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also skex, buddy shorten your posts. If you find yourself writing that much, it's an EXTREMELY GOOD SIGN that you're not doing a good job expressing yourself, your poo poo is unreadable. Also when you write that many words it's inevitable some part of it will be misunderstood (in part because you're clearly demonstrating a lack of clear understanding yourself)
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Charlz Guybon posted:If the Russians invade the Baltics, Poland will immediately intervene and that would eventualy cause Germany to be sucked in. Poland doesn't have good enough of an army to beat Russia If russian tanks start crossing the polish border then yeah 100% Germany will intervene unilaterally even if rest of NATO doesn't, but is Merkel gonna go to war over dead Polish soldiers in Estonia if the whole thing is over in like 4 weeks? And then Putin says Estonia is now part of Russia and he's gonna defend it just like he defends Moscow (aka threatening to use nukes if he loses) idk of Merkel is gonna risk berlin getting nuked over a few thousand dead Poles in Estonia
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enraged_camel posted:lol, demand for instagram is definitely peaking as people are scrambling to figure out a way to watch AOC streams i swear to kali amazon's been pushing instant pots on me since her macaroni stream and i didn't even watch it or click on a link to it
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GreyjoyBastard posted:i swear to kali amazon's been pushing instant pots on me since her macaroni stream and i didn't even watch it or click on a link to it Do you use adblockers?
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If I were to hazard the most charitable scenario possible: Schumer's tact here is that playing softball and holding to the old agreement is to stop Mitch from killing the Fillibuster and going for the full-blown ram-through of the $5 Billion using the lame duck House. The Wall won't pass if it needs 60, but it almost definitely will with 50 plus VP. Turtle knows that the next 9 months or so are going to determine if Trump is completely Teflon and they just have to take their chances on him in 2020 or if the party will need to turn on him like Nixon to survive. If put into a corner by a hardball negotiating stance, Mitch could very well be willing to toss those dice now. But with political cover to the turn of 1.6 billion which he can claim on Sunday Shows is fulfilling Trump's promise but in the future can be spun as the party never believing in the stupid wall, Turtle has protection for the GOP as an institution on both ends, thus he has all the incentive in the world to put off the Doomsday Button until after the Dems have the House. Now, of course it's far more likely that Schumer is just a Third War wastoid who thinks he can win CENTRISTS and NEVER TRUMP REPUBLICANS to the Dem Umbrella by continuing to pay lip service to the dog whistle. But I wouldn't totally rule out the former scenario.
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Typo posted:Poland doesn't have good enough of an army to beat Russia Not to be a dick, but I kind of doubt any of that would happen. If Putin tried the "It's ours now, we'll nuke you if you try to take back the territory we unlawfully invaded." trick he'd basically be starting a second cold war. Pretty much all of Russia's neighbors and rivals would conspire to gently caress them economically and maybe even militarily in that scenario. Barring the US at the moment, that is. China in particular would probably lose it's poo poo barring some sort of backroom deal. Since they're the other big global competitor that'd possibly stand to lose something from a militarily expansionist Russia basically saying "gently caress the rules. It's time to risk starting WW3.". Keep in mind that Obama's administration supposedly caused Putin and the oligarchs that run Russia to lose their poo poo just by economically sanctioning them for a few years. That sort of situation could very well end up cratering their economy again. Especially once we don't have what's effectively a manchurian candidate dedicated to loving over the populace in office.
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Typo posted:Poland doesn't have good enough of an army to beat Russia Just no. If an EU country is occupied, even the smallest one, then every EU country is committing troops. It would absolutely be an existential issue for the EU
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Sanguinia posted:If I were to hazard the most charitable scenario possible: Schumer's tact here is that playing softball and holding to the old agreement is to stop Mitch from killing the Fillibuster and going for the full-blown ram-through of the $5 Billion using the lame duck House. The Wall won't pass if it needs 60, but it almost definitely will with 50 plus VP. Turtle knows that the next 9 months or so are going to determine if Trump is completely Teflon and they just have to take their chances on him in 2020 or if the party will need to turn on him like Nixon to survive. If put into a corner by a hardball negotiating stance, Mitch could very well be willing to toss those dice now. But with political cover to the turn of 1.6 billion which he can claim on Sunday Shows is fulfilling Trump's promise but in the future can be spun as the party never believing in the stupid wall, Turtle has protection for the GOP as an institution on both ends, thus he has all the incentive in the world to put off the Doomsday Button until after the Dems have the House. Turtle will pull that football back wherever it suits him. Then act like the skies falling when the tables turn.
