrior of Light have shown to be able to do so without possessing another body. (Late Heavensward Spoilers) That was the thing that really turned me around on the whole WoD plotline. I was pretty sour on them until the big brawl proper, when you'd beat them and they just refused to go down. And then they just rammed into the fight again and again, just like we do. Had a big ol' smile plastered on my face for that fight.
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:Alphinaud has! He just prefers the carbuncle glamors is all I don't know if Alphinaud is a Summoner, or just an Arcanist who managed to learn some Summoner skills. He hasn't fought any Primals alongside us, has he?
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I don't know if Alphinaud is a Summoner, or just an Arcanist who managed to learn some Summoner skills. There was that time he used Mighty Guard in a cutscene when Bahamut Prime first shows up but otherwise no.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:None of the Scions have, except Alisaie. What Job is Alisaie? I know she has the rapier now, but I don't remember seeing her use any RDM spells.
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Vermain posted:FFXIV's presentation is one of the biggest things, along with its story, that sets it apart from its competitors. On the other side of this coin, I play with the music off and I have skipped every single cutscene since around level 6. I have no idea who any of the NPCs are, no idea what the deal is with this fantasy Japan place I was sent to and at this point I don't even care. However, this game has really fun classes and some of the best dungeon content of any MMO I have ever played. Even skipping the story I am fully captivated by the game.
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Oxyclean posted:What Job is Alisaie? I know she has the rapier now, but I don't remember seeing her use any RDM spells. She is a straight up Red Mage, even the Red Mage trainer mentions her learning how to be one.
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I like to imagine that knowledge you learn during your jobs kinda filters back into the classes. Or Class/Job isn’t quite as clear cut in the lore than it is for gameplay reasons.
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