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Office Pig posted:You know it was extremely obvious there were going to be people celebrating Greenwald's imminent death in the Trump thread and yet it somehow hasn't diminished in how utterly revolting it is to actually see it.
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Office Pig posted:You know it was extremely obvious there were going to be people celebrating Greenwald's imminent death in the Trump thread and yet it somehow hasn't diminished in how utterly revolting it is to actually see it. wait, there's actually people cheering for someone to die at the hand of fascist death squads in the trump thread?
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Oct 28, 2018 23:45
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Condiv posted:wait, there's actually people cheering for someone to die at the hand of fascist death squads in the trump thread? There was. I’m going to summarily execute anyone who does now that I’ve issued a warning.
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Oct 28, 2018 23:48
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Office Pig posted:You know it was extremely obvious there were going to be people celebrating Greenwald's imminent death in the Trump thread and yet it somehow hasn't diminished in how utterly revolting it is to actually see it.  as much as i find him a contrarian rear end, i do hope he and his family are safe. Brazil is loving scary right now.
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Oct 28, 2018 23:48
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Frightening Knight posted:There was. I’m going to summarily execute anyone who does now that I’ve issued a warning. guess they can't help but emulate trump after obsessing over him so much edit: thinking on this more, you should just summarily execute the trump thread. the fact that it's become so toxic that people are actually cheering the rise of fascism cause it means a guy they don't like might be killed or tortured is damning enough for any thread i would think Condiv fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Oct 28, 2018 |
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Oct 28, 2018 23:50
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Freakazoid_ posted:I think not talking about the shooting in the uspol thread was a good thing, because the gun control debate tends to override whatever other discussions were being had and gets incredibly messy every single time. The gun control thread is even deader than USPol is, though, and hasn't discussed the shootings at all. Having two entire threads exclusively for whatever subjects happen to be arbitrarily excluded from the Trump thread was too much, and they both died off almost completely when the Trump thread was too busy with real news to go around kicking people out. Let's face it - at this point, there's no real difference between the USPol thread and the Thunderdome thread. The impetus for me making that post in USPol was that I had to look for discussion of the synagogue shooting, because I couldn't tell from the D&D forum index which thread would contain it. It wasn't in USPol or USPol Thunderdome, it wasn't in the gun control thread, it wasn't in its own thread, and everything else on the D&D frontpage is either local/regional threads or generic subjectless chat threads. I even looked in GBS to see if there was a thread about it there (the answer was yes, but posting in it was a probatable offense). In the end, the only place I could find in D&D that was talking about it was the Trump thread. The attack didn't really have anything to do with Trump, but that's the only thread I could find in all of D&D that had more than five posts about the attack.
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Oct 28, 2018 23:52
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Condiv posted:guess they can't help but emulate trump after obsessing over him so much More people calling them out than encouraging it so im not sure why you act like the whole thread is doing it. Drag the lovely ones, but you seem to paint with a mile wide brush. Did greenwald discuss his reasons for staying? I know he really likes brazil, but he has to see the writing on the wall. Has he said anything about it?
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Oct 28, 2018 23:54
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Well... https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1056679600347119616
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Oct 28, 2018 23:55
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:More people calling them out than encouraging it so im not sure why you act like the whole thread is doing it. Drag the lovely ones, but you seem to paint with a mile wide brush. i don't go in there. i'm sure it's just a few, fascism-loving bad apples though
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Oct 28, 2018 23:58
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Condiv posted:i don't go in there. i'm sure it's just a few, fascism-loving bad apples though Oh ok.
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Oct 29, 2018 00:00
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Condiv posted:i don't go in there. i'm sure it's just a few, fascism-loving bad apples though Heck Yes! Loam! posted:More people calling them out than encouraging it so im not sure why you act like the whole thread is doing it. Drag the lovely ones, but you seem to paint with a mile wide brush.
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Oct 29, 2018 00:03
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Huh? I did a search for Greenwald health and got nothing.
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Oct 29, 2018 00:09
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HootTheOwl posted:Huh? I did a search for Greenwald health and got nothing. he's not sick. his family is in brazil, and a fascist was just elected president
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Oct 29, 2018 00:11
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Nobody has said this. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I love that you all have successfully internally othered the entire Trump thread into an evil centrist hivemind. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Nobody thinks this way, and you are sad and borken. No that is not a typo. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Who said that? They should be mocked Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I don't understand this straw man. My read on the thread general mindset is that an only a small minority (fulchrum, JC, who else?) would support a bloomberg run. What's the point of the trump thread characterization and treating it as a hive mind? Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Please show us. Let's see these horrific posts and their disastrous effect on the discourse! Heck Yes! Loam! posted:This is great stuff. I'm sure every post he makes in the trump thread has resulted in a probation if that's the case. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Do you have evidence of this, or do you just like to smear people you disagree with as the wealthy because it makes you feel superior? Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I am not aware of any prominent liberals that are saying otherwise, i'd love to see some examples so I can add them to my list of people to hate. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:More people calling them out than encouraging it so im not sure why you act like the whole thread is doing it. Drag the lovely ones, but you seem to paint with a mile wide brush. your gimmick loving sucks
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Oct 29, 2018 00:13
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Yeah I've been trying to help HY! L! with his pattern-matching skills but he's a difficult student.