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Lightning Knight posted:The fact that it was close at all implies there’s a non-trivial constituency in Mississippi for SOME kind of improvement and maybe if we actually tried we could organize some kind of movement there. The deep south is lost for two generations. Come to think of it, that sounds like something I might have said with equal conviction during the Civil Rights Movement, or for that matter just after the Civil War, so I'll amend that to "the deep south is lost". We should have never admitted the fuckers back into the union as ordinary states.
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Nov 28, 2018 09:12
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Strange Poon posted:i burned all my social media accounts awhile ago but i keep telling myself to pick up Instagram just so I can watch her streams. Strange Poon posted:i burned all my social media accounts awhile ago but i keep telling myself to pick up Instagram just so I can watch her streams. I'd recommend against it. AOC could have a great political future ahead of her and she's doing fantastic so far, but the social media stuff is just for the rubes and the cult of personality aficionados. If you already get why her politics and philosophy are great than watching her make mac and cheese live isn't that worthwhile. It's great for getting others on board who are less politically inclined and it's a fantastic tactic and I'm glad she's doing it, but it's just a glorified political rally.
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:The deep south is lost for two generations. Come to think of it, that sounds like something I might have said with equal conviction during the Civil Rights Movement, or for that matter just after the Civil War, so I'll amend that to "the deep south is lost". We should have never admitted the fuckers back into the union as ordinary states. People keep claiming there's hope in Georgia, but I'm pretty skeptical.
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Sanguinia posted:If I were to hazard the most charitable scenario possible: Schumer's tact here is that playing softball and holding to the old agreement is to stop Mitch from killing the Fillibuster and going for the full-blown ram-through of the $5 Billion using the lame duck House. The Wall won't pass if it needs 60, but it almost definitely will with 50 plus VP. Turtle knows that the next 9 months or so are going to determine if Trump is completely Teflon and they just have to take their chances on him in 2020 or if the party will need to turn on him like Nixon to survive. If put into a corner by a hardball negotiating stance, Mitch could very well be willing to toss those dice now. But with political cover to the turn of 1.6 billion which he can claim on Sunday Shows is fulfilling Trump's promise but in the future can be spun as the party never believing in the stupid wall, Turtle has protection for the GOP as an institution on both ends, thus he has all the incentive in the world to put off the Doomsday Button until after the Dems have the House. That's not to say, by the way, that he's tying the GOP closer to Trump so they "inevitably" go down with him. Trump may very well not go down. But if he doesn't go down, then the $5 billion doesn't matter anyway, and if he does go down, then every effort must be made to ensure the GOP goes down with him, in the "no longer a national party" sense, and $5 billion is cheap to get even 1% closer to that goal. And I don't put much stock in arguments that funding the wall, even if it's just the GOP doing it in the lame duck on a party-line vote (+Manchin, probably, the poo poo), makes America look like we're full of racist assholes. That ship has sailed.
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Nov 28, 2018 09:25
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:If Schumer had any sense, which of course he does not, but if he did he'd force McConnell to eliminate the filibuster now since the Democrats will need to do that in 2020 anyway, and take the hit on $5 billion for the wall in exchange for tying the GOP even closer to Trump. (Well, encourage him to eliminate it - this doesn't really force him either way.) We gain nothing at all by Republicans ending the filibuster They're also not going to end it when Democrats control the house?
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I am honestly not sure that democrats will have the votes to nuke the filibuster if they DO take back the senate, it only takes a couple senators way too obsessed with senate norms. In that sense, it's useful to have the republicans nuke the fillibuster if you need it nuked but can't muster the votes to do it yourself. The problem is, I'm pretty schumer is one of those people who wouldn't vote to nuke the filibuster so there's no way he'd ever aim for it.
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^^^ yeah it's this, hence why I prefaced my post with "if Schumer had any sense" as I'm clearly dealing in counterfactuals heretheflyingorc posted:We gain nothing at all by Republicans ending the filibuster  hemming and hawing that will happen when / if the Democrats go to end it in 2020, assuming they control the Senate then, and assuming they want to get anything done, and assuming they have any balls. Which is assuming a lot, I grant.But it's something that has to be done and frankly should be done i.e. eliminating the filibuster is the right thing to do on the basic merits as it's really undemocratic. And if the Democrats want to do anything to avoid the catastrophe of 30% of the country electing 70 Senators by, let's say, patching up the VRA or admitting a few more states to the union, or whatever, they have to eliminate the filibuster. Anything else is just giving up the Senate basically for good after 2030. I mean, you know, barring more outlandish stuff which renders it moot, like abolishing the Senate or a balkanization of the US or whatever, which I also wholeheartedly support.
