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Remember when Dale Gribble was a character played for laughs?
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Sep 16, 2018 14:12
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BiggerBoat posted:Remember when Dale Gribble was a character played for laughs? Even Dale Gribble would ask for any sort of evidence on this one. Plus, most of Dale's theories were largely harmless. TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Sep 16, 2018 |
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Sep 16, 2018 14:34
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Tollymain posted:basically a group of reactionary sorts dealing w cognitive dissonance (because the world isnt the one they want/believe it to be) will become a place where people become hardliners or be driven out Just to be clear the ones driven out don’t necessarily become sane. They usually just fracture off into another splinter of crazy.
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Sep 16, 2018 16:03
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hangedman1984 posted:I misread that as "succubus folk tradition I partially grew out of", and I definitely had some follow up questions until I realized my mistake. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nso9sDGkOdQ We're a culture not a costume. Though as an incubus I do sometimes wear those little red devil horns.
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Sep 16, 2018 16:20
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business hammocks posted:I’m guessing phone cameras made it harder to believe every blurry double exposure was a ufo A big dip in ufo reports happened when cameras stopped using physical apertures and went digital. No more diamond shaped ships, which were causes by the aperture.
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Sep 16, 2018 16:46
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I like how they think that using long words makes them intelligent. And I too try to give examples using World or Warcraft.
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Sep 16, 2018 16:48
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LongSack posted:So I’ve just finished reading this thread, and despite the soul-crushing stupidity, I have one question which the google has not been able to resolve: can someone point me to a link which defines what exactly a “contraction event” or “compression event” is (I can’t remember the exact phrase)? I’m not familiar with the lingo TIA Compaction cycles are when a group like FReep or QAnon gets more extreme over time because a part of the group has doubts or questions 'the truth' and is cast away, leaving an even more concentrated group of believers. The term was coined by our own Prester Jane. My favorite example is from FReep, when during the 2012 primaries anyone supporting or advocating for Mitt Romney got banned, because he's a cuck fake conservative swamp creature and not Bachmann or Gingrich or Cruz or whatever other nutjob was the flavor of the week. After he won the nomination, FReep decided they HAD to support him anyway. Someone asked if they'd let the Romney supporters that got banned come back and was banned for asking. The net result was a smaller but even more concentrated level of hatred and crazy.
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Sep 16, 2018 17:33
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:Compaction cycles are when a group like FReep or QAnon gets more extreme over time because a part of the group has doubts or questions 'the truth' and is cast away, leaving an even more concentrated group of believers. The term was coined by our own Prester Jane. Basically, now they are banning anyone for even saying something like 'Trump sure did hire a lot of criminals and I'm worried about how this makes the party look for the mid terms, maybe we shouldn't blindly support him...'
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Sep 16, 2018 18:15
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What will be even funnier is how once he’s out of power they will dismiss him as a RINO cuck and say he was never their guy and now president Roy Moore/Joe Arpio will finally cleanse the inner cities
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Sep 16, 2018 18:33
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:Compaction cycles are when a group like FReep or QAnon gets more extreme over time because a part of the group has doubts or questions 'the truth' and is cast away, leaving an even more concentrated group of believers. The term was coined by our own Prester Jane. Wouldn't that mean that these groups will quickly shrink down to a handful of people?
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Sep 16, 2018 18:55
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happyhippy posted:I like how they think that using long words makes them intelligent. Prester is pretty weird, but she has an accessible framework for understanding crazy groups. If you've got a better way to explain it all, nobody's going to stop you.
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Sep 16, 2018 18:56
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UmOk posted:Wouldn't that mean that these groups will quickly shrink down to a handful of people? yeah, but somehow freep still brings in like $320k a year. so i would think they are a little less likely to ban you if you're a monthly dues paying member, but I've never really been able to prove that.
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Sep 16, 2018 19:01
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UmOk posted:Wouldn't that mean that these groups will quickly shrink down to a handful of people? Part of PJ's theory is that as they shrink, they become more extreme in their convictions, meaning that by the time they got a small handful of people they'll be acting out violently.
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Sep 16, 2018 19:06
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They can shrink from their pre-compaction numbers but there's nothing stopping them from recruiting. Another thing that commonly happens is people that left other groups from their own compaction cycles may join, becoming more extreme in the process because they're looking for another group to belong to.
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Sep 16, 2018 19:12
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TulliusCicero posted:Even Dale Gribble would ask for any sort of evidence on this one. Plus, most of Dale's theories were largely harmless. Dale knows Russian and the Mexican dialect of Spanish, has left the country, understands multiple trades, mentioned COINTELPRO, doesn't trust the NRA, holds down a job to help cover the expenses*, actually believes in aliens, follows through by preparing rather than doing nothing, accepted Bug's homosexuality, and is a good father. From this, we can assume that Dale's the kind of person who was fooled into thinking that ancapism is real and eventually realized it isn't.
