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cheetah7071 posted:Newbie tips for DOS2: - the game is mostly about combat and expects you to do everything you can to win including positioning beforehand and stuff like that. If you're not a combat player (like me) I'd avoid it.
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Taear posted:- the game is mostly about combat and expects you to do everything you can to win including positioning beforehand and stuff like that. They added a new easier difficulty in the definitive edition!
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Sep 26, 2018 19:47
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Andrast posted:They added a new easier difficulty in the definitive edition! I also found I was wandering around a lot not sure what to do. That's a bit of what's up with pathfinder too - it's not good at telling you stuff is done and what that means for you.
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Sep 26, 2018 19:54
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Taear posted:I also found I was wandering around a lot not sure what to do. That's a bit of what's up with pathfinder too - it's not good at telling you stuff is done and what that means for you. They also revamped the journal and quest logs! (and also added more quest markers) Andrast fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Sep 26, 2018 |
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Sep 26, 2018 19:55
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This game is sounding like it 100% captured the feel of Pathfinder. I fully expect prone shooter made it in unchanged.
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Sep 26, 2018 19:56
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Taear posted:the game is mostly about combat quote:and expects you to do everything you can to win including positioning beforehand and stuff like that. That being said the fights can be pretty challenging, so if dying and having to retry stuff sometimes bothers you I can see how you might not like it. Though they did add an even easier difficulty, like someone said.
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Sep 26, 2018 19:56
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Getsuya posted:Isn’t Pathfinder still stuck with old DnD caster supremacy? Is the solution to the difficulty to roll a whole team of casters? i dunno, i just throw bombs at everything, gently caress em
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Sep 26, 2018 19:58
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Rascyc posted:Yeah it's loving BRUTAL. Wolves running around like they're wearing full plate and poo poo, and there's scores of them. I don't know poo poo about Pathfinder, but I just clicked a random stream after reading this to check it out a bit. Literally the first thing I see is some dude fighting some giant(albeit cool-looking wolves) and saying, "I think I'm supposed to come back here later because I don't see how this is even, like, remotely feasible". Pretty much everything I've read about it indicates that it's terribly balanced. edit: lol, missed this post the first time around Dilber posted:They said on the steam forums they're looking at changing the algorithms for the road combat generation because it's producing fights that physically can't be won.
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Sep 26, 2018 20:02
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for one thing, on higher difficulties they give enemies a flat bonus to every roll and to AC, meaning sometimes it's not actually possible to hit them with any kind of attack.
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Sep 26, 2018 20:04
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corn in the bible posted:for one thing, on higher difficulties they give enemies a flat bonus to every roll and to AC, meaning sometimes it's not actually possible to hit them with any kind of attack. Sounds very well thought out
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Sep 26, 2018 20:04
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Andrast posted:Sounds very well thought out Hell of an act, what do you call it? Pathfinder!
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Sep 26, 2018 20:05
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Selane posted:If you're ignoring the story for some reason, I guess. Which I thought was pretty cool and has also been improved in the Definitive Edition. The story isn't anything special and the broken journal stuff made it hard to get engaged with it. When things happen in the wrong order it totally takes me out of the game and makes me not care. But yea, doing things over and over to progress makes me hate it. I just got bored and irritated, especially if it was a fight that I had to do to progress. Partly that's down to it being turn based. I am really impatient during enemy turns - I just want to get on with it. Selane posted:I don't know poo poo about Pathfinder, but I just clicked a random stream after reading this to check it out a bit. Literally the first thing I see is some dude fighting some giant(albeit cool-looking wolves) and saying, "I think I'm supposed to come back here later because I don't see how this is even, like, remotely feasible". Sorry to quote massive text bits to reply to just a tiny part but I can't easily delete it on my phone. The actual story battles are like this. Screen after screen of oneshot enemies then bam, you're being oneshot and it's confusing as hell!
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Sep 26, 2018 20:05
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Taear posted:The story isn't anything special and the broken journal stuff made it hard to get engaged with it. I don't think that ever happened though. I guess there might have been some bugs like that in Arx but I don't think you got that far if you didn't like the game.
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Sep 26, 2018 20:06
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Pathfinder is a game made by a very specific kind of brokebrained grognard for other brokebrained grognards and it's not terribly surprising the video game version wasn't tested by anybody who doesn't know the system inside and out
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Sep 26, 2018 20:08
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corn in the bible posted:for one thing, on higher difficulties they give enemies a flat bonus to every roll and to AC, meaning sometimes it's not actually possible to hit them with any kind of attack.  I checked out a stream of a guy playing it and I think he spent like half an hour on some of the first enemies because he kept dying in seconds.
