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And not even getting into that any appeal the Beast has is meant to be coincidental (they put effort into a visual medium to make the Beast look good because, well, visual medium) given the whole point is meant to be that it's a punishment, with the ending being the Beast returned to a human being. It's the old canard that it's basically Belle is expected to be a therapist/replacement mommy that he eventually gets to gently caress. There's layers to how hosed up this gets. Reminded of how you rarely but notable sometimes see the opposite; where the Beauty chooses to become a Beast as well because being a beast is awesome. (mostly thinking the ending of Twilight) I figure the best analogy here is marrying into the 1%. About the only time you ever see this beauty and beast/beautiful beast pairing result in what could be called a healthy and functional relationship is in, of course, porn comics. (where a downright saccharine happy ending is part of the appeal)
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And uh... Shrek sorta, funny enough
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I figure the best analogy here is marrying into the 1%. Arguably, so is Bella in Twilight.
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Oct 7, 2018 15:30
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Stop talking about comics and your fanfiction and go see Smallfoot.
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Alhazred posted:Arguably, so is Bella in Twilight. Yeah, I wasn't particularly reaching there. The Cullens did make the Forbes Fictional 15.
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Oct 7, 2018 16:46
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Bella did not just join the Cullens, she took over and led them against the aristocracy/patriarchy for her reproductive rights.
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Oct 7, 2018 17:08
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I was, however, really surprised by two plot points in Smallfoot: 1) the yetis and humans can't talk to each other, there's an actual language barrier! 2) god is dead.
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Alhazred posted:Arguably, so is Bella in Twilight. The MSJ posted:Bella did not just join the Cullens, she took over and led them against the aristocracy/patriarchy for her reproductive rights. The Twilight films are shockingly nuanced given they were originally saddled with this knee-jerk interpretation about how, like, they're a Mormon woman's psychotic fantasy about how abuse = love. All of those things turn out to just be caveats of the beauty/beast formula. But then the actual ongoing story is pretty much a meta-narrative representing the history of colonial white feminism. The decision to take the Underworld premise of Vampires vs. Werewolves and turn it into a not even veiled metaphor for colonial whites versus colonized first nations is particularly inspired.
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Even stephanie meyer doesn't loving care about twilight any more
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I'm kinda having fun thinking about the how narrative implications of B&tB could be changed with a gender-swap, honestly. You could move the whole thing a bit forward from "loving yourself through kindness to others" to "loving yourself through emotional communication" since society at large still has that itty-bitty problem of considering women illogical emotional hysterics and men less manly if they FEEL THING. Beast could be punished for failing to act as a proper lady and close herself off, Beau could be the town weirdo for not being a Gaston. That muddles Gaston's villainy if he's still into Beau despite societal expectations, but the complication also makes their bad relationship more interesting. Maybe explore the idea that men can be exploited too and Beau's just intelligent enough to understand that holy gently caress, that's a thing. And then Beast falls in love with Beau because he treats her as an equal and Beau falls in love with Beast because she celebrates his emotional honesty. She comes to terms with the idea fairy is a that for punishing her in the first place and learns how to have emotions again through Beau. I dunno, s'fun to work out the idea. Gets a little ice queeny, maybe, but the message winds up a different.
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The female equivalent of Beauty and the Beast is, like, 500 Days of Summer or whatever. The female fantasy is fixing a dude, the male fantasy is the ungettable girl.
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porfiria posted:The female equivalent of Beauty and the Beast is, like, 500 Days of Summer or whatever. The female fantasy is fixing a dude, the male fantasy is the ungettable girl. This, I sincerely hate. This notion that man are always one way, and women always one other. Let this idea burn at the stake, and save a pinch of ashes for me.
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porfiria posted:The female equivalent of Beauty and the Beast is, like, 500 Days of Summer or whatever. The female fantasy is fixing a dude, the male fantasy is the ungettable girl. I'm a female and I was going for the more relatable, "This person treats me like a human and isn't afraid to be one," but sure. Fix All Men.