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Malleum posted:your gimmick loving sucks I really just don't understand why posters in this thread treat the trump thread as an evil hivemind. I haven't gotten a good explanation from anyone to any of those requests for examples or further discussion. Condiv literally said "I don't read it" and then decided that everyone who posts in it must be mimicking trump for some reason? It's a bizarre thought process. Kilroy posted:hey man they don't love fascism but if fascism does the dirty work for them every once in a while, well credit where credit is due amirite? Kilroy is just being kilroy so there's no explanation needed for that. The rest however seem to just knee jerk general hate at "The trump thread" and anyone who posts in it. Maybe i'm completely wrong, but this is what I see, so I try and understand it. This goes back to the discussion of how the threads should be structured. it seems that many are generally upset that the trump thread is where most of the posting is occurring, but they don't want to participate because of it being some sort of evil other to them. Why not just merge the threads and see what happens? What's the worst that could happen?
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I really just don't understand why posters in this thread treat the trump thread as an evil hivemind. I haven't gotten a good explanation from anyone to any of those requests for examples or further discussion. Condiv literally said "I don't read it" and then decided that everyone who posts in it must be mimicking trump for some reason? It's a bizarre thought process. You're sealioning and it's awful.
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Oct 29, 2018 00:41
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I really just don't understand why posters in this thread treat the trump thread as an evil hivemind. I haven't gotten a good explanation from anyone to any of those requests for examples or further discussion. Condiv literally said "I don't read it" and then decided that everyone who posts in it must be mimicking trump for some reason? It's a bizarre thought process. if you actually look at my posts you'll see i never said that the whole trump thread was full of fascism-lovers just that it breeds facism-lovers
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Oct 29, 2018 00:41
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Matt Zerella posted:You're sealioning and it's awful. Sorry, I'll stop. honestly not my intention and i'l try to avoid doing it in the future. I am earnestly interested in how we got here, but i'm obviously making it worse.
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Oct 29, 2018 00:42
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Sorry, I'll stop. honestly not my intention and i'l try to avoid doing it in the future. I am earnestly interested in how we got here, but i'm obviously making it worse. saving this for tomorrow when you inevitably kramer back in
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Oct 29, 2018 00:48
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The worst part of the centrist crew is the pathetic attempts at gaslighting.
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last time i tried to participate in the trump thread someone gifted me a nazi avatar for suggesting that maybe, just maybe, we should reflect on our leadership when it became obvious that a bunch of immigration atrocities happened under obama. you see, that stuff got dragged out into the open because of the poo poo trump was pulling, and because everyone kept mistaking photos of obama era detention facilities and practices as the stuff trump was doing. of course, the trump thread posters insisted that there could be no discussion of what obama did cause we had to push back against trump right now and stop him, and afterwards we could take inventory of what happened under the democratic administration of 2008-2016.
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Malleum posted:saving this for tomorrow when you inevitably kramer back in Like I said, I will try to avoid doing it more, and thank you for pointing out a repetitive bad posting habit.
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Okay HY! L! since you're obviously not even going to try, the correct answer is that the mood of the Trump thread is such that people feel comfortable posting that sort of terrible poo poo in it in the first place, and more than just the people doing the posting are responsible for fostering that kind of environment. You, for example, contribute to it. "Just Kilroy being Kilroy" yes, just me being me, pointing out for you in detail why your takes are consistently bad - offering a helping hand, which you consistently swat away 
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Oct 29, 2018 00:54
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Matt Zerella posted:You're sealioning and it's awful. Sealioning?
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HootTheOwl posted:Sealioning? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
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HootTheOwl posted:Sealioning?  a chance to post Wondermark missed, a shameful post
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Kilroy posted:Okay HY! L! since you're obviously not even going to try, the correct answer is that the mood of the Trump thread is such that people feel comfortable posting that sort of terrible poo poo in it in the first place, and more than just the people doing the posting are responsible for fostering that kind of environment. You, for example, contribute to it. Malleum and Matt Zerella made a pretty good argument that my posting style was bad and repetitive. I can listen to that type of argument and learn from it. You just want to insult it seems like. I think that the people posting in that manner RE: greenwald felt comfortable enough to do so is definitely an issue as well. Perhaps the answer is to close all the current threads and merge them into one new US thread? I apologize if you felt i was contributing to that discourse by dismissing you like that. I've bumbled into this type of conversation multiple times, so it is likely more of an issue with me than not. I still think the othernering of the trump thread is weird, and don't understand it.