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axeil posted:It's a bit more complex than that. The German military thought (rightly) if there was going to be a war it had better be sooner rather than later because if the Russian military got much stronger they'd have no chance to win. The only moral action for Germany was to allow Russia to defend Serbia from the belligerent Austria-Hungary.
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reignonyourparade posted:I am honestly not sure that democrats will have the votes to nuke the filibuster if they DO take back the senate, it only takes a couple senators way too obsessed with senate norms. In that sense, it's useful to have the republicans nuke the fillibuster if you need it nuked but can't muster the votes to do it yourself. The problem is, I'm pretty schumer is one of those people who wouldn't vote to nuke the filibuster so there's no way he'd ever aim for it. i mentioned it a bit ago but i'm not actually certain mcconnell has the votes to kill the filibuster all it takes (right now) is two tea party nutters clinging to their ability to keep anything distressingly non-evil from being passed, and he done got a real serious problem such as, for example, Mike Lee and Bag O'Wasps
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Charlz Guybon posted:If the Russians invade the Baltics, Poland will immediately intervene and that would eventualy cause Germany to be sucked in. Yeah but what would Poland alone be able to do against Russia?
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BabyFur Denny posted:Yeah but what would Poland alone be able to do against Russia? Outborscht the suckers!
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Skex posted:No I didn't conflate the two I very specifically said that even if we were to adopt an open border policy that securing the border so that we know who and what is coming and going is still a valid concern. but skex, i have not strawmanned your position once. i literally said Condiv posted:skex has made it quite clear he's against the concept and you are. you have various excuses for why you're against the concept of open borders, but the fact remains that you are. sorry that i'm not giving you credit for being pro-open borders when every time you post on the subject you argue against it
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Sanguinia posted:If I were to hazard the most charitable scenario possible: Schumer's tact here is that playing softball and holding to the old agreement is to stop Mitch from killing the Fillibuster and going for the full-blown ram-through of the $5 Billion using the lame duck House. The Wall won't pass if it needs 60, but it almost definitely will with 50 plus VP. Turtle knows that the next 9 months or so are going to determine if Trump is completely Teflon and they just have to take their chances on him in 2020 or if the party will need to turn on him like Nixon to survive. If put into a corner by a hardball negotiating stance, Mitch could very well be willing to toss those dice now. But with political cover to the turn of 1.6 billion which he can claim on Sunday Shows is fulfilling Trump's promise but in the future can be spun as the party never believing in the stupid wall, Turtle has protection for the GOP as an institution on both ends, thus he has all the incentive in the world to put off the Doomsday Button until after the Dems have the House. the former scenario still makes him a third way wastoid, cause it won't work. playing nice with republicans has never resulted in the republicans reciprocating. if turtle man wants the wall funding enough to tear down the filibuster to get it, he'll do just that regardless of what schumer does. i think this is quite obvious considering every other time we've tried playing nice with republicans just for them to kick poo poo into our faces
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https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1067613708233441282 thank you for defending bankers and their portfolios obama 
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1067613708233441282 Obama’s almost owning up to his capitulation to the banks here, and it kind of makes it sadder. “C’mon guys, I not only kept ALL of you out of jail (and safe from rightfully angry mobs), I also helped make you all even more obscenely wealthy. And you still have to be greedier and keep grinding regular Americans into dust for profit?” And the scorpions responded: “You knew what we were from the beginning.”
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I mean there is a valid point in there that whatever money you might have saved from a Republican tax cut is going to be way offset by them cratering the economy so you'd be better off financially with the Democrats in control even if it means paying higher taxes. The way it's phrased in that quote doesn't come across so great though.
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https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1067719797847310337 Congrats to Republicans for their big win in the swing state of Mississippi. The seat is up for the full six years in 2020, Hyde-Smith is still a weak candidate, Espy is a blue dog, and the grapes were sour anyway. Sanguinia posted:Nobody who knows poo poo seems to think there's any hope in Montana They have 2 D governors there who have a shot. The current one already beat Gianforte in 2016. mcmagic posted:Which Dem is messaging immigration correctly? https://twitter.com/carterforva/status/1067350365518135296 By the way, why isn't he verified? Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Nov 28, 2018 |
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Ague Proof posted:By the way, why isn't he verified? Not a nazi.