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Sep 26, 2018 20:09
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cheetah7071 posted:Pathfinder is a game made by a very specific kind of brokebrained grognard for other brokebrained grognard and it's not terribly surprising the video game version wasn't tested by anybody who doesn't know the system inside and out Yeah I can't imagine many people who aren't super deep into Pathfinder getting excited about playtesting Kingmaker
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Sep 26, 2018 20:09
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Andrast posted:I don't think that ever happened though. It happened loads. For example I had a scene where the elf assassin went and killed a character who was already dead, or where quite far into the initial Island area I got an update for a quest I'd already done that acted like I hadn't done it. I got to act...four? Just before Arx. cheetah7071 posted:Pathfinder is a game made by a very specific kind of brokebrained grognard for other brokebrained grognard It's got that feel where it's made by a person who is so familiar with the format they don't know what a person who isn't familiar with it needs to know. Which is a bad thing.
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Sounds like a hard pass on Kingmaker. Ah well I loved PoE 2 so I guess that'll have to do. How's the writing outside the systems? Did Avellone go over the top? Does it have any weird Russian politics?SilverMike posted:My Steam review on BT4, only thing I'd add now is a note about having to do puzzles for a significant portion of the game. And this sounds like it will/might be absolutely my poo poo when/if they fix it.
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Sep 26, 2018 20:13
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Taear posted:It happened loads. For example I had a scene where the elf assassin went and killed a character who was already dead, or where quite far into the initial Island area I got an update for a quest I'd already done that acted like I hadn't done it. I haven't really heard other people having those kind of problems with quests in any widespread but those do sound pretty plausible. Sprawling CRPGs are pretty complicated after all. You got pretty far as a person who hates the game though. That's like 40+ hours right there. Andrast fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Sep 26, 2018 |
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Sep 26, 2018 20:17
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A Sometimes Food posted:Sounds like a hard pass on Kingmaker. Ah well I loved PoE 2 so I guess that'll have to do. How's the writing outside the systems? Did Avellone go over the top? Does it have any weird Russian politics? So far I haven't reached any weird Avellone stuff, no Durance or Ravel. But everyone is a proper exposition dump and has the same voice when they talk. The only strange Russian stuff is peculiar sexism, where I can continually call female characters beautiful and get mad at them not liking it. That sure came across weirdly.
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Sep 26, 2018 20:18
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Taear posted:The only strange Russian stuff is peculiar sexism, where I can continually call female characters beautiful and get mad at them not liking it. That sounds pretty funny at least
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Andrast posted:I haven't really heard other people having those kind of problems with quests in any widespread but those do sound pretty plausible. Sprawling CRPGs are pretty complicated after all. Yea it was ages, once I have started I hate to abandon anything but I was hating it so much I couldn't carry on by that point. I just wandered that island in act 3 or whatever for a while got frustrated and finally kicked it in. I broke story threads LOADS in act 2. The thread mentioned stuff like that loads when the game was new.
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Sep 26, 2018 20:20
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Taear posted:Yea it was ages, once I have started I hate to abandon anything but I was hating it so much I couldn't carry on by that point. I just wandered that island in act 3 or whatever for a while got frustrated and finally kicked it in. I broke story threads LOADS in act 2. Yeah they have probably fixed a lot of that stuff by now if it was prevalent
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Sep 26, 2018 20:22
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corn in the bible posted:for one thing, on higher difficulties they give enemies a flat bonus to every roll and to AC, meaning sometimes it's not actually possible to hit them with any kind of attack. to be fair this was a problem in neverwinter nights 1 as well except it happened on normal difficulty to full BAB classes, so you could only hit certain monsters (even in the early game) with a natural 20 crit
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Sep 26, 2018 20:40
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The White Dragon posted:to be fair this was a problem in neverwinter nights 1 as well except it happened on normal difficulty to full BAB classes, so you could only hit certain monsters (even in the early game) with a natural 20 crit  Also I just noticed Pathfinder is down to "Mixed" reviews on Steam now. I wish I could get into Pillars of Eternity because I'd love to play a game like this but the setting and characters just wasn't doing it for me.