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Goooo seee Smaaaalllfoooootttt, everything we love to complain about is addressed in exquisite and profound detail in extremely-good-movie-status film, Smallllfoooooottttt
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porfiria posted:The female equivalent of Beauty and the Beast is, like, 500 Days of Summer or whatever. The female fantasy is fixing a dude, the male fantasy is the ungettable girl. Ew. Das Boo posted:I'm kinda having fun thinking about the how narrative implications of B&tB could be changed with a gender-swap, honestly. You could move the whole thing a bit forward from "loving yourself through kindness to others" to "loving yourself through emotional communication" since society at large still has that itty-bitty problem of considering women illogical emotional hysterics and men less manly if they FEEL THING. Beast could be punished for failing to act as a proper lady and close herself off, Beau could be the town weirdo for not being a Gaston. That muddles Gaston's villainy if he's still into Beau despite societal expectations, but the complication also makes their bad relationship more interesting. Maybe explore the idea that men can be exploited too and Beau's just intelligent enough to understand that holy gently caress, that's a thing. Nice. Pick posted:Stop talking about comics and your fanfiction and go see Smallfoot. Ok! Fine! Geez! I'll see it tonight1
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Pick posted:Goooo seee Smaaaalllfoooootttt, everything we love to complain about is addressed in exquisite and profound detail in extremely-good-movie-status film, Smallllfoooooottttt I've heard James Corden is in it, though.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I've heard James Corden is in it, though. I know nothing about him beyond that he does the voice acting for Percy, and the voice acting for that character is really good.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I've heard James Corden is in it, though. Yeah, that’s a big no for me too.
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Take that, diverse cast! Someone who was also involved in the production somehow did some sort of thing Pick's not aware of, and for that, your entire enterprise shall sink below the sea of Minions! 
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What did James Corden do Also I don't plan on watching Smallfoot until it's out of theaters, i'm sorry pick none of the trailers or clips are doin it for me. the karaoke clip did not convince me in fact it sort of did the opposite
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Capitalism destroys people who initially meant well  There's this super weird thread that Incredibly Online people hate references to the internet in any other media, but hey, the internet isn't "ours" any more, it's literally the most mainstream dimension of modern culture. The fact that an old-school Steve Irwin-type can't complete in modern-day "12 second vine clip" world is a real concern for real biologists. Hell, look at the Monterrey Bay marine center tweet meme about whether to embrace memes. (And that, financially, Steve Irwin dying horribly and the associated press was probably the only thing that saved his baby, Australia Zoo.) The main failing is that he's shown as looking in his 30s when he's strongly implied to be wayyy older. At least he doesn't have a romantic dimension with his assistant, who absolutely rebuffs the idea of selling out. They probably would have used Attenborough if old people focus-grouped well. Sorry if your parents are still paying your rent, it's tough out there for grown-ups  .
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Pick posted:Go see Smallfoot, why are you guys not talking about it more, it’s like the best animated film of the last 3 years easily????? Right!? Right!? I always give big ups to a picture that surprises me, and I haven't been this surprised by a kids movie since Megamind, I think. It still kind of boggles my mind that such a completely low-key movie being sold as a cute, colorful way to waste an hour and change is such a superior version of the same story Wreck-It Ralph tried and ultimately failed to tell. Pick posted:e: And the song about the flow of information is completely loving sick, that entire scene is killer. That's one of the best scenes I've ever seen in an animated film.  The use of color, the cinematography and set design*... I'm really, really tempted to just post the entire thing here as an object lesson of This Is How You Do That Sort Of Thing, but that would be a massive spoiler and I do want this film to do well so they make more like it. (But if you absolutely must find out what the big deal is... the song's name is Let It Lie. Beware spoilers)*One of the best things about this movie is how nice the Yeti community is to look at pretty much all the time, every aspect just bursting with creativity and humor.
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resurgam40 posted:(But if you absolutely must find out what the big deal is... the song's name is Let It Lie. Beware spoilers) Even the title is such a sweet fuckin double entendre. Common hit it so hard, dude should get a whatever-award for best thingie. e: quote:Every job and every task is pointless as it seems. 
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Oct 8, 2018 00:35
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Most of the people still reading comics at this point are thoroughly Stockholm Syndrome'd. Yeah I stopped reading Marvel after Civil War and DC after Blackest Night and nothing I've seen since has made me regret it.
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Smallfoot is literally in my ParaNorman-tier. No wonder it isn't making any money  .
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The only two comic books I read right now are Unbeatable Squirrel Girl and Giant Days. Both are awesome. I was reading Adventure Time when Ryan North was writing it, that was pretty good. He's actually the reason I read USG, dude knows how to make me laugh.
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I really don't want to look at those yeti designs for a whole movie. It's probably the lack of noses. I do enjoy the animation flourishes, though. But the biggest problem is probably that I, and everyone I've asked, had no idea this movie existed.
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I've never heard of a single institution that wanted to depress anti-capitalist media properties that encourage people to ask questions about the systems in which they pointlessly languish 
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K. Waste posted:The decision to take the Underworld premise of Vampires vs. Werewolves and turn it into a not even veiled metaphor for colonial whites versus colonized first nations is particularly inspired. The premise of Vampires vs Werewolves did not originate in Underworld.