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Sep 16, 2018 20:33
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LongSack posted:So I’ve just finished reading this thread, and despite the soul-crushing stupidity, I have one question which the google has not been able to resolve: can someone point me to a link which defines what exactly a “contraction event” or “compression event” is (I can’t remember the exact phrase)? I’m not familiar with the lingo TIA You know how Q makes up words then Qanon uses them? SA has/had some lady that is constantly proclaiming they have a bunch of special insight into stuff and made a bunch of really vague predictions people read deep meaning into. They basically feed some bland "actually your political opponents aren't just differing opinions or wrong, they actually are mentally ill!" then predicts a bunch of stuff that will happen vaguely sometimes, with a bunch of explanations if the predictions don't happen or the opposite happens and has very 'fancy' made up terms for all of it that always change and shift meaning day to day.
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Sep 16, 2018 21:05
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The Q people are probably much more likely to fit into the authoritarian personality type than a random sample of voters.
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Sep 16, 2018 21:07
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Prester Jane seems like a nice person and I think they have a lot of insight to offer but they're selling some common psychological concepts. Radicalization of insular groups is a known thing and labeling it a "compaction cycle" doesnt make them any more knowledgable or some kind of prophet. Manufacturing jargon is creating a cult like atmosphere that even if the goal is to inform creates an environment where people throw out terms the "normies" dont know to confuse people, deliberately or not, which is what Qultists do. Its not that i think what prester jane is doing is bad, i think its a good thing that theyre using their experience to bring cult psychology to light, but they should avoid obfusticating it with their own jargon.
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Sep 16, 2018 21:31
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:You know how Q makes up words then Qanon uses them? SA has/had some lady that is constantly proclaiming they have a bunch of special insight into stuff and made a bunch of really vague predictions people read deep meaning into. They basically feed some bland "actually your political opponents aren't just differing opinions or wrong, they actually are mentally ill!" then predicts a bunch of stuff that will happen vaguely sometimes, with a bunch of explanations if the predictions don't happen or the opposite happens and has very 'fancy' made up terms for all of it that always change and shift meaning day to day. Yeah, it's a bunch of wall-of-text rambling that people seem to try to fit on actual events in hopes of demonstrating some sort of insider knowledge uncommon to most, even thought the "explanations" are in fact either totally banal or wrong.
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Sep 16, 2018 22:00
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These idiots getting banned off reddit has produced more hilarity than I thought possible.
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Sep 16, 2018 22:06
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So how long does Q need to go until conspiracy theorists from the far left start adopting some of the same assertions?
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Sep 17, 2018 00:03
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Has anyone found themselves debating idiots defending Alex Jones and do we have an Alex Jones thread? It's genuinely astonishing. People are like "well, just because called people crisis actors of a vast evil conspiracy and gave out their addresses doesn't make him responsible for their actions!" Apparently, unless Jones says the actual words "grab a gun and kill someone" or "go run someone over with a car" then he is in no way culpable. I just...wow. It's loving frustrating.
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Sep 17, 2018 00:23
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SpeakSlow posted:So how long does Q need to go until conspiracy theorists from the far left start adopting some of the same assertions? That Hillary Clinton is pure evil and is responsible for every bad thing in the world? You're gonna want to sit down for this one.....
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Sep 17, 2018 00:32
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:Compaction cycles are when a group like FReep or QAnon gets more extreme over time because a part of the group has doubts or questions 'the truth' and is cast away, leaving an even more concentrated group of believers. The term was coined by our own Prester Jane. Thanks!
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Sep 17, 2018 00:45
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Fulchrum posted:That Hillary Clinton is pure evil and is responsible for every bad thing in the world? Oh, I've paid attention long enough to see the far-left buy into the Obama==Socialist narrative from the right. To the point of wailing to the heavens when Obama "betrayed" them simply by being the dogmatic centrist that he was through the primaries and most of his presidency. And I see that while Hillary was a flawed candidate, the far left has demonized her and the DNC as a group. It's just the specific messaging of baby-eating pizza patrons being the crossover point for this particular prediction. The venn diagram of Far Left and Far Right overlaps at conspiracy theory more times than not. They won't admit it, but the crossover of messaging is damning in its simplicity.
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Sep 17, 2018 01:11
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SpeakSlow posted:Oh, I've paid attention long enough to see the far-left buy into the Obama==Socialist narrative from the right. To the point of wailing to the heavens when Obama "betrayed" them simply by being the dogmatic centrist that he was through the primaries and most of his presidency. That's called the Horseshoe Theory.
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Sep 17, 2018 04:41
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Horseshoe theory is definitely the kind of simplistic heuristic that is impossible to argue against that also characterizes conspiratorial thinking. Also I like the implication that the Far Left is whacko for thinking Obama betrayed his voters (he did) or that Hillary is a horrible person (she is). I guess they should be chasing Boris and Natasha like the libs if they want to be taken seriously.
