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MaxPowers posted:I actually wonder if I can sue who ever keeps putting the anti gun bills for WA. The last one was GUN SAFETY CHECKS and it passed and now https://www.initiative1639.org/ they are doing another bill to fund the last one and impose terrible terrible unconstitutional rules and taxes. Legit dont believe it will pass, but I didnt think I594 would pass either. You can sue anyone for anything. And you can count on the NRA and their slavering hordes to sue over any and all gun control laws.
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 13:27 |
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# ? May 27, 2024 03:32 |
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MaxPowers posted:I actually wonder if I can sue who ever keeps putting the anti gun bills for WA. The last one was GUN SAFETY CHECKS and it passed and now https://www.initiative1639.org/ they are doing another bill to fund the last one and impose terrible terrible unconstitutional rules and taxes. Legit dont believe it will pass, but I didnt think I594 would pass either. Yeah it's critical we keep the tools for murdering children in schools available.
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 14:02 |
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MaxPowers posted:I actually wonder if I can sue who ever keeps putting the anti gun bills for WA. The last one was GUN SAFETY CHECKS and it passed and now https://www.initiative1639.org/ they are doing another bill to fund the last one and impose terrible terrible unconstitutional rules and taxes. Legit dont believe it will pass, but I didnt think I594 would pass either. Lol I wasnt sure how I was voting on that one, but I know now.
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 14:06 |
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To be fair, Democrats are really good at finding the most racist gun legislation to push forward.
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 14:15 |
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George posted:To be fair, Democrats are really good at finding the most racist gun legislation to push forward. Its real great that the corporate dems are fighting the one fight that will push even more people away from their toxic asses. White collar / Wall Street crime? nope. Health care? Nope. (Dental care? Ha!) Expanded social security? Nope. Wealth inequality? Nope. Reversing the eternal war machine? Nope. Hey fellows! Lets talk about guns!
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 16:01 |
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FRINGE posted:Its real great that the corporate dems are fighting the one fight that will push even more people away from their toxic asses. Definitely the mental health issues that are the problem.
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 16:07 |
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Thanatosian posted:Yeah, it's a shame we have so many more mental health issues than all those countries everywhere else that don't have anywhere near as many shootings. A sound strategy! Lets not waste the next two years of dem hand wringing and deflection, we can just cut to the end. Trump 2020. By losing to them again, surely this time the rightwing war-and-profit machine will be guilted into submission!
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 16:15 |
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Thanatosian posted:Yeah, it's a shame we have so many more mental health issues than all those countries everywhere else that don't have anywhere near as many shootings. I don’t have guns and won’t have one in my home, just to be clear on my stance. Gun violence (actually all violence) is on a downward trend, not because we’re increasing regulation heavily or enforcing laws more strictly. The fact is that violence, yes even gun violence, is less common than ever. So why is there a big push to regulate guns in the general population more even though it’s not getting worse? Police steadily murder people every year, some years their violence even increases. Why aren’t we seeing more regulation with regards to law enforcement? I think the point being made is that there are lots of other big problems, why are democrats going after one that’s getting smaller? Personally, I wish there were gun nuts who were stockpiling to fight to protect people like me. Unfortunately the types to stockpile in this country have a problem with people like me. So I’ll probably vote to increase regulations but only because I’m afraid a “militia” is going to show up at my door one day if things keep going how they are.
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 16:21 |
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ElCondemn posted:I don’t have guns and won’t have one in my home, just to be clear on my stance. I mean, it isn't like a group of violent white supremacists weren't just caught with a cache of guns and ammo near a protest recently
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 16:45 |
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FRINGE posted:Its real great that the corporate dems are fighting the one fight that will push even more people away from their toxic asses. Funny you mention dental care, given that you think water fluoridation is nothing more than a big loving joke. But sure, it's totally within the realm of state and municipal governments to expand social security or reduce the size of the military. And yet no credit is given to our AG who actively fights this poo poo every chance he gets and is rather successful nor to the local politicians who are actively fighting and gaining ground for progressive causes. This whole "I'm going to move the goalposts between different levels of government and competently different states, find the bad dem, then tar every dem the same way while ignoring the systemic damage being done by anyone with an R at the end of their name" is becoming incredibly tiring. Last year when I looked at the two candidates for mayor of Everett, both were progressives focused on housing the homeless, but no one gives a poo poo about that because Chuck Schumer said something loving dumb and has no power in the Senate as minority leader. Maybe spend some loving time elevating those who are fighting the good fight instead of this nothing matters bullshit.
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 16:46 |
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My biggest problem with gun control is when people start talking about criminalizing or penalizing ownership of guns. Especially 'liberals' or other people on the left. The second we start doing that who gets affected the most? Just like with anything else thats criminalized, like drugs, its going to affect brown people the most and joe blow fat white dude will still have thirty assault rifles in his basement that his kid can grab and go shoot up a school because his daddy beats him.
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 16:54 |
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Longshore strike at pier 86 today.
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 17:13 |
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Solkanar512 posted:Funny you mention dental care, given that you think water fluoridation is nothing more than a big loving joke. AG gets credit. The problem with even a firebrand Democratic legislator is that they vote for Frank Chopp for majority leader, and Frank Chopp is a useless loving centrist. This useless loving centrist then proceeds to set the agenda entirely; it doesn't really matter if you'd vote to expand Applecare into a full-fledged public option, if the only thing Frank Chopp brings up to vote is whether to completely gut ST, or just to mostly gut ST3.
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 17:45 |
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Doorknob Slobber posted:My biggest problem with gun control is when people start talking about criminalizing or penalizing ownership of guns. Especially 'liberals' or other people on the left. The second we start doing that who gets affected the most? Just like with anything else thats criminalized, like drugs, its going to affect brown people the most and joe blow fat white dude will still have thirty assault rifles in his basement that his kid can grab and go shoot up a school because his daddy beats him. so we can't do anything until we reform the criminal justice system to be less crushing against poc?
