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Time for NSW Greens voters to find Jesus.
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hidys posted:Well he can rest assured that he completely hosed his Victorian colleagues and probably his federal colleagues as well. To be fair, Angus and Dominic didn't really help anything.
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Nov 26, 2018 14:42
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Whitlam posted:To be fair, Angus and Dominic didn't really help anything. Buckingham would have had to kill someone on camera to beat those two for negative publicity in Victoria. We are very capable of going "yeah but NSW is gently caress aye lol" which is why I struggled to remember what had actually happened. Dominic sent everyone packing though. Three friends went to ALP and VicSoc at the top from Greens just because of the vile taste. It helps having a popular premier that gels with left thinking voters as well, but Dominic really hosed the greens.
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Nov 26, 2018 14:48
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Also lol at Ratnam spending the following days blaming a Labor smear campaign for losing. Get candidates that don't rape people should probably be your takeaway rather than blaming other parties for playing dirty pool.
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Nov 26, 2018 14:49
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So fun story, when I went to vote in Footscray the Greens vol was talking about Angus. His take on it was "I would have thought anyone under the age of 40 was familiar with rap". I asked if he was defending the lyrics Angus and Sam had condemned, and pointed out that date rape and misogyny isn't a requirement for rap, noting that Hamilton managed to get pretty popular with the under 40 set without any of that. He said Hamilton was "gentrified rap" and that he didn't like Lin Manuel Miranda because of his support of Clinton.
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Nov 26, 2018 15:00
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Whitlam posted:So fun story, when I went to vote in Footscray the Greens vol was talking about Angus. His take on it was "I would have thought anyone under the age of 40 was familiar with rap". I asked if he was defending the lyrics Angus and Sam had condemned, and pointed out that date rape and misogyny isn't a requirement for rap, noting that Hamilton managed to get pretty popular with the under 40 set without any of that. He said Hamilton was "gentrified rap" and that he didn't like Lin Manuel Miranda because of his support of Clinton. this is a tremendous self-own mr whitlam
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Nov 26, 2018 15:26
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Jonah Galtberg posted:It would also open up decisions to possible avenues of appeal and generally make the process more publically visible. The general character cancellation power is not too badly administrated, there is a special unit for it and processes that have to be followed and it can be appealed to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. The problem is that towards the end of... either 2015 or 2016, I think 2016, Dutton gave himself massive new overreaching powers to cancel visas himself and overturn AAT decisions. His decisions can be challenged in court if they're incorrectly made according to law (e.g. if he didn't read all the documents involved before making a decision) but he can just remake the decision then according to law so it doesn't help. A real way to challenge those decisions would be amazing (if I were him I'd just get Coleman to do them while there's any doubt about his eligibility). The other really really lovely thing that got introduced is mandatory visa cancellation for people who have a prior substantial criminal record and then get sent to prison again for any length of time. They then have to sit in immigration detention while requesting their visa back or trying to appeal the decision to refuse to give it back. And to be clear we're often talking about people who have been living in Australia for decades, who may have grown up here, who have been disenfranchised under our systems and really should be our problem to deal with, especially as many have absolutely 0 support in their passport country. NZ is getting especially pissed off at us for kicking out so many of its citizens in such a lovely way when they don't do the same to ours.
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Nov 26, 2018 15:36
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Organza Quiz posted:The general character cancellation power is not too badly administrated, there is a special unit for it and processes that have to be followed and it can be appealed to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. The problem is that towards the end of... either 2015 or 2016, I think 2016, Dutton gave himself massive new overreaching powers to cancel visas himself and overturn AAT decisions. His decisions can be challenged in court if they're incorrectly made according to law (e.g. if he didn't read all the documents involved before making a decision) but he can just remake the decision then according to law so it doesn't help. A real way to challenge those decisions would be amazing (if I were him I'd just get Coleman to do them while there's any doubt about his eligibility). This goes back to my original point about Labor's position though, they had a golden opportunity to criticise the existence of the powers Dutton gave himself and chose not to (although I wouldn't be surprised if they voted with the Coalition to pass them, assuming they required a legislative change)
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Nov 26, 2018 15:40
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Jonah Galtberg posted:This goes back to my original point about Labor's position though, they had a golden opportunity to criticise the existence of the powers Dutton gave himself and chose not to (although I wouldn't be surprised if they voted with the Coalition to pass them, assuming they required a legislative change) Oh yeah absolutely, I wasn't really arguing with you so much as quoting to continue the discussion and explaining more of how it works. Labor are absolutely useless on the issue because beating their chests about foreign criminals plays really well. I just checked and actually it was the end of 2014 and it looks like Dutton only became minister around the same time so it must have been Morrison who introduced it. Time flies...