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Sep 17, 2018 05:18
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The people pushing fake news (for money) during the 2016 campaign tried to target left wing groups but had a lot less success compared to the right and mostly gave up. Left wing conspiracy theories obviously exist but like the outrage/grift industry the right does it to a far greater extent.
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Sep 17, 2018 05:27
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The people pushing fake news (for money) during the 2016 campaign tried to target left wing groups but had a lot less success compared to the right and mostly gave up. Left wing conspiracy theories obviously exist but like the outrage/grift industry the right does it to a far greater extent. Part of the problem is conservatives are just more stupid in general. Intelligence is associated with Liberalness.
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Sep 17, 2018 05:38
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pseudanonymous posted:Part of the problem is conservatives are just more stupid in general. Intelligence is associated with Liberalness. That's just what all of those ivory tower liberal college profesors want you to think.
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Sep 17, 2018 05:41
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Mantis42 posted:Horseshoe theory is definitely the kind of simplistic heuristic that is impossible to argue against that also characterizes conspiratorial thinking. Also I like the implication that the Far Left is whacko for thinking Obama betrayed his voters (he did) or that Hillary is a horrible person (she is). I guess they should be chasing Boris and Natasha like the libs if they want to be taken seriously. "I am a sensible and rational person, how dare you suggest I am crazy and say the same thing the Republicans do. LOCK HER UP! RUSSIAN WITCH HUNT!"
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Sep 17, 2018 06:46
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Main issue is we pretend there's a 1 dimension line from left to right, when that line looks very silly the more reality you include and mount the line in. That's where the "horseshoe effect comes in. You simply look beyond and see " these forks of the line go bad places others don't "
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Sep 17, 2018 07:02
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The differance between Left Hillary is Bad and Right Hillary bad are the reasons. To the left she is just another evil kleptocrat that didn't support gay marriage until it was politicaly popular, talked about Super Predators 25 years ago, Will start a war with Russia and spoke to Wall Street firms. Right wing hate is she is literally the devil that is the single cause of every evil in America and cackles evily while Real Americans die at her hand. A sane person who lives in the real world would say "Hillary isn't a good person, she is right on some things, but deeply flawed in many, many ways, but she is a million times less evil than anyone the Republicans can field and even more so than Donald loving Trump". PJ's theory isn't unique but she isn't wrong in a broad sense that as groups grow smaller and more powerless they tend to become more and more extreme. I mean the GOP is growing smaller because they've alienated basically everyone under 40 who aren't greedy amoral white straight Christians, but they've grown more and more extreme with this.
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Sep 17, 2018 07:54
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twistedmentat posted:The differance between Left Hillary is Bad and Right Hillary bad are the reasons. To the left she is just another evil kleptocrat that didn't support gay marriage until it was politicaly popular, talked about Super Predators 25 years ago, Will start a war with Russia and spoke to Wall Street firms. Right wing hate is she is literally the devil that is the single cause of every evil in America and cackles evily while Real Americans die at her hand. I think "Bankers" is a place you see it the most, where the left has a bunch of real and valid criticisms of the financial industry but you see a lot of terminology leak in from right wing conspiracy stuff. Like down to the choice of the dog whistle word "bankers" to describe people that don't work at or for a bank in any way but are one of the bad finance industry people. Like people wanting to pick up a premade outrage machine but hoping to distance themselves from the less convenient parts of the outrage machine they are picking up. Like I think a lot of people doing it don't even think (((Bankers))) when they say it, but did pick the word because of it's negative connotation that the conspiracy crowd spent decades in the oven cooking up certain theories.
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Sep 17, 2018 12:40
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fishmech posted:Main issue is we pretend there's a 1 dimension line from left to right, when that line looks very silly the more reality you include and mount the line in. That's where the "horseshoe effect comes in. You simply look beyond and see Go on
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Sep 17, 2018 13:04
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The far left and far right agree on the crucial issue of "are centrists useless wastes of oxygen," and that's a very important issue for centrists.
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Sep 17, 2018 14:01
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Why is it that no matter what random thread I find certain posters in they are always grinding the same ax about how Hilary Clinton was betrayed by the left?
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Sep 17, 2018 16:06
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I wanna know who all these Leftists who thought Obama was a socialist are. My experience was the exact opposite.
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Sep 17, 2018 16:28
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Moose-Alini posted:I wanna know who all these Leftists who thought Obama was a socialist are. My experience was the exact opposite. I've seen at least one person who voted for Obama genuinely believing he'd bring about a socialist revolution, so there's that.
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Sep 17, 2018 17:18
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Helsing posted:Why is it that no matter what random thread I find certain posters in they are always grinding the same ax about how Hilary Clinton was betrayed by the left? Because it's their version of QAnon. The And just like QAnon and other cults, the antidote to cognitive dissonance arising from everything they believed about their Messiah turning out to be wrong, is to recruit social support with evangelism. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Sep 17, 2018 |
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