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FilthyImp posted:Aw gently caress me the Senate reconciliation bill poo poo is gonna suck this time. Reconciliation is not going to be a big deal since the GOP lost the house. It'll be used for its more boring, traditional purpose: To break filibusters on the budget so the crazies dont shut down the government.
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Your Taint posted:That fucker would come down like the Berlin wall anyway. Election night 2020 people would rush to it with sledgehammers to take that fucker down. No, the Wall would be completed because theyve already budgeted the money for it. Then it would be turned over to a private corporation and staffed using prison labor
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Not a Step posted:No, the Wall would be completed because theyve already budgeted the money for it. Then it would be turned over to a private corporation and staffed using prison labor using prison labor for border control feels too stupid on every conceivable level even for modern American capitalism, so obviously i can't reject it out of hand
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Nov 13, 2018 06:12
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She's not in my district, but I hope she goes down with Mimi Walters. The faux outrage from conservatives on reddit claiming that the media was ignoring her win as first Korean-American congresswoman because she's *gasp* a Republican was annoying. No bitch, they weren't reporting her win because she hasn't won yet, and besides, news outlets were reporting on her potential first.
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FilthyImp posted:Aw gently caress me the Senate reconciliation bill poo poo is gonna suck this time. That's assuming they don't use it before the new people are seated I was honestly expecting them to, and I'm very surprised we haven't heard anything about it
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Nov 13, 2018 06:21
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theflyingorc posted:That's assuming they don't use it before the new people are seated Didn't they do some fuckery and already use up all the ones they had access to already? I thought that was part of why they didn't take another shot at repealing Obamacare, they needed that for the tax bill
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theflyingorc posted:That's assuming they don't use it before the new people are seated This was never a serious threat to consider. The timeline needed to pass a reconciliation just takes way too long.
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Lemming posted:Didn't they do some fuckery and already use up all the ones they had access to already? I thought that was part of why they didn't take another shot at repealing Obamacare, they needed that for the tax bill They used the second one really, really quick after the first one failed - they used one, let one expire. It really can't be expressed what a colossal self own the first reconciliation bill was. They could have easily done the tax cuts first and spent this whole year doing something else Rigel posted:This was never a serious threat to consider. The timeline needed to pass a reconciliation just takes way too long. I thought you could do it in a month or so. It's been available since October 1st.
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theflyingorc posted:That's assuming they don't use it before the new people are seated They don't get to. I was worried about that myself and looked it up. They bailed on passing a budget this year, which is the key. If you want to write a reconciliation bill, you have to provide instructions in the budget about what the bill should be about. No budget, no reconciliation instructions, no reconciliation bill.
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thefncrow posted:They don't get to. I was worried about that myself and looked it up. They bailed on passing a budget this year, which is the key. If you want to write a reconciliation bill, you have to provide instructions in the budget about what the bill should be about. No budget, no reconciliation instructions, no reconciliation bill. Their incompetence is staggering
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thefncrow posted:They don't get to. I was worried about that myself and looked it up. They bailed on passing a budget this year, which is the key. If you want to write a reconciliation bill, you have to provide instructions in the budget about what the bill should be about. No budget, no reconciliation instructions, no reconciliation bill. Yeah, thats why it would take too long. Its a two-step process with each step taking many weeks at a minimum. They didn't ever start, so they blew reconciliation.
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Jack2142 posted:Is it just me or does the name Young Kim invoke imagery of a lovely knock off of Lil' kim. No, it's just you
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This has probably been posted, but holy poo poo the Governor of Mississippi is trotting out abortion as "black genocide" in defense of Cyndi Hyde-Smith's "public hanging" comments. loving what? http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/news/2018/nov/12/governor-calls-abortion-black-genocide-defends-hyd/
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BonoMan posted:This has probably been posted, but holy poo poo the Governor of Mississippi is trotting out abortion as "black genocide" in defense of Cyndi Hyde-Smith's "public hanging" comments. God drat I wish there was a snowball's chance in hell of these gently caress's open klan poo poo the last couple days awakening a heretofore unforseen rage among MS Democrats and delivering the upset of the century in the runoff. What a loving day that would be.
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BonoMan posted:This has probably been posted, but holy poo poo the Governor of Mississippi is trotting out abortion as "black genocide" in defense of Cyndi Hyde-Smith's "public hanging" comments. It's a pretty old argument
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Your Taint posted:Scott Walker sucks and what he did to the UW system is criminal. 
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theflyingorc posted:It's a pretty old argument Yeah the article even points that out. I wasn't saying it was new just that... goddamn that's a helluva way to double down.
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Kafka Esq. posted:I am happy for California getting a democratic super majority. That is good. Same. Now maybe we can get things like free college.
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It took 40+ years but now you can finally have the things you had before Reagan hosed your state.
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BonoMan posted:This has probably been posted, but holy poo poo the Governor of Mississippi is trotting out abortion as "black genocide" in defense of Cyndi Hyde-Smith's "public hanging" comments. Then wouldn't these guys be in favor for legalized abortion as long as it was black and brown people? Racist "logic" makes no sense.
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Young Freud posted:Then wouldn't these guys be in favor for legalized abortion as long as it was black and brown people? Racist "logic" makes no sense. They don't actually care, they just want to prove that Liberals are the real racists and find new and more stupid ways to attack abortion.
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Mantis42 posted:It took 40+ years but now you can finally have the things you had before Reagan hosed your state. is there a cliff notes of this? Sounds like an good piece of evidence to add to my knowledge pool so I can more properly hate Reagan.