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Nov 26, 2018 15:52
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Organza Quiz posted:The general character cancellation power is not too badly administrated, there is a special unit for it and processes that have to be followed and it can be appealed to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. The problem is that towards the end of... either 2015 or 2016, I think 2016, Dutton gave himself massive new overreaching powers to cancel visas himself and overturn AAT decisions. His decisions can be challenged in court if they're incorrectly made according to law (e.g. if he didn't read all the documents involved before making a decision) but he can just remake the decision then according to law so it doesn't help. A real way to challenge those decisions would be amazing (if I were him I'd just get Coleman to do them while there's any doubt about his eligibility). It has already killed one person that I know of - Australia deported a known mentally ill drug addict to the UK (his birth country) despite him moving to Australia as a child. He overdosed two days after arrival.
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Nov 26, 2018 16:23
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thatbastardken posted:at this stage it really doesn't matter what he did, it's his behavior towards the complainant and her supporters that has put people offside. mostly having been a vocal critic of defamation laws up until he had someone to sue for defamation. at which point he decided he quite liked them. his supporters have been doing the white male entitlement dance, calling and threatening women working in the offices of parliamentarians perceived as opposing him. It speaks to the immaturity of their organisation that he can stand there and continue to damage the party; the majors have very quick processes to remove similar issues for them, and frankly it should have been nipped in the bud at branch level like a normal party. That it's not even in their culture to have a baseline for this is incredible.
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Nov 26, 2018 16:23
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Jonah Galtberg posted:this is a tremendous self-own mr whitlam That's like replying to someone saying GG Allen is just typical of the vulgarity of his genre and being like "oh, ever heard of the smash hit School of Rock starring Jack Black?", you're both embarrassing
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Nov 26, 2018 16:31
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Whitlam posted:So fun story, when I went to vote in Footscray the Greens vol was talking about Angus. His take on it was "I would have thought anyone under the age of 40 was familiar with rap". I asked if he was defending the lyrics Angus and Sam had condemned, and pointed out that date rape and misogyny isn't a requirement for rap, noting that Hamilton managed to get pretty popular with the under 40 set without any of that. He said Hamilton was "gentrified rap" and that he didn't like Lin Manuel Miranda because of his support of Clinton. You couldn't think of any non-misogynistic 'rap' other than Hamilton? Did you want to lose this argument?
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Nov 26, 2018 17:52
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Should have gone with Weird Al for that argument Whitlam
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Nov 26, 2018 20:03
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Also if some poo poo eating green told me some white dude's rap was the opposite of gentrified at a polling booth I'd have spit my fair trade fifty degree latte into their eyes.
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Nov 26, 2018 20:06
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Whitlam posted:So fun story, when I went to vote in Footscray the Greens vol was talking about Angus. His take on it was "I would have thought anyone under the age of 40 was familiar with rap". I asked if he was defending the lyrics Angus and Sam had condemned, and pointed out that date rape and misogyny isn't a requirement for rap, noting that Hamilton managed to get pretty popular with the under 40 set without any of that. He said Hamilton was "gentrified rap" and that he didn't like Lin Manuel Miranda because of his support of Clinton. 
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Nov 26, 2018 20:34
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Whitlam posted:So fun story, when I went to vote in Footscray the Greens vol was talking about Angus. His take on it was "I would have thought anyone under the age of 40 was familiar with rap". I asked if he was defending the lyrics Angus and Sam had condemned, and pointed out that date rape and misogyny isn't a requirement for rap, noting that Hamilton managed to get pretty popular with the under 40 set without any of that. He said Hamilton was "gentrified rap" and that he didn't like Lin Manuel Miranda because of his support of Clinton. very painful to read most modern popular rappers don't have lyrics about date raping women though misogyny is admittedly a bigger fish to fry and harder to disentangle from the genre (yea, women are treated as trophies and status objects in hip hop, but actually rapping about giving women rohypnol is an entirely different kettle of awful) your response about rap the ~youth~ could enjoy was a musical that mostly only rich folk can go see that while popular is always going to have an element of self-aware dorkiness to it because its a history lesson my conclusion is that you are in fact a goon
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Nov 26, 2018 21:42
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Less than 6 months ago Brockhampton kicks out Ameer for being emotionally manipulative and abusive to women and you used Hamilton as an example? lol
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Nov 26, 2018 21:43
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG_rEqCivn4
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Nov 26, 2018 21:52
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An actual good policy that is being well communicated? Holy poo poo
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Nov 26, 2018 21:54
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Labor could still beat their chests about deporting criminals and also not be such dickheads about it “The uncertainty caused by the member for dickheads eligibility is a great example of why this power shouldn’t be in a single persons hands. There needs to be a proper process because quite frankly we don’t trust Peter Duttons competence or willingness to use this power in the interests of Australia rather than his own petty fear mongering and points scoring” or something along those lines. People hate dutton, use him as the example for why this shouldn’t be a ministerial power.
