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womb with a view posted:I spent a good chunk of the episode I was watching last night trying to figure out if Sisko really was wearing a carpet as a vest this time, I'm pretty sure I saw individual fibers. Was it when they were just rolling out the new uniforms? IIRC, Brook’s uniform at first was someone else’s that straight up didn’t fit.
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Don't forget, Romulus blew up and everybody died with no survivors
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Oct 3, 2018 15:41
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womb with a view posted:Other DS9 writing credits from Hilary J. Bader, writer of "Explorers": I'm watching Meridian next week, but from my recollection she actually does? It just doesn't work and they have to rescue her from phasing to death?
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Oct 3, 2018 15:43
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Al Borland Corpse posted:I'm watching Meridian next week, but from my recollection she actually does? It just doesn't work and they have to rescue her from phasing to death? Yeah she tries to but can't. 
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Oct 3, 2018 15:52
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corn in the bible posted:Don't forget, Romulus blew up and everybody died with no survivors Never forget 
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Oct 3, 2018 15:56
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womb with a view posted:Yeah she tries to but can't. Jadzia is a sad combination of didn't have the chops and written dull as dishwater
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Oct 3, 2018 15:56
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Explorers is great because Ben/Jake is always good and it features Bashir and O’Brien singing.
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Oct 3, 2018 16:00
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Jadzia got a whole lot better around season 3-4 when they leaned more into her “pansexual gently caress-fiend who just wants to party” side.
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Oct 3, 2018 16:02
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Kibayasu posted:Explorers is great because Ben/Jake is always good and it features Bashir and O’Brien singing. It features Ben with both hair and goatee, his maximum level of power.
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Oct 3, 2018 16:04
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Al Borland Corpse posted:It features Ben with both hair and goatee, his maximum level of power. I thought that might be when that happened. It’s certainly his max Dad power.
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Oct 3, 2018 16:08
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Kibayasu posted:Explorers is great because Ben/Jake is always good and it features Bashir and O’Brien singing. True but every time the conversation gets going the unnecessary plot device of the rickety Bajoran poo poo barge falls apart again and we need another scene of the two of them rotating a pair of cranks laboriously.
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Oct 3, 2018 16:10
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I like both Explorers and Battle Lines, so she's 50/50. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCyowQs8dEA
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Oct 3, 2018 16:11
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womb with a view posted:True but every time the conversation gets going the unnecessary plot device of the rickety Bajoran poo poo barge falls apart again and we need another scene of the two of them rotating a pair of cranks laboriously. Smdh if you’ve never cranked with your dad
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Oct 3, 2018 16:12
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That's how they charge dilithium crystals The primary conflict of Mudd's Women, if the miners all get hotwives, they are not going to charge their crystals as much.
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Oct 3, 2018 16:13
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Gorelab posted:I do really like Garrak kinda being like 'really dude' to Bashir's 'Oh no I'm 30 now!' The ages of the characters always throws me the gently caress off, like I guess Kirk's supposed to be like 32 in S1 of TOS? And S1 Kira is supposed to be 26? Man, I've got some friends who are 32 and I wouldn't trust them with a starship. And I've got some friends who are 26 (and I wouldn't trust them with a houseplant).
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Oct 3, 2018 16:15
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Pick posted:The ages of the characters always throws me the gently caress off, like I guess Kirk's supposed to be like 32 in S1 of TOS? And S1 Kira is supposed to be 26? Man, I've got some friends who are 32 and I wouldn't trust them with a starship. And I've got some friends who are 26 (and I wouldn't trust them with a houseplant). Kira’s weird because Nana Visitor was like 35 in season 1 trying to pass for 26. I can buy Bashir being a 27 year old naive fuckboy at the beginning, though.
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Oct 3, 2018 16:18
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Pick posted:The ages of the characters always throws me the gently caress off, like I guess Kirk's supposed to be like 32 in S1 of TOS? Kirk being ridiculously young to captain is brought up as a point though.