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Sanguinia posted:They don't actually care, they just want to prove that Liberals are the real racists and find new and more stupid ways to attack abortion. New? The Catholic School I went to was saying this stuff back in like 2000.
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PhazonLink posted:is there a cliff notes of this? Sounds like an good piece of evidence to add to my knowledge pool so I can more properly hate Reagan. California's public university system used to be tuition free. Reagan hated student protesters and slashed the state's education funding severely. Prop 13 did the rest.
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KillHour posted:So what are the results? Currently 91%/9%, as of 2:00 AM Eastern time. Also people who use that many hashtags in a single tweet should just be autobanned from Twitter. As should anyone who leads a tweet with "BREAKING:" edit: sorry, 91% no, 9% yes. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Nov 13, 2018 |
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RasperFat posted:It’s actually super frustrating how shaming is looked down upon in academia, where they should know better. The idea of using shame/public justice to police bad behavior and actively courting public vitriol against accused bad actors carries a ton of baggage in progressive/feminist/LGBTQI academic and activist circles because women, queer people, ethnic/racial/social minorities, and political “radicals” have experienced centuries of living under the thumb of oppression-by-mob. It comes down to a lot of the core issues of body-autonomy, right to privacy, and right to equal treatment before the law that are important to demographics who have historically faced victimization on those fronts. Public outing, social stigma, and mob “justice” have been a major avenue by which women and queer people have had their sex lives and identities and personal work/political/family/medical decisions policed and judged, often in the absence of real legal footing. And in the Jim Crow south, courts routinely covered for the actions of “vigilantes” and, in many cases, wink-and-nodded people into the hands of lynch mobs and klansmen who weren’t going to be held accountable to anybody. It also often goes hand in hand with arguments about things like hate crimes and why that label should exist in a legal sense and what things should/shouldn’t be punishable by law with regard to queer/feminist/etc issues. Also it’s this: quote="Ghost Leviathan" post="489791731"] Public shaming is a tactic with some uses in the right situation, but it's also an extremely common form of self-aggrandising bullying of any perceived weakness. It can backfire completely unless you have genuine moral high ground and authority. [/quote] One of the tenets of our judicial system is the idea of rule of law and reciprocity of crime vs punishment. You get convicted of something concrete and you serve your sentence and see to any legal consequences and that’s supposed to be it. Do the crime, do the corresponding time. It obviously doesn’t actually work that way in the real world but the point is that there shouldn’t be other, unforeseen or uncontrolled/uncontrollable consequences to account for from sources outside of the judicial system and actively courting that kind of a response from your community is a real recipe for trouble if you can’t guarantee order or peoples’ safety.
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Please don't link the works of maga chud and climate change denier scott adams unless ironically, thanks.
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QuoProQuid posted:https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1062189037673422850 Every week it's like watching Lincoln trying to find a general for the Army of the Potomac
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I don't know about y'all but I'm a little less  and a little more  at t_d and various other chuds psyching themselves up for RAHOWA after this election. You're basically getting a sneak peak at various minds talking themselves in to shooting up another synagogue, etc. It's not cool.
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Squibbles posted:Obviously he didn't want to cause a traffic disruption in DC either It'd be nice if they could focus on one lie and stick with it. After it was announced he cancelled it was because of the "hastily arranged motorcade" because apparently going to France to attend a ceremony means you won't have to go anywhere or something.
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SocketWrench posted:Every week it's like watching Lincoln trying to find a general for the Army of the Potomac Except worse, because at least Lincoln himself was competent.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:over the last two years mcconnell has not exactly gotten a shitload done because the filibuster exists and he is unable/unwilling to abolish it It's useful to both parties. If Reid had eliminated the filibuster for the ACA, he wouldn't have been able to use the excuse that Dorgan's drug-pricing amendments weren't filibuster-proof (some of them had 59 votes) and thus stricken from the final bill--even though more Republican senators voted for the amendments than Democrats and he was the head of the Dem caucus in the Senate. Additionally, he wouldn't have been able to use Lieberman as the rotating villain for denying Medicare at ages 55+ in the final bill, because there were about 56 votes for that, iirc. The public option, which Lieberman is mistakenly blamed for killing, was actually killed in sommittee, and never made it into the final Senate bill: quote:The Senate Finance Committee rejected Sen. Jay Rockefeller’s (D-W.Va.) amendment to tack a public option onto the committee’s healthcare bill. (Of course, we now know that Reid was simply carrying out the wishes of the administration, which had made secret deals to kill the public option prior to all the charades.)
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In response to the senators in that article saying they voted no because they didn't think the bill could get to 60, I decided to think about all the possibilities to retroactively justify the reasoning behind an amendment vote and a contradicting floor vote. Amendment No vote. Floor Yes vote.
Amendment Yes vote. Floor No vote.
Amendment Yes vote. Floor Yes vote. If it turns out the amendment was a bad thing, the legislator claims he or she voted yes because he or she didn't think the bill could pass without it. Sometimes the reality is that the difference is caused by floor votes being more visible and accessible to the public, as in only the floor votes show up in lists of how a member voted on compilation websites like Project VoteSmart. galenanorth fucked around with this message at 10:37 on Nov 13, 2018 |
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Flip Yr Wig posted:When you've got the right mindset, you'll always have gorilla jizz on hand.  Blue Footed Booby posted:Not gonna lie, my first thought was "surely pitbulls or something would be easier to acquire?"  Imagine if you will Ben Shapiro smothering under a mountain of cheap knock-off trump bears packed to the ceiling like tribbles... Cable Guy fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Nov 13, 2018 |
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