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Nov 26, 2018 22:01
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Also worth noting re the whole NSW Greens shitshow: A 75%+1 supermajority of local groups/branches is required to do literally anything that's not a straight up preselection/election. Hell, if one group wants to block that 75%+1 supermajority is required just to talk about or even vote on anything. A few stacked regional branches with 20 members can completely shut down any and all discussion on any issue even if the entire rest of the party wants something done. The reason for this is because we assumed everyone would be reasonable and have the best interests of the Greens in mind and we wouldn't ever have factions since everyone could just get along in our wonderful fantasyland 
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Nov 26, 2018 22:09
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:An actual good policy that is being well communicated? Holy poo poo This reminds me of the east west link bullshit the libs pulled down here where they wrote a hand grenade payment into the contract in case labor pulled it. Hopefully NSW won’t do the same?
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Nov 26, 2018 22:23
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Aesculus posted:Also worth noting re the whole NSW Greens shitshow: lol
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Nov 26, 2018 22:24
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Aesculus posted:Also worth noting re the whole NSW Greens shitshow: This is an example of a competent political organisation.
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Nov 26, 2018 22:28
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teacup posted:This reminds me of the east west link bullshit the libs pulled down here where they wrote a hand grenade payment into the contract in case labor pulled it. Didn’t seem to hurt Dandrews
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Nov 26, 2018 22:36
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If you throw down the gauntlet hard enough the only people that will complain will be LNP die hards while everyone else gets angry at the LNP for doing poo poo right before an election as a trap.
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Nov 26, 2018 22:40
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I’m a Greens member (for now) but not deeply involved, partly because I live overseas. What are the ‘right factions’ within the Greens; their policies and personality? Are we talking about ‘tree tories’ or a different variety of tumour?
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Nov 26, 2018 22:44
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I wonder how many traps the federal LNP have set
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Nov 26, 2018 22:45
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Anidav posted:I wonder how many traps the federal LNP have set
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Nov 26, 2018 22:46
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JBP posted:I went to Adelaide to visit a friend recently and I always liked the wine region and stuff, but I was also stunned that Adelaide City is actually good and has some really nice bars that amusingly lean into Adelaide seeming like the knitting capital of the world. Adelaide is genuinely an awesome place to live once you know all the good places to go.
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Nov 26, 2018 22:47
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Senor Tron posted:Adelaide is genuinely an awesome place to live once you know all the good places to go.
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Nov 26, 2018 22:52
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Or the valley of rabid dogs
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Nov 26, 2018 22:56
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Anidav posted:I wonder how many traps the federal LNP have set We’re still eating poo poo from the last time these pricks were in government. Howard and Costello’s shenanigans set everyone after them up to fail. A really good piece in The Monthly from a few years back: https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2015/july/1435672800/richard-denniss/clowns-and-treasurers
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Nov 26, 2018 22:57
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Gonna start following NSW politics more in the lead up to the state election. So not paying to rebuild the stadiums is popular? I would have thought anything related to sports ball would be a winner?
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Nov 26, 2018 23:00
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So the liberal member for corangamite was just on Faine. Her brutal, planned argument was "if the ALP are all for women why are they trying to defeat me" while Faine laughs at her and tries to inform her that her opponent is a woman.
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Nov 26, 2018 23:01
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Oh hey Malcolm Turnbull and Christian Porter were working on a federal icac proposal before Mal was turfed and its been buried. Cool timing on that spill.
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Nov 26, 2018 23:03
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JBP posted:So the liberal member for corangamite was just on Faine. Her brutal, planned argument was "if the ALP are all for women why are they trying to defeat me" while Faine laughs at her and tries to inform her that her opponent is a woman. Yeah I just listened to that. Amazing.
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Nov 26, 2018 23:03
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JBP posted:So the liberal member for corangamite was just on Faine. Her brutal, planned argument was "if the ALP are all for women why are they trying to defeat me" while Faine laughs at her and tries to inform her that her opponent is a woman. Hahahahahahahaha amazing.
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Nov 26, 2018 23:05
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hambeet posted:Gonna start following NSW politics more in the lead up to the state election. its more that theyre spending a ton of money on stadiums instead of schools, hospitals, & public transport
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