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Oct 3, 2018 16:21
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HD DAD posted:Kira’s weird because Nana Visitor was like 35 in season 1 trying to pass for 26. I can buy Bashir being a 27 year old naive fuckboy at the beginning, though. Bashir is horny moron straight out of higher ed a.f., that's fine. It was more of a general statement. Like how there's a cut line from the pilot that implies that Odo might have been discovered in 2337, meaning he'd be 32 years post-nonsapient-goo and he's just all old man lookin' for some reason.
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Oct 3, 2018 16:22
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Pick posted:The ages of the characters always throws me the gently caress off, like I guess Kirk's supposed to be like 32 in S1 of TOS? And S1 Kira is supposed to be 26? Man, I've got some friends who are 32 and I wouldn't trust them with a starship. And I've got some friends who are 26 (and I wouldn't trust them with a houseplant). they let the 15-year old drive a starship the size of a city
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Oct 3, 2018 16:23
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womb with a view posted:True but every time the conversation gets going the unnecessary plot device of the rickety Bajoran poo poo barge falls apart again and we need another scene of the two of them rotating a pair of cranks laboriously. Gotta crank it to get ready for hammock time.
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Oct 3, 2018 16:24
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HD DAD posted:Kira’s weird because Nana Visitor was like 35 in season 1 trying to pass for 26. Also what's really crazy is Nana Visitor is like 60 and passing for 35 in reality
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Oct 3, 2018 16:26
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FabioClone posted:they let the 15-year old drive a starship the size of a city Well if we're going to accept "the Federation uses a neutral palette and references to Shakespeare to try to hide the fact that they're OSHA-breakin' space crazies" then yeah sure, but...!
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Oct 3, 2018 16:27
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Pick posted:Also what's really crazy is Nana Visitor is like 60 and passing for 35 in reality She looks like a 35 year old who just dyed her hair white as a joke. Woman’s got ridiculously good genes.
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Oct 3, 2018 16:29
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FabioClone posted:they let the 15-year old drive a starship the size of a city
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Oct 3, 2018 16:40
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It's not her fault a catamaran flew in the window
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Oct 3, 2018 16:48
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FabioClone posted:they let the 15-year old drive a starship the size of a city To be fair, I remember an offhand comment in the Next Generation episode “When The Bough Breaks” where, like, a fourth grader was studying calculus in class as part of the regular curriculum.
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Oct 3, 2018 17:31
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Pick posted:The ages of the characters always throws me the gently caress off, like I guess Kirk's supposed to be like 32 in S1 of TOS? And S1 Kira is supposed to be 26? Man, I've got some friends who are 32 and I wouldn't trust them with a starship. And I've got some friends who are 26 (and I wouldn't trust them with a houseplant). Wesley created an entire civilization for a school science project once
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corn in the bible posted:Wesley created an entire civilization for a school science project once Oh yeah, I remember that episode 
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MikeJF posted:The Federation neutral zone outposts are on the Federation border of the Neutral Zone. They don't have any actually inside it. TNG Contagion has not one but two Galaxy-class starships flying into the Neutral Zone on a hunch that there's TNG The Defector is... not quite without provocation, but is still essentially the Enterprise charging into the Neutral Zone to execute a pre-emptive strike against a suspected Romulan base. tigersklaw posted:I just finished watching TNG “The Minds Eye”, and I’m thinking, what is even the point of the Neutral Zone? The Romulans seemingly violate it everyday. And not just them entering the Zone, but blowing thru it and loving around in federation space. Like Geordi is flying to Risa and he gets abducted by a decloaked Bird of Prey, which would be like Russia sending a battleship up the Mississippi to kidnap fishing boats or something. The federation never does poo poo, or is never shown to do poo poo about this. I understand space is big etc, but why would anybody take you seriously if the treaties you sign are functionally worthless? Or is this just another example of the federation being the only ones who follow the rules (section 31 aside)? That actually seems fairly true to life to me, borders have been violated before (and will be violated again) without it precipitating a war. Escalation is very, very dangerous. The Federation would have to balance the risk of the incident escalating into a war against the benefit of reprisal. What kind of retaliation would make the Romulans less likely to violate the border in the future, while also not risking a war? Also, the Romulans aren't the only game in town; theoretically, in negotiations with other space nations (especially ones that may border the Romulans), the Federation could point to their border with the Romulans and say "hey, look, we actually abide by our treaties; who would you rather deal with?"