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 17:53 |
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ElCondemn posted:So why is there a big push to regulate guns in the general population more even though it’s not getting worse? 2. US gun homicide rates are still abnormally high for a developed country.
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 17:55 |
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Cicero posted:1. Racist and sexist attitudes are also on a long-term downward trend, that doesn't mean doing something about oppressive systems is a bad idea. Guns pose a self harm risk.
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 17:58 |
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Doorknob Slobber posted:My biggest problem with gun control is when people start talking about criminalizing or penalizing ownership of guns. Especially 'liberals' or other people on the left. The second we start doing that who gets affected the most? Just like with anything else thats criminalized, like drugs, its going to affect brown people the most and joe blow fat white dude will still have thirty assault rifles in his basement that his kid can grab and go shoot up a school because his daddy beats him. But nobody is earnestly pushing criminalizing guns? The most I ever see people pushing is registration and such.
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 17:58 |
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Solkanar512 posted:Funny you mention dental care, given that you think water fluoridation is nothing more than a big loving joke. Literally nobody is saying “nothing matters” but you, people are saying “Democrats are poo poo for reasons A, B, C, and D”, and have even given examples of what could be done better, who’s doing it, and ways to help, all of which would be better than what Democrats are offering. And “fighting the good fight?” Get the gently caress over this nonsense, it’s meaningless when the fighting is throwing some limp slaps in the middle of a knife fight.
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 18:00 |
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Thaddius the Large posted:Literally nobody is saying “nothing matters” but you, people are saying “Democrats are poo poo for reasons A, B, C, and D”, and have even given examples of what could be done better, who’s doing it, and ways to help, all of which would be better than what Democrats are offering. And “fighting the good fight?” Get the gently caress over this nonsense, it’s meaningless when the fighting is throwing some limp slaps in the middle of a knife fight.
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 18:13 |
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anthonypants posted:Look, sometimes fighting the good fight means refusing to put addressing climate change on your party's platform.
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 19:01 |
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https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/411766-dems-damp-down-hopes-for-climate-change-agenda
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Doorknob Slobber posted:https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/411766-dems-damp-down-hopes-for-climate-change-agenda Wouldn't Trump automatically veto any climate change bills anyway?
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 19:11 |
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Peachfart posted:Wouldn't Trump automatically veto any climate change bills anyway?
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 20:17 |
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ElCondemn posted:Personally, I wish there were gun nuts who were stockpiling to fight to protect people like me. Unfortunately the types to stockpile in this country have a problem with people like me. So I’ll probably vote to increase regulations but only because I’m afraid a “militia” is going to show up at my door one day if things keep going how they are. Not necessarily an endorsement of these groups (I have issues with RR), but: https://www.redneckrevolt.org/ or the John Brown Gun Club https://www.socialistra.org/
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 22:15 |
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Oscar Wild posted:Guns pose a self harm risk. Which reduces the numbers of gun owners.
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 23:21 |
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RuanGacho posted:Lol I just hope people read the bill before they vote yes on it. Some P R E T T Y scary wording in there. But I guess if you dont care about your constitutional rights *shrug?*
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 23:43 |
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the constitution is overrated
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# ? Oct 17, 2018 23:56 |
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The Constitution still permits slavery.
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# ? Oct 18, 2018 00:04 |
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MaxPowers posted:I just hope people read the bill before they vote yes on it. Some P R E T T Y scary wording in there. But I guess if you dont care about your constitutional rights *shrug?* Just pretend I went and found that Krieger comic that says guns are for pussies
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# ? Oct 18, 2018 00:06 |
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People who extol the US Constitution can shampoo my crotch.
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# ? Oct 18, 2018 00:12 |
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MaxPowers posted:I just hope people read the bill before they vote yes on it. Some P R E T T Y scary wording in there. But I guess if you dont care about your constitutional rights *shrug?* Through the night you will hear a whirring followed by the crashing sound of a large piece of machinery. After a few minutes you'll hear a clattering of metal as they tumble into the furnace. Then the sound repeats anew. Whirrr Crash Clatter Whirr Crash Clatter 【ALL THE GUNS ARE GONE】
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# ? Oct 18, 2018 03:23 |
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Conservatives: "Watch out! Liberals wan't to take your guns away!" Liberals: "That's a lie! We aren't going to take guns away!" Also liberals: "The constitution is outdated. We should do away with the second amendment so we can ban guns."
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# ? Oct 18, 2018 03:37 |
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Heh. Got em.
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# ? Oct 18, 2018 03:43 |
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therobit posted:Conservatives: "Watch out! Liberals wan't to take your guns away!"
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# ? Oct 18, 2018 03:50 |
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G E T Y O U R O W N !
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# ? Oct 18, 2018 03:57 |
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P R E T T Y scary
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# ? Oct 18, 2018 04:18 |
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https://patriothole.clickhole.com/blammo-when-the-bad-man-came-into-the-house-the-gun-w-1828638408
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# ? Oct 18, 2018 04:29 |
If you vote yes on 1639 you're a loving cop
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# ? Oct 18, 2018 05:22 |
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RuanGacho posted:Through the night you will hear a whirring followed by the crashing sound of a large piece of machinery. After a few minutes you'll hear a clattering of metal as they tumble into the furnace. Then the sound repeats anew. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibEdgQJEdTA
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im on the net me boys posted:If you vote yes on 1639 you're a loving cop It looks pretty basic, and seems to make our laws a bit closer to Australia's, which doesn't seem like a bad thing. Can you explain why this initiative is bad?
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