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Sep 26, 2018 20:44
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Your Computer posted:I still have no idea how I ever managed to play NWN as a kid, considering how little I knew what I was doing What exactly do you mean by "a game like this"? There are plenty on non-PoE options out there. You could try Tyranny which I personally found a lot more interesting than Pillars. The shadowrun games are also of a similar vein and pretty good. There's also Original Sin 2 which I already recommended. I think it's the best game in the whole genre. Andrast fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Sep 26, 2018 |
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Sep 26, 2018 20:48
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Your Computer posted:I still have no idea how I ever managed to play NWN as a kid, considering how little I knew what I was doing it feels like I talk it up a whole lot but Masquerada: Songs and Shadows is a CRPG that cuts out almost all of the bullshit
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Sep 26, 2018 20:50
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Taear posted:You go to owlcat's website and sign in, you should have claimed on the backer portal and you'll have a download key there if you did it properly when they emailed it to you. I don't remember if I did it, the only mail I can find from that period about the portal is where they say there was a typo in the first mail (which I can't find). I've been entering my e-mail address in 'Get your transfer code' on the Owlcat site, it says the e-mail was successfully sent, but I never actually get said mail.
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Really Pants posted:it feels like I talk it up a whole lot but Masquerada: Songs and Shadows is a CRPG that cuts out almost all of the bullshit
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Andrast posted:What exactly do you mean by "a game like this"? There are plenty on non-PoE options out there. You could try Tyranny which I personally found it a lot more interesting than Pillars. The shadowrun games are also of a similar vein and pretty good. I guess by "game like this" I meant that sort of classic/DnD fantasy game. Like I said I played NWN as a kid and have always had a nostalgic fondness for that sort of game despite being really bad at them  Pathfinder looked like a pretty straight take on it which is why I was hoping it was going to be good (and also looks to have some interesting classes).Thanks for the recommendations, I'll be sure to check 'em out!
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Sep 26, 2018 21:01
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pillars 2 is also much better than pillars 1
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Sep 26, 2018 21:01
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The NWN EE came out for Steam a while ago, by the way. Also, all the Infinity Engine games are now on Steam, except Icewind Dale II.
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Sep 26, 2018 21:04
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Act 2 of Divinity:OS2 was definitely a bit busted for me at launch, but nothing on the critical path. Just side quests busting and that one wizard dude or w/e was notorious for just acting like his quest was done and skipping straight to your boat. I'd like to think a lot of that was fixed since that time.
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Sep 26, 2018 21:06
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Your Computer posted:I still have no idea how I ever managed to play NWN as a kid, considering how little I knew what I was doing It took me a long while to really warm up to the Pillars setting and now it's up there for me. It was almost like language immersion, I didn't understand it at all until I really started understanding and digging it.
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Phlegmish posted:I don't remember if I did it, the only mail I can find from that period about the portal is where they say there was a typo in the first mail (which I can't find). If you search your email for owlcat and backer do you find it then? Go to the website, click on preorder then click sign in at the top and find out what happens, maybe you've already done it. corn in the bible posted:pillars 2 is also much better than pillars 1 Absolutely. I really enjoy the setting though, some amazing ideas
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Sep 26, 2018 21:16
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corn in the bible posted:pillars 2 is also much better than pillars 1 Phlegmish posted:The NWN EE came out for Steam a while ago, by the way. Also I know it's sacrilegious but I could never get into Baldur's Gate because of the "humor".
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Sep 26, 2018 21:18
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I should probably try Pillars 2 at some point. I really disliked Pillars 1 but everyone is saying that 2 is a lot better
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Sep 26, 2018 21:19
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Your Computer posted:It's a direct continuation of 1 though, isn't it? It honestly looks more interesting to me than 1 but I figure it would be a pretty dumb idea to jump straight on 2 without playing 1
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Sep 26, 2018 21:23
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Taear posted:If you search your email for owlcat and backer do you find it then? No luck, and I'm already signed in. It says I have no digital downloads. Going to wait until they sort it out, this is kind of a mess.
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Your Computer posted:Last I remember hearing about NWN EE was that they didn't really do anything to enhance it and just basically released NWN again, did anything more happen after that? I do sorta want to try it out again but it's an old game and I'm not sure I'd be able to get into it like I did as a kid. Same goes for the Infinity Engine games. They're not easy games to get into From what I'm aware the major selling points of EE are the improved modding and online capabilities. And being able to run effectively on modern systems without workarounds. If none of that matters to you it's not gonna be worth getting if you've already played the original.
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