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The Treaty of Algeron is pretty BS in how it lets the Romulans use cloaking tech but bars the Federation from doing the same. The UFP can’t even research it according to ‘The Pegasus’
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FlamingLiberal posted:The Treaty of Algeron is pretty BS in how it lets the Romulans use cloaking tech but bars the Federation from doing the same. The UFP can’t even research it according to ‘The Pegasus’ A lot of treaties are like that. It was just a Status Quo lock. I think it was presumed that the Feds had a lot more ships and people and the cloak leveled the playing field anyhow
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Oct 3, 2018 19:40
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FlamingLiberal posted:The Treaty of Algeron is pretty BS in how it lets the Romulans use cloaking tech but bars the Federation from doing the same. The UFP can’t even research it according to ‘The Pegasus’ Exclusivity on cloaking tech is not very useful, since maintaining the status quo on it locks you into a red queen's race with federation sensor tech. But federation sensor tech upgrades have all sorts of additional uses beyond detecting cloaked ships. So the romulans spend their research budget keeping the status quo, and the federation can detect an individual's DNA in a different solar system.
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Oct 3, 2018 19:46
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Tunicate posted:the federation can detect an individual's DNA in a different solar system. And then beam it right out of them from across the quadrant, maybe
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Tunicate posted:Exclusivity on cloaking tech is not very useful, since maintaining the status quo on it locks you into a red queen's race with federation sensor tech. Hell, even DS9's sensors can pick up cloaked Romulan ships, as seen in that one episode where O'Brien gets body-swapped with O'Brien from several hours in the future.
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Oct 3, 2018 19:50
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Pinterest Mom posted:Hell, even DS9's sensors can pick up cloaked Romulan ships, as seen in that one episode where O'Brien gets body-swapped with O'Brien from several hours in the future. Not a fair comparison because once O'Brien gets his hands on them, the sensors can probably detect the idea of a cloaked ship in the fluidic space Mirror Universe. Unless it's the Dominion and/or the plot calls for it, obviously
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The Bloop posted:Not a fair comparison because once O'Brien gets his hands on them, the sensors can probably detect the idea of a cloaked ship in the fluidic space Mirror Universe. “Captain, sensors are detecting we’re a fictional universe being observed over television” Everyone turns and stares into the camera for 41 minutes
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HD DAD posted:“Captain, sensors are detecting we’re a fictional universe being observed over television” 
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FlamingLiberal posted:The Treaty of Algeron is pretty BS in how it lets the Romulans use cloaking tech but bars the Federation from doing the same. The UFP can’t even research it according to ‘The Pegasus’ It's a justification for Roddenberry saying the Federation shouldn't have cloaking. According to him, cloaking and sneaking around are things bad guys do. Not things good guys do. The Treaty of Algeron was invented to shut up the nerds asking why the Enterprise didn't have a cloak.
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Cythereal posted:It's a justification for Roddenberry saying the Federation shouldn't have cloaking. According to him, cloaking and sneaking around are things bad guys do. Not things good guys do. The Treaty of Algeron was invented to shut up the nerds asking why the Enterprise didn't have a cloak. The Enterprise is a Paladin The Excelsior is a Cleric The Defiant is a Fighter Romulan Warbird is an Assassin Klingon BoP is a Rogue USS Voyager is a bard
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