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He's not sealioning since he's rarely the one making the original bad post in the first place. Like, HY! L! sucks, but he's not the sort to go gloat about someone getting killed or otherwise cheer when fascism wins if it means the left loses. That's Fulchrum - get your bad posters straight, please. HY! L!'s gimmick is never learning, ever, despite eventually coming around to the correct take after it's spelled out for him by multiple posters perhaps across two or more separate threads. That's why whenever he's like "hmmm yes such-and-such a thing is Really Bad after all, it seems" you should not take that as an indication that he'll recognize the next Bad Thing when it comes around, because he has no pattern matching skills as such. And as I mentioned upthread, I've been doing my best to help out, but he's a pretty terrible student  Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Malleum and Matt Zerella made a pretty good argument that my posting style was bad and repetitive. I can listen to that type of argument and learn from it. You just want to insult it seems like. Kilroy posted:I think if you ponder this for a while you'll figure out why it's dumb, so I won't ruin the surprise. I believe in you! Now get to work. I think the last time we did this my most pointed insult was basically "hey if you know something is correct you can just start thinking it, you know" which you didn't take very well. Kilroy fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Oct 29, 2018 |
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Oct 29, 2018 01:11
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Kilroy posted:He's not sealioning He is absolutely doing it, replace "sealion" with "centrist" and it's practically word for word.
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hmmm I guess it is sealioning, although to his credit he cut it out once the jig was up - a true sealion would feign ignorance and carry on
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Kilroy posted:hmmm I guess it is sealioning, although to his credit he cut it out once the jig was up - a true sealion would feign ignorance and carry on I genuinely apologize for dismissing you and contributing to a bad discourse. I was not sealioning intentionally, and now that it has been obviously pointed out i will do my best to avoid it. I am being earnest when I say I don't understand the hivemind treatment. Does anyone that posts here regularly support merging the threads into something new to avoid the self siloing?
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I genuinely apologize for dismissing you and contributing to a bad discourse. I was not sealioning intentionally, and now that it has been obviously pointed out i will do my best to avoid it. Loam, you're alright, relax. It's just a dumb politics discussion subforum.
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Matt Zerella posted:Loam, you're alright, relax. It's just a dumb politics discussion subforum. Thanks, and thanks for pointing out what i was doing.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Does anyone that posts here regularly support merging the threads into something new to avoid the self siloing? Kilroy posted:Just merge them all together and make a reversal of fortune rule for reports IMO 
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To be fair to HY!L, he isn't wrong that the kind of posters people are complaining about aren't a majority in the Trump thread (they're probably no more than like 1/4 of the posters). But the more notable thing is that most of the dumb posts they make (unless it's totally beyond the pale, like wishing death on Greenwald) receive no backlash from any of the "regulars" other than the obviously-left posters. Like, people will whine about leftists and there's a sort of tacit agreement when no one contests those posts.Office Pig posted:You know it was extremely obvious there were going to be people celebrating Greenwald's imminent death in the Trump thread and yet it somehow hasn't diminished in how utterly revolting it is to actually see it. I've commented on this before, but liberal hatred towards Glenn Greenwald has always stood out as one of the clearest examples of liberals bandwagoning onto a ludicrous opinion in a way very reminiscent of the way right-wingers talk about the liberal figures they hate. It's almost always 100% based off of a distorted perception they've absorbed through circle-jerk conversations with other liberals (just like the way right-wingers think Nancy Pelosi is a communist or whatever, only with Greenwald it's this vague perception that he's some sort of techno-libertarian) and generally has either little/no basis in fact or involves dramatically exaggerating the man's actual flaws. Trabisnikof posted:I do like that this thread has a knife fight attitude but it is sadly predictable that only one side comes to fight. My feeling about this thread contrasted with the old USPol thread is that this thread was the thread where it was okay to make "meta" commentary (like for example complaining about another thread), since it's generally best to avoid that sort of posting in other threads. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Oct 29, 2018 |
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Terror Sweat posted:The lady was racist and is upset she's being called out for it? This is a common enough interpretation of the comic that the author actually published a blogpost addressing it. The short answer is that when you read this comic, think of the sealion like that guy who kramers in whenever somebody goes "god, white people" to go "#NOTALLWHITEPEOPLE!!!"
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Frightening Knight posted:This is a common enough interpretation of the comic that the author actually published a blogpost addressing it. The short answer is that when you read this comic, think of the sealion like that guy who kramers in whenever somebody goes "god, white people" to go "#NOTALLWHITEPEOPLE!!!" Yeah, but in that example, the ultimate problem is what they're saying, not the way they're saying it. If someone goes "god, what about all those Muslim terrorists" and someone slides in to go "#NOTALLMUSLIMS", then they would in fact be perfectly justified in doing so. Personally, I think the comic is bad and the blog post is quite a stretch to avoid saying "oops, sorry", but I'm sure there's a better place to discuss it in detail than here. Regardless, it's definitely a term with some baggage - and why bother with it when "fishmeching" describes basically the same thing but without the problematic origins?
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