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Going by the percentages I reckon it breaks down roughly like this: white Mississippians voted for white supremacy, everybody else voted for not-white-supremacy. The only kind of movement you can organize there with any hope of tangible improvement is the one where you move virtually all the white people into Things are looking pretty hopeful in Texas. Beto may have lost, but a lot of Democrats got elected at the state level in the midterm (including a few out and proud socialists!) and statistics indicate that things are going to get bluer as time goes on. Or does Texas not count as part of the deep south? I know I and basically every other Texan I've ever met doesn't really think of Texas as "The South" (Texas is just Texas), but I've never been clear on what the prevailing outside opinion on that is. Finally, someone who speaks the truth. Bulbasaur Rules.
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Going by the percentages I reckon it breaks down roughly like this: white Mississippians voted for white supremacy, everybody else voted for not-white-supremacy. The only kind of movement you can organize there with any hope of tangible improvement is the one where you move virtually all the white people into South Carolina elected a second House representative this past cycle, flipping Mark Sanford's old district. The Democrat ran on an anti-drilling campaign because offshore drilling is such a threat to the local economy.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Things are looking pretty hopeful in Texas. Beto may have lost, but a lot of Democrats got elected at the state level in the midterm (including a few out and proud socialists!) and statistics indicate that things are going to get bluer as time goes on. Texas is so large it doesn't fit into one group. East Texas is "the south", north Texas has some Midwest vibes, west Texas is what most people think Texas looks like, the panhandle is a god forsaken wasteland of terrible people. In downtown Houston some of our crosswalks are painted rainbow colored LBGT pride symbols put there by the city Blitz of 404 Error fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Nov 28, 2018 |
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Things are looking pretty hopeful in Texas. Beto may have lost, but a lot of Democrats got elected at the state level in the midterm (including a few out and proud socialists!) and statistics indicate that things are going to get bluer as time goes on. As an “east coast liberal”, you can divvy up the South into the Southeast (Georgia, Carolinas, Virginia, Maryland sometimes), Florida as its own thing, Texas as its own thing, and the rest is the Deep South. Hieronymous Alloy posted:South Carolina elected a second House representative this past cycle, flipping Mark Sanford's old district. The Democrat ran on an anti-drilling campaign because offshore drilling is such a threat to the local economy. As a cherry on top, half of his district just banned single-use plastic bags. There’s opportunities for democrats to win in the south, they just have find gaps in the Republican culture war that they’re able to hammer on. Triskelli fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Nov 28, 2018 |
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pokie posted:How does the trap work? https://twitter.com/LynnComella/status/1067610299350474752
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Blitz7x posted:Texas is so large it doesn't fit into one group. East Texas is "the south", north Texas has some Midwest vibes, west Texas is what most people think Texas looks like, the panhandle is a god forsaken wasteland of terrible people. In downtown Houston some of our crosswalks are painted rainbow colored LBGT pride symbols put there by the city Can confirm, the TX panhandle should be used for nuclear weapons testing, it would end up a much more pleasant place to visit, even at 5000 rems per square mile. 
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Now compare with Kamala Harris and her response:  She's spoken publicly against it and the need to stop it. She's not as twitter woke as other Senators, but just because you haven't seen her remarks doesn't mean she's not making them. RaySmuckles posted:i'm talking about skex constantly So stop. 1glitch0 posted:
lol, wow that loving Feinstein exchange. "I'll send a letter the president. I can do that." NO MOTHER FUCKER I CAN DO THAT. YOU'RE A SENATOR OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. DO SOMETHING. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Nov 28, 2018 |
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God I hope some indictments drop today. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1067775022331236352
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The stupidest president in the entire history of the United States of America primarily based his decision on who should lead the Federal Reserve on.... ..... height. https://twitter.com/SaraEisen/status/1067757672949256192
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Some pretty brazen retweets by Donnie today including a: 'RT if you agree: If you weren't born in the United States, you should receive $0 assistance.' So we're against the legal immigrants now too?
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Your Taint posted:God I hope some indictments drop today. There is no way he wrote this tweet. "Intimating" is way outside his vocab
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That Boris Epshtyn Guy is 36 years old?! Christ he looks like he’s about to hit 55. It’s great to see that being a soul-sucking ghoul of a person ages you a full decade or so.
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Ringo Star Get posted:That Boris Epshtyn Guy is 36 years old?! Christ he looks like he’s about to hit 55. It’s great to see that being a soul-sucking ghoul of a person ages you a full decade or so. That is actually a phenomenon that has been remarked on before about conservatives prematurely aging. See also Stephen Miller.
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