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Charlz Guybon posted:The premise of Vampires vs Werewolves did not originate in Underworld. I didn't say Underworld did it first. But you better believe that that's probably what influenced Twilight, especially the film, most heavily. Like, I'm sure there's probably some video game or board game or other poo poo I shouldn't care about that did a whole thing about monster syndicates having clandestine wars against one another, but if we're talking the purview of Twilight, Underworld is a totally obvious source of inspiration. Other than that, I'm not including just monster mash stuff like House of Frankenstein or low budget Spanish films that are literally just "one kind of monster fights another" with none of the later motifs of basically being mafia/spy agencies and their attendant escalation of themes of class, race, and sexuality.
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Welp, turns out Pick was right: Smallfoot is really good. Way better than the commercials made it seem: It's one of those ambitious children's films that tries to break down a complex issue into a simple lesson that kids can understand, and it actually manages to accomplish that extremely well. In this case the issues they're teaching kids are the importance of questioning societal dogma and that seeking the truth, even if the truth you find is scary or unpleasant, is an inherently noble and benevolent act that will ultimately benefit society as a whole. Did you pick up on any of that from the commercials? No? Yeah, me either. Also: It's a musical, and a surprisingly good one. I didn't pick up on that from the commercials either. I strongly recommend going to see it, it's worth watching and supporting.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Also: It's a musical, and a surprisingly good one. I didn't pick up on that from the commercials either. I'm not surprised at all as James Corden is a good singer. There's rumors of him being an awful person otherwise...but he's still a good singer.
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K. Waste posted:I didn't say Underworld did it first. But you better believe that that's probably what influenced Twilight, especially the film, most heavily. Underworld's vampire-werewolf conflict and general astethetic is heavily influenced by the world of darkness roleplaying games (Vampire the Masquerade, etc) of the 90s.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Welp, turns out Pick was right: Smallfoot is really good. Way better than the commercials made it seem: Thanks Space Cadet 
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My favourite James Corden story:quote:Half an hour into a New York to London flight, passengers in business class noticed a woman with a crying baby being brought through the curtains by a flight attendant. They looked on in mild horror as they saw the attendant direct her into an empty seat next to... James Corden.
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The_Doctor posted:My favourite James Corden story: Did you ever see that video of him having a row with Patrick Stewart on stage at an awards show?
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Renoistic posted:I really don't want to look at those yeti designs for a whole movie. It's probably the lack of noses. OK, OK, I'm trying to be non-committal about all this, but between this comics and at least one really special review on RT, the art nerd in me has just flared the gently caress up. Why are some people hung up on the drat nose thing? It's an artistic style! It's not like they're going for photo-realism here, as there are no real yetis to take reference from. It's not even like they're the first artists in history to downplay the nose or even leave it out; the Japanese, for example, have entire artistic styles in which the nose is not particularly pronounced, mostly on women to match the standards of beauty but sometimes on the men too (I'm talking mostly about ukiyo-e paintings, or even some of the later Shin Hanga style paintings of the early 20th). Is all that art to be dismissed too, because they got no noses, or there are mystical creatures that don't exist, or the painted scenes don't even seem to be taking place on any sort of ground (Floating World, don'tcha know)? You can see this art-style's influence in the videogame art of Yoshitaka Amano, which in turn influences the other art of Final fantasy... Are you saying you aren't going to play Final Fantasy Tactics, one of the greatest PS1 FF games and a contender for greatest overall FF game, because no noses? Look, if most yetis had noses and one or two did not and this discrepancy went unremarked upon, that would be one thing; you might call that sloppy or arguably another statement, depending on how it is portrayed. But just complaining about no noses because no noses is like complaining about musicals having coordinated song and dance numbers because "real people don't do that." And it's like... Yeah? No poo poo? You have found an Unrealistic Element- whaddya want, a medal? It's just the conventions of the genre, and if you get fixated on that sort of thing, you're going to have a hard time with that genre.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Underworld's vampire-werewolf conflict and general astethetic is heavily influenced by the world of darkness roleplaying games (Vampire the Masquerade, etc) of the 90s. And also the writer's experiences with interracial dating.
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A new clip from the third How To Train Your Dragon. I'm not happy about this, it sounds like they've retconned Stoic's character so now he believed there was always a way to create peace between humans and dragons and thought his son was full of potential. Whereas in the first movie he thinks dragons are all awful and his son is a weakling. https://twitter.com/DWAnimation/status/1048985052523114496 Like it's vague enough with what he says that he could mean "you'll go to the hidden world and kill all the dragons" but there's no trace of violence in his words so it just feels like lazy setup achieved through a character that shouldn't have those